Speculation: Roster Building Thread: New Season Edition

[Fitzy]

i think we saw this last night . Top 6 and top pair were good, bottom 6 and bottom 4 were ECHL scrubs, not even an exaggeration. Which is why we got DOMINATED by a Devils team missing their best players. Outshot 35-15 lol.

Our depth is pretty poor. How healthy our top guys stay is gonna have massive implications for the team's performance.

Can't have guys like Bartkowski Hajek and Gettinger on the ice in the playoffs and win games.

This is actually one of the reasons I'm not anti Brodzinski because at least he's a semi competent AAA player.

 

[Clark Kellogg]

That deal would have been a big letdown for Campbell too.

 

[GENESISPuck94]

But it’s allowing them to keep bodies off waivers and it’s easy to call him up

Goodrow may C Hunt and Reaves W Carpenter sparring

Any combination of events that makes Reaves and Hunt or Carpenter every day players is dumb.

Goodrow - Rydahl - Vesey

Gives the Rangers the best possible 4th line with what they have available to them. I don't know why this is so hard for them.

 

[Ola]

Not true.

NYR Post deadline

xGF%: 8th
xGA: 2nd(!)
CF%: 6th
HDCF: 8th

They were definitely better than they were before the trades were made. They still weren't great offensively even after the trades, but the really tightened things up and controlled play way more. Had they done this for the entire season instead of just for 25% of it, they would have won the division by like 10+ points.

Point being, having actually NHL players in your bottom 6 matters and its not as insignificant as you think it is. This is going to be in full effect this season if Carpenter is as bad as he's been and Reaves is an every day player.

Still, reg season right?

It still shows how much depth matters. Especially Copp lifted us in the regular season, it wasn’t enough in the POs where we still sucked, but it is what we need to improve.

 

[bleedblue94]

If robertson takes a big step this season, and is ready next season. I could see it. Lindgren is a ticking bomb for injuries. He plays a great game and we all love it, but realistically he plays a game meant for someone bigger than he is.

Robertson isn't replacing lindy, we don't have anyone on the roster or in the org right now that can replace lindy as an nhl top 4 d man on the left side next year. Let's not kid ourselves here...

 

[bleedblue94]

Still, reg season right?

It still shows how much depth matters. Especially Copp lifted us in the regular season, it wasn’t enough in the POs where we still sucked, but it is what we need to improve.

Ha I think this needs some context.

After the deadline NYR played 19 games with 7 of those games against playoff teams:

2 x devils
2 x islanders
2 x red wings
2 x flyers
1 x sens
1 x jets
1 x sabers
1 x habs

3 x pens
2 x canes
1 x caps
1 x bruins

That kind of schedule SHOULD inflate your fancy stats bc 12 games against teams that more or less had quite by this point of the season...

 

[GAGLine]

You don’t slide robertson to 1Ld you slide miller and Jones up.

It remains to be seen if Jones can handle 3LD duties at the NHL level, never-mind top 4.

Lindgren has 2 years left on his contract and he's an RFA at the end of it. I guarantee you he isn't getting traded next summer.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Ha I think this needs some context.

After the deadline NYR played 19 games with 7 of those games against playoff teams:

2 x devils
2 x islanders
2 x red wings
2 x flyers
1 x sens
1 x jets
1 x sabers
1 x habs

3 x pens
2 x canes
1 x caps
1 x bruins

That kind of schedule SHOULD inflate your fancy stats bc 12 games against teams that more or less had quite by this point of the season...

They didn't dominate bad teams before the deadline though.

Plus some of those "bad" teams were actually pretty good down the stretch last year. Sabres in particular were pretty fire their last 30 games or so.

 

[bleedblue94]

They didn't dominate bad teams before the deadline though.

Plus some of those "bad" teams were actually pretty good down the stretch last year. Sabres in particular were pretty fire their last 30 games or so.

Come on, you're trying to defend your point by relying on defending some of the worst teams in the league. Tyler Motte on the 4th line isn't what helped the 5v5 fancy stats.

That is where this whole thing started, you took exception to me criticizing you saying team projections shouldnt be made until the roster is finalized when we know the roster except for maybe which two of the four guys battling are going to take the 4th line slots.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Come on, you're trying to defend your point by relying on defending some of the worst teams in the league. Tyler Motte on the 4th line isn't what helped the 5v5 fancy stats.

That is where this whole thing started, you took exception to me criticizing you saying team projections shouldnt be made until the roster is finalized when we know the roster except for maybe which two of the four guys battling are going to take the 4th line slots.

No of course not, Motte missed most of those games. Point is that they were getting whopped by those same "worst teams" analytically before the TDL.

Filling out the roster and having competent NHL players in the line up helped and for what ever reason, you don't want to believe that it did. Having a good 4th line is important btw - Or do you forget Reaves completely f***ing us over in game 4 vs Tampa (and yes, I'm aware that he's still here and I'm worried about how much he's going to play) and Rooney dramatically shifting the momentum in game 5 after failing to make a simple play which led to Tampa's first goal late in the 2nd period?

 

[Flan the incredible]

I really wish Drury would sign Laf and Miller to long term deals like every other team is doing because they realize the cap is going to go up so much. Seriously lock Laf up and give him more PP time and the deal is a steal. As of now you are overpaying a 20 goal scorer on the 3rd line. He is probably going to get playing time on the top 2 lines this year which will only increase the dollar amount of his next deal.

 

[bleedblue94]

No of course not, Motte missed most of those games. Point is that they were getting whopped by those same "worst teams" analytically before the TDL.

As I said for many of those teams their seasons were mostly done and they were playing out the string.

 

[bleedblue94]

I really wish Drury would sign Laf and Miller to long term deals like every other team is doing because they realize the cap is going to go up so much. Seriously lock Laf up and give him more PP time and the deal is a steal. As of now you are overpaying a 20 goal scorer on the 3rd line. He is probably going to get playing time on the top 2 lines this year which will only increase the dollar amount of his next deal.

Why in the world would the players sign such deals?

 

[cwede]

I really wish Drury would sign Laf and Miller to long term deals like every other team is doing because they realize the cap is going to go up so much. Seriously lock Laf up and give him more PP time and the deal is a steal. As of now you are overpaying a 20 goal scorer on the 3rd line. He is probably going to get playing time on the top 2 lines this year which will only increase the dollar amount of his next deal.

those extra millions in Cap Space are not here yet, not there for next season,
so i believe this is just not possible without drastically overhauling the roster
most likely, they will be bridged

 

[Fitzy]

Idk guys the closer we are to a cup this season the more John Maynard Keynes esque I feel about the long run.

 

[bleedblue94]

Idk guys the closer we are to a cup this season the more John Maynard Keynes esque I feel about the long run.

I agree to a point, but one of the issues is you have virtually no cap space to add to the roster at the deadline. Unless we have something nutty happen with ltir we wont be able to afford significant ads. Next year might be worse. I am all for making moves to compete and win but the reality is they have boxed themselves in cap wise. We may be at a spot that they decide to roll with only two extra skaters instead of three so they can try to bank more cap space as the year progresses so they have an easier time adding to the roster at the deadline.

 

[duhmetreE]

If past year Playoff Panarin shows up again, I truly believe Drury approaches him to waive.

On the contrary, I think he regains his MVP form.

 

[bleedblue94]

If past year Playoff Panarin shows up again, I truly believe Drury approaches him to waive.

On the contrary, I think he regains his MVP form.

The issue would be who can take an 11.6m cap hit and out of that group who would he be willing to waive to? It is a VERY hard thing to do. He isn't going to arizona ha

 

[AKrangerfan]

Panarin - Zibanejad - Kravtsov
Lafreniere - Chytil - Kakko
Kreider - Trocheck - Othmann/Vesey
Blais - Goodrow - Reaves

Not bad but I would have Reaves as the 13th forward and Rydahl and 4th line center. I would love to see Othmann make the team but I doubt management see it the same way. Would be a pleasant surprise.

 

[bobbop]

Makes sense. For argument's sake, why not do two-year bridge deals? Too expensive for the team?

Better for the player if long term contract can start a year earlier.

 

[Crease]

The issue would be who can take an 11.6m cap hit and out of that group who would he be willing to waive to? It is a VERY hard thing to do. He isn't going to arizona ha

Not that I’m advocating for it, but someone in 2024 or 2025 might have the space. The cap is expected to go up $4-5m each of those summers.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

The issue would be who can take an 11.6m cap hit and out of that group who would he be willing to waive to? It is a VERY hard thing to do. He isn't going to arizona ha

No one is taking the full hit.

They'd have to retain a significant portion of it.

 

[bobbop]

The cap doesn’t go up next year tho based on the projections we saw. 2 years is the cap rise.

Go back and look again.

 

[duhmetreE]

The issue would be who can take an 11.6m cap hit and out of that group who would he be willing to waive to? It is a VERY hard thing to do. He isn't going to arizona ha

his buddy in Anaheim

Panarin Strome reunited.

 

[bleedblue94]

Not that I’m advocating for it, but someone in 2024 or 2025 might have the space. The cap is expected to go up $4-5m each of those summers.

again, why would a team at that time waste their new cap space to take a 33 year old winger making 11.6m on the cap for us? We would be needing to send assets or remaining on that contract unless he revert to his old form in which case we wouldnt want to trade him. It sucks bc his situation is going to become a paradox.

No one is taking the full hit.

They'd have to retain a significant portion of it.

I know this, I have been saying this for months.

his buddy in Anaheim

Panarin Strome reunited.

dream on dreamer.

verbeek wants to rebuild and have flexibility, he doesnt do that tying up 11.6 on a 33 or 34 year old winger, strome isnt running that team.