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I think it was EF who talked about this topic a few weeks ago.

Davidson has already spoken to teams about acting as a pass through for a possible Kane trade, so the ground work for retention has already been laid.
These moves are very complicated. So many teams are pressed up against the cap. The Rangers were a relatively healthy team last season. They didn’t have many injuries.

Other teams have more flexibility than the Rangers.

Double retention. Tampa did it twice. Rangers could even get another D. All teams have deficiencies. The AVs were not a perfect team. They had some of the worst goaltending to win the cup and Jack Johnson taking a regular shift on D in the final. They could shoot the lights out though. The Lightning won in 2020 with Bogosian, Luke Schenn, Shattenkirk and Coburn taking regular turns on D. They also had one of the best Dmen in the world and the best goalie in the world. They could also score a ton. (They were also incredibly well coached but that's a story for another day).

Rangers can rely on 5 D when they have the best goaltender in the world and one of the best Dmen in the world as well. The Rangers can have 6,7,8 D and they still won't win if they can't play 5v5.
Just because TB did it doesn't mean the Rangers can do it. Kane is making the Rangers a better 5 on 5 team? All by himself?
 
It doesn't matter what brooks thinks, Kravtsov is making the opening night roster. Further to that, Gauthier has done exactly what he has done his whole time here, created dead end scoring chances by not using his linemates.

Huh? Blais is gretzky compared to Gauthier.
Not as a Ranger & certainly not at almost double the price at this stage . It might happen....but that is a big might . Gauthier takes two defensemen and the goalie out on average about once a game in limited minutes....and he sadly doesn't score but what is also sad is that there are no others putting the rebounds in the net . He gets chances in small minutes....if he was not getting them it would be a different story .
 
These moves are very complicated. So many teams are pressed up against the cap. The Rangers were a relatively healthy team last season. They didn’t have many injuries.

Other teams have more flexibility than the Rangers.


Just because TB did it doesn't mean the Rangers can do it. Kane is making the Rangers a better 5 on 5 team? All by himself?
I see no reason why Rangers can't do double retention, they have what they would need to do it and as been said here that was reported by Elliott that that is how its gonna go down. He wouldn't make them better all by himself but let's be real he certainly wouldn't NOT help them in that regard.

Also, the teams that have more flexibility against the cap are 90% bottom feeders, teams that wouldn't be in the running, the AVs and Dallas who's money still needs to go toward Jason Robertson. No team is going to be able to fit him without double retention anyway.
 
I see no reason why Rangers can't do double retention, they have what they would need to do it and as been said here that was reported by Elliott that that is how its gonna go down. He wouldn't make them better all by himself but let's be real he certainly wouldn't NOT help them in that regard.

Also, the teams that have more flexibility against the cap are 90% bottom feeders, teams that wouldn't be in the running, the AVs and Dallas who's money still needs to go toward Jason Robertson. No team is going to be able to fit him without double retention anyway.
It all comes down to cost and chemistry. We won't have any real idea what cost NYR should be willing to pay for Kane, with double retention mind you, and what he brings both good and bad, until we are a few months in, if not the TDL itself. I cant imagine it not being a VERY expensive rental, who knows if it would really be worth it before the season even starts?
 
It all comes down to cost and chemistry. We won't have any real idea what cost NYR should be willing to pay for Kane, with double retention mind you, and what he brings both good and bad, until we are a few months in, if not the TDL itself. I cant imagine it not being a VERY expensive rental, who knows if it would really be worth it before the season even starts?
Well of course this is all based on what we see in front of us right now. Things change or don't change between now and Feb that's just how seasons go. As far as cost, I don't see it being as expensive as people think. Giroux deal + the cost for Arizona to hold onto just over 2 mill of cap space and roughly a couple hundred thousand of real dollars for a month and a half.
 
Well of course this is all based on what we see in front of us right now. Things change or don't change between now and Feb that's just how seasons go. As far as cost, I don't see it being as expensive as people think. Giroux deal + the cost for Arizona to hold onto just over 2 mill of cap space and roughly a couple hundred thousand of real dollars for a month and a half.
I'll grant you its hard to say what the cost will be but Giroux is not a good comparable IMO.
Giroux's last three years: 65pts in 75 games (he was at 42 in 57 when he was traded), 43 in 54 and 53 in 69.
Kane's last three years: 92 in 78, 66 in 56, 84 in 70.
It's not close to the same.
Hey if we have the need and can get him cheap, that would be great, but it's going to be need vs cost. I'm not willing to go out on a limb and say "we need him." There's a lot of hockey to be played before we know.
 
I'll grant you its hard to say what the cost will be but Giroux is not a good comparable IMO.
Giroux's last three years: 65pts in 75 games (he was at 42 in 57 when he was traded), 43 in 54 and 53 in 69.
Kane's last three years: 92 in 78, 66 in 56, 84 in 70.
It's not close to the same.
Hey if we have the need and can get him cheap, that would be great, but it's going to be need vs cost. I'm not willing to go out on a limb and say "we need him." There's a lot of hockey to be played before we know.
The comparable isn't in the points, it it in the NMC, his UFA status and extremely small amount of suitors that will be actually able to trade for him. Those are all factors that severely lower a trade value in any case. Kane picks his destination.
 
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The comparable isn't in the points, it it in the NMC, his UFA status and extremely small amount of suitors that will be actually able to trade for him. Those are all factors that severely lower a trade value in any case. Kane picks his destination.
Well, I'd say the cost for the player is in fact VERY much tied to how well he has been playing. So a player A with okay stats and B with great stats, all else being equal, are not going to have a comparable cost.
But here's hoping YOU are right and I am very wrong.
 
I like this. That 4th line looks great. Give Vesey a short leash and swap with KK or Laf when needed.


Reavo used sparingly and Carpenter to guam.

Stop it.

We should let those who shall not be named continue to overreact and freak out about who is potentially making this roster, ready at a moment’s notice to chop off Galant and Drury’s heads.
 
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Stop it.

We should let those who shall not be named continue to overreact and freak out about who is potentially making this roster, ready at a moment’s notice to chop off Galant and Drury’s heads.
I for one, as I said earlier, ain't blaming the staff or management anymore. But I reserve the right to react. Overage is TBD.
 
Well, I'd say the cost for the player is in fact VERY much tied to how well he has been playing. So a player A with okay stats and B with great stats, all else being equal, are not going to have a comparable cost.
But here's hoping YOU are right and I am very wrong.
Its part of it, but trade clauses really rule the day in these situations. That’s the precedent that has been around this league for years now.
 
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You guys are going to think I'm crazy, and maybe I am, but I wouldn't mind trying Gauthier in a top 6 RW slot over Blais or Kravstov. With Gauthier's size and speed, he could be a great puck retriever. You wouldn't even need him to be a "finisher" or elite passer with that amount of offensive talent surrounding him.

Idk... random thought. Feel free to disagree - it's a bit out there. But I really don't like either RW guy in our top 6 as of right now (especially Krav who hasn't really shown much in my opinion).

Blais is a bit more proven, sure, but I think of him as a third liner on a good team. I don't mind leaving him on the top line as much as Krav.
 
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I know a lot of the talk has been about Kane as a potential deadline deal, but when you look at the defensive depth on this team, then perhaps that's a better spot to focus on.

Over the past two seasons the Rangers have used 11 defensemen in each of the regular seasons (including the 56 game 2020-21 season). Granted, Braun was the 11th guy last year, and DeAngelo was one of 11 the prior year...but with that said, the current depth on defense is as follows (or thereabouts):

6. Jones
7. Hajek
8. Tinordi
9. Welinski
10. Roberston
11. Skinner
12. Scanlin
13. Emberson

They could offer Bartkowski a contract (he' probably slot in at somewhere between 8-9) or they could use up some precious cap space on a waiver claim, but certainly when the injuries come, the Rangers are going to be shorthanded on the back end.

While it's possible that Jones knocks it out of the park, or Hajek finds some form. by the trade deadline, I would say at this point that the defense might be a bigger need than using most or all the available cap space to add Kane (as well as probably sending probably Kakko - because of his Cap hit, the other way). Now it's not out of the realm of possibility that they figure out a cheap veteran 6th guy as part of it, but as it stands right now...I think that's the area that has the least depth.
 
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Absolutely. But the kids, kinda, sorta, stink. Until they don't. Hope it's soon.


Bunting is pretty good though
Bunting couldn’t make the Arizona coyotes roster… they cut him.
I know a lot of the talk has been about Kane as a potential deadline deal, but when you look at the defensive depth on this team, then perhaps that's a better spot to focus on.

Over the past two seasons the Rangers have used 11 defensemen in each of the regular seasons (including the 56 game 2020-21 season). Granted, Braun was the 11th guy last year, and DeAngelo was one of 11 the prior year...but with that said, the current depth on defense is as follows (or thereabouts):

6. Jones
7. Hajek
8. Tinordi
9. Welinski
10. Roberston
11. Skinner
12. Scanlin
13. Emberson

They could offer Bartkowski a contract (he' probably slot in at somewhere between 8-9) or they could use up some precious cap space on a waiver claim, but certainly when the injuries come, the Rangers are going to be shorthanded on the back end.

While it's possible that Jones knocks it out of the park, or Hajek finds some form. by the trade deadline, I would say at this point that the defense might be a bigger need than using most or all the available cap space to add Kane (as well as probably sending probably Kakko - because of his Cap hit, the other way). Now it's not out of the realm of possibility that they figure out a cheap veteran 6th guy as part of it, but as it stands right now...I think that's the area that has the least depth.
so I’m hoping you’re assuming that Kakko busts out and is sitting at like 10 points /60 games in Feb because if he’s anywhere near .60-75 points per game, which isn’t that big a jump, you’re looking at moving a former second overall for “defensive depth”
 
Bunting couldn’t make the Arizona coyotes roster… they cut him.

so I’m hoping you’re assuming that Kakko busts out and is sitting at like 10 points /60 games in Feb because if he’s anywhere near .60-75 points per game, which isn’t that big a jump, you’re looking at moving a former second overall for “defensive depth”

I'm not a proponent of moving Kakko, only insomuch as he's one of the few movable assets (Chytil is another) that would probably need to be included in order to make a Kane acquisition a reality (and assuming they can broker deals to get parts of that $10.5M Kane contract retained by other teams).

At this point I don't think Kane should be the primary target, and I actually am hoping that the Kid Line all find their games, as does Kravtsov. Even Blais for that matter, though I'm a little less convinced he's going to be able to do that.

While Right Wing certainly looks an issue right now, the defense is an area I think that has greater risk attached to it. You could argue that the offense should be able to generate enough even with the gaps/inexperiene they have, but the defense is only going to be good if the bottom pair (and Jones in particular) can figure it out AND the defense can stay largely healthy.
 
You guys are going to think I'm crazy, and maybe I am, but I wouldn't mind trying Gauthier in a top 6 RW slot over Blais or Kravstov. With Gauthier's size and speed, he could be a great puck retriever. You wouldn't even need him to be a "finisher" or elite passer with that amount of offensive talent surrounding him.

Idk... random thought. Feel free to disagree - it's a bit out there. But I really don't like either RW guy in our top 6 as of right now (especially Krav who hasn't really shown much in my opinion).

Blais is a bit more proven, sure, but I think of him as a third liner on a good team. I don't mind leaving him on the top line as much as Krav.
Disagree. This is how many years in a row that fans of a couple of different teams thought, "if only Gauthier...."

He is what he is. Doesn't matter who he plays with. He'll do his one thing, and that's not score.
 
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He's not scoring 50 again in his career let alone 52. 50% of his goals came from the PP anyway, and 3 SH, where he won't be losing his spot anytime soon.

That's what everyone said before last year started, but I think the number was 30.

Oh, yeah, he led the team in even strength goals too. Way to leave that out. ;)

Disagree. This is how many years in a row that fans of a couple of different teams thought, "if only Gauthier...."

He is what he is. Doesn't matter who he plays with. He'll do his one thing, and that's not score.

If he's only doing one thing I hope it's packing a suitcase.
 
How about just flipping Panarin and Kreider for those who want to cry about him being a “3rd liner”?
Jimmy Vesey today: "Kreider and Mika play simple straight line hockey"

HFBoards today: "put Panarin on Mika's wing!"

Are we even trying?
 
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