Speculation: Roster Building Thread: New Season Edition

[Ola]

Any PP structure that involves moving our two best offensive players out of their optimal role is a bad PP structure. Zibanejad is the leading 5v4 goal scorer the last 3 years among guys who play that role. More than Ovechkin. More than Pastrnak. More than Stamkos. He should not be moved somewhere else.

We moved Panarin to the right, that is not optimal for him.

Anyway, my point is just, we can’t have it both ways. I am fairly certain that you severely will hold back an elite offensively gifted young players development if you don’t play him on the PP for 4-5 years. If it’s not worth it to sacrifice whatever you need to sacrifice on the PP — fine. But all cards should be on the table when you make that decision. All pros and cons should be considered.

When David Quinn was here, we could have jump started these kids development (which basically is a must when you rush an 18 y/o kid to the NHL), but he chose to go with Colin Blackwell instead while it was clear that we only were playing for meaningless pts. That decision is criminally bad, and it’s such a shame that nobody recognized it among the experts covering this team and all the pundits. But it’s not that rare for NYR, nobody of the pundits knows anything about hockey or learned all they know in the 70s (total Ponzi clowns like JD included).

If it’s worth it to waste a Laf to get 5 goals more out of Ziba and the PP over 82 games — sure, you do it.

But Gallant in all likelihood won’t be here in 5 years, I will. What is good for him vs what is good for me differs quite much.

 

[Ola]

I am just calling it like it is, it’s just a really poor decision for us fans to not invest at all in Laf and Kakko. This is the 4th straight year we aren’t willing to invest in Kakko and the 3rd with Laf.

Are their excuses? Sure, I recon. I think they are pretty weak, but sure.

I don’t think this level of mismanagement would be allowed if the knowledge of what it will result in was higher. Gallant isn’t 200% on our side. The probability of him being here in 5 years is so so low. Drury is fresh on the job.

As a fan of this team, let’s say we lose 5 goals over 82 games or whatever but gets Laf involved much more with the play with the puck, grows his potential, give him a chance to grow for the future, it’s a no brainer for me. But I guess most don’t share those views.

 

[SA16]

We moved Panarin to the right, that is not optimal for him.

Anyway, my point is just, we can’t have it both ways. I am fairly certain that you severely will hold back an elite offensively gifted young players development if you don’t play him on the PP for 4-5 years. If it’s not worth it to sacrifice whatever you need to sacrifice on the PP — fine. But all cards should be on the table when you make that decision. All pros and cons should be considered.

When David Quinn was here, we could have jump started these kids development (which basically is a must when you rush an 18 y/o kid to the NHL), but he chose to go with Colin Blackwell instead while it was clear that we only were playing for meaningless pts. That decision is criminally bad, and it’s such a shame that nobody recognized it among the experts covering this team and all the pundits. But it’s not that rare for NYR, nobody of the pundits knows anything about hockey or learned all they know in the 70s (total Ponzi clowns like JD included).

If it’s worth it to waste a Laf to get 5 goals more out of Ziba and the PP over 82 games — sure, you do it.

But Gallant in all likelihood won’t be here in 5 years, I will. What is good for him vs what is good for me differs quite much.

It was optimal enough to be the 4th best PP in the league. It's also Panarin's best spot. He's not nearly as good on the left and he wouldn't have as much time and space in the middle.

1RW, well RW in general has always been the biggest and most important hole that had to be filled heading into the season and still is. For those who have been saying we don't need Patrick Kane, they are sorely mistaken.

It will be filled at the deadline just like it was last year. Whether it's someone more like Vatrano or Kane is a question but it's clearly going to be their number one deadline target with the team as it is right now.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Even if Brooks was right, it means very little. VK is still getting his legs under him on smaller ice. Gauts should destroy him in training camp...even with that, I agree that I saw much more from VK. No idea why Larry is so in love with Gauts, he's had plenty of opportunities and given the Rangers every reason to cut him.

It doesn't matter what brooks thinks, Kravtsov is making the opening night roster. Further to that, Gauthier has done exactly what he has done his whole time here, created dead end scoring chances by not using his linemates.

With Blais making almost double Gauthier....and factor in the health of Blais.....who knows ? Drury might keep Gauthier and save 700 Grand for the deadline ? Blais really does not bring that much more to the table overall . The 700 ,000 saved might do us more good and finally give us a good long look of Gauthier before the deadline . Maybe just maybe he becomes everything we seek on that wing . He might not score that much but he is pretty hard to stop when he goes to the net and drags two defensemen with him , Imagine him and Kreider both on the same line doing that ? It will be interesting to see how it unfolds .

Huh? Blais is gretzky compared to Gauthier.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

1RW, well RW in general has always been the biggest and most important hole that had to be filled heading into the season and still is. For those who have been saying we don't need Patrick Kane, they are sorely mistaken.

Oh yeah, I wasn't insinuating you said we didn't need that haha.

 

[DanielBrassard]

Oh yeah, I wasn't insinuating you said we didn't need that haha.

No I know lol.

 

[mas0764]

This is super hilarious where I wrote Vesey had an excellent camp that enabled him to get a shot on a top line from starting off on the 5th line and a bunch of people are writing or insinuating I think he earned it and deserves to be there the whole year.

Come on bros. Do better .

You could do better with your Kravtsov analysis maybe?

7 days until the seasons starts? People are at each other’s throats already

Too much condescension from know it alls.

 

[irishlaxburger2]

It was optimal enough to be the 4th best PP in the league. It's also Panarin's best spot. He's not nearly as good on the left and he wouldn't have as much time and space in the middle.



It will be filled at the deadline just like it was last year. Whether it's someone more like Vatrano or Kane is a question but it's clearly going to be their number one deadline target with the team as it is right now.

This is the problem you create at the Deadline if you’re refusing to allow either Kakko or Laf earn that 1RW spot. You’re absolutely forced into trading for a 1RW, so you have absolutely no flexibility then at the deadline from both a positional or price standpoint (because a 1RW will be expensive).

If you give one of those two a shot and they earn it, you can then focus on a depth winger, a depth d-man, or god forbid both because they come a lot cheaper.

Again, you’re pigeon holing yourself into a Kane-type trade by keeping the Kid Line together. And that’s the best case scenario assuming no injuries. If you have a major injury somewhere, you’ll then have two holes with only the space to fill one of them adequately.

For a million different reasons, it’s short-sighted asset management. You’re leaving yourself no natural hedges *and* choosing to shelter the development of the youngsters.

 

[TominNC]

Vitali Kravtsov days until opening night!

Sacrilege putting Rod’s jersey on him.

 

[effen]

You could do better with your Kravtsov analysis maybe?



Too much condescension from know it alls.

I think giving Kravtsov a C for this preseason is pretty reasonable. Some good, some bad, pretty favorable treatment.

 

[EdJovanovski]

I think giving Kravtsov a C for this preseason is pretty reasonable. Some good, some bad, pretty favorable treatment.

Even I think that's a little soon, his pre-season was groundbreaking but it wasn't THAT level. I think his preseason did earn an A, but we should wait until next season to give him a C after trading Trouba

 

[irishlaxburger2]

Even I think that's a little soon, his pre-season was groundbreaking but it wasn't THAT level. I think his preseason did earn an A, but we should wait until next season to give him a C after trading Trouba

The C and Gilbert’s number seems a bit reactionary at this point, but we gotta invest in the youngsters somehow.

 

[SA16]

This is the problem you create at the Deadline if you’re refusing to allow either Kakko or Laf earn that 1RW spot. You’re absolutely forced into trading for a 1RW, so you have absolutely no flexibility then at the deadline from both a positional or price standpoint (because a 1RW will be expensive).

If you give one of those two a shot and they earn it, you can then focus on a depth winger, a depth d-man, or god forbid both because they come a lot cheaper.

Again, you’re pigeon holing yourself into a Kane-type trade by keeping the Kid Line together. And that’s the best case scenario assuming no injuries. If you have a major injury somewhere, you’ll then have two holes with only the space to fill one of them adequately.

For a million different reasons, it’s short-sighted asset management. You’re leaving yourself no natural hedges *and* choosing to shelter the development of the youngsters.

There are 60 games or so before the deadline. You know they can change the line combinations, right? Whoever is 1RW on game 1 is not locked into that role the entire season.

 

[bhamill]

Think it's 14th.

you know what? I didn’t take divisions and who makes the playoffs or misses them into account. It’s just the 10th worst point total.

 

[bhamill]

7 days until the seasons starts? People are at each other’s throats already

It’s f***ing nuts.

 

[bhamill]

1RW, well RW in general has always been the biggest and most important hole that had to be filled heading into the season and still is. For those who have been saying we don't need Patrick Kane, they are sorely mistaken.

Weeellll. It’s a little early to say we NEED Patrick Kane in order to succeed, especially if three lines start firing during the season that hasn’t even started yet... There’s also the matter of level of need vs cost… sure if he was free everyone would be on board, but say they want an assload of assets for him including the 1st we just got, will we still “need” him then? At that price? Right now we DON’T need him. We haven’t lost a game YET this season…

 

[Clark Kellogg]

If he’s not standing behind Ritcher on June 14th, 1994 as that puck gets by Mike and is heading into the open net. There still might be a curse, people not dying-in-peace, memories lasting a life-time and a parade down the Canyon of Heroes.
Thank you “future considerations “
This many days until opening night:

 

[Hire Sather]

This league let us get Jim Vesey for free TWICE

 

[RangerBoy]

How are the Rangers affording Kane?

A team needs 7/8/9 D to win. The Rangers have 5 D.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

How are the Rangers affording Kane?

A team needs 7/8/9 D to win. The Rangers have 5 D.

Double retention. Tampa did it twice. Rangers could even get another D. All teams have deficiencies. The AVs were not a perfect team. They had some of the worst goaltending to win the cup and Jack Johnson taking a regular shift on D in the final. They could shoot the lights out though. The Lightning won in 2020 with Bogosian, Luke Schenn, Shattenkirk and Coburn taking regular turns on D. They also had one of the best Dmen in the world and the best goalie in the world. They could also score a ton. (They were also incredibly well coached but that's a story for another day).

Rangers can rely on 5 D when they have the best goaltender in the world and one of the best Dmen in the world as well. The Rangers can have 6,7,8 D and they still won't win if they can't play 5v5.

 

[irishlaxburger2]

How are the Rangers affording Kane?

A team needs 7/8/9 D to win. The Rangers have 5 D.

*This post is not meant to advocate for a Patrick Kane trade*

If they carry 22 roster players all year, that will free up about $3.6-4M in cap space by the deadline. Paper transacting someone like Rydahl down to the AHL on off-days will only add to that number.

So that space plus potentially adding Sammy Blais in the trade makes fitting Kane (@50% retained) work. But they won't have room to do anything else.

 

[Thirty One]

This league let us get Jim Vesey for free TWICE

And Buffalo has paid two 3rd round picks for far fewer games.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

Seriously f*** Patrick Kane

Don’t want em, don’t need em

 

[rangers1314]

Lindgren not playing tonight, day to day with a LBI.

 

[Hunter Gathers]

Lindgren not playing tonight, day to day with a LBI.

Shouldn't have worn shorts.