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bobbop said:
Different POV here. I expect Miller and Lafreniere to take one year bridge contracts with the promise of long term agreements that fall under the new cap numbers.
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The cap doesn’t go up next year tho based on the projections we saw. 2 years is the cap rise.
 
Uninstaaled said:
They don't really have excellent chemistry. Kreider scoring 50+ was due to him absolutely feasting on the PP. That won't change if he doesn't play with Zibanejad at ES.

The 2 of them have gotten caved 5v5. For all the hate that Panarin and his line got during the playoffs (all warranted btw) Kreider-Zibanejad got smoked even worse at ES - It was ignored because Zibanejad was really productive otherwise and Kreider scored some timely goals. The reality is, they've become the epitome of one and done in the OZ 5v5, which is something we need to get away from (and they aren't really good enough cashing in on the rush to justify keeping them together.

The bromance makes for good vibes and msg network fluff pieces, but their chemistry died the second Buchnevich was traded... because KZB was really more about how well Z and B worked together. Kreider has actually performed better away from Zibanejad too. He and Chytil have always crushed it when they've been deployed together and I'd actually like to see what he looks like with Trocheck as it may influence/force him to get back to doing some of the other things that he can do really well when he wants to, but tends to get away from when he's playing with Zibanejad and that way you don't have to break up the kid line, who to this point, is the only line that can actually create offensive off of the cycle.
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I mean, I’m not going to die on the hill and argue against you. I just don’t necessarily agree with this analysis. The whole team got caved 5v5 most of the year. I think this narrative is an overreaction, at least at this point.
 
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egelband said:
Pretty sure @Levitate is assuming, safely I think, that a Lindgren brings back a nice haul. Like a promising roster player and a first, minimally. This is a Sell High proposition.
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Part of the return on any Lindgren deal IS going to be cap space.

1st and a nice prospect would suffice.

He has chemistry with Fox, other wise he's a 2nd/3rd pair defender
 
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RangerBlues said:
I find no problem with this.
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The Leafs are experimenting a bit with Torpedo hockey for sure with “Marner on D”, I.e. 1-2-2 instead of 2-3.

Could work a bit because it takes some adjusting to handle a team like that. But ultimately it’s like some Western teams play but just a bit more extreme. I.e you push your wingers high up ice, faster. In a controlled situation, if you have the puck under control in your own end behind the net you want both wingers at the attacking blueline. Then you have two options, either to send a long pass up to the attacking blueline for a dump in through a redeflection or to move it to the “half backs” — in other words, the “center” and the forward moved to D (or PMD) — so they can skate it up ice. What you win with it is (a) that Ds can struggle a bit with those constant loooong dump ins, you especially want bigger stay at home Ds to skate as much as possible up and down the ice and (b) of course, by moving up our wingers that fast, you push back the Ds of the other team and create an ocean of ice in the neutral zone. So in this case it’s mostly about giving Marner and surely Mathew’s more time.
 
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Great post in the GDT!

Re this topic, I hope Kravy get a shot with Kreider-Ziba. I’ve for a long time felt that Gallant possibly misunderstands that line a bit. Laf isn’t a fit there. Kakko isn’t a fit there. Blais isn’t a fit there. Vatrano wasn’t a fit there.

Othman could be a fit there and Kravy definitely is style wise. It’s really about the tempo/rhythm they play with. Ziba and Kreider aren’t start/stop type of players. And they aren’t the types who always look to slow down the pace before putting in another gear (which Kakko’s game is all about). They need their linemate to afford them time to build up speed, curve long. When they get going, they never take the foot off the gas. Kravy is the same type.
 
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The talk of moving Kreider and Zib apart i think the one thing that should have happened a couple years ago was that Kreider move to center. It would have freed up a lw spot, freed up some cap space because we wouldn't need to sign Trochek now, and balanced the lines.
 
I like the idea of making the Kid Line the 2nd line and figuring out 1 and 3. You have the parts.

X - Zibanejad - X
Laf - Chytil - Kakko
X - Trocheck - X

Panarin, Kreider, Kravtsov, Goodrow, and Blais are five wing options for the four remaining spots in the top nine. One of Goodrow/Blais ends up on the fourth line. Assuming Othmann goes back to juniors, but maybe not?
 
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EdJovanovski said:
Panarin - Zibanejad - Kravtsov
Lafreniere - Chytil - Kakko
Kreider - Trocheck - Othmann/Vesey
Blais - Goodrow - Reaves
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Only adjustment for me

Move Blais to 3rd RW

Othmann to Juniors

Vesey to 4th LW

Rydahl to 4th RW

Reaves to bench as 13th forward to swap in and out for either Vesey or Rydahl
 
bleedblue94 said:
Mckegg and Rooney out of the lineup weren't the reason we suddenly got "better". We were still terrible 5v5. We were largely the same team but one that got some breaks along a playoff run. Honestly we all wanted to believe they were better after the deadline than they actually were. They went on a run which was great but no one looked at the team and said wow with mckegg and Rooney out of the lineup that rangers team looks like a legit contender.

Again I have been suggesting Kreider on the 3rd line for years. Alternatively I thought Kreider and strome should've been together as they both played great together while panarin was in Russia and it would breakup the bromances. Whether or not we agree that zib and Kreider need to get split the org isn't doing it this year. So it's really silly to consider it in the context of the here and now, it won't be an option even if it should be.
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Not true.

NYR Post deadline

xGF%: 8th
xGA: 2nd(!)
CF%: 6th
HDCF: 8th

They were definitely better than they were before the trades were made. They still weren't great offensively even after the trades, but the really tightened things up and controlled play way more. Had they done this for the entire season instead of just for 25% of it, they would have won the division by like 10+ points.

Point being, having actually NHL players in your bottom 6 matters and its not as insignificant as you think it is. This is going to be in full effect this season if Carpenter is as bad as he's been and Reaves is an every day player.
 
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EdJovanovski said:
Panarin - Zibanejad - Kravtsov
Lafreniere - Chytil - Kakko
Kreider - Trocheck - Othmann/Vesey
Blais - Goodrow - Reaves
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Kinda like that but we could get to this as well. So many options.

Panarin - Zibanejad - Kakko (I think Kakko will wind up with Mika)
Lafreniere - Chytil - Kravstov (still a kid line)
Kreider - Trocheck - Blais (tough line to play against)
Vesey - Rydahl/Goodrow (this is a strong 4th line)
 
GAGLine said:
Who replaces Lindgren?

I bet they don't. We have no one to replace either player.

I think some of you guys care more about asset management than winning.
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If robertson takes a big step this season, and is ready next season. I could see it. Lindgren is a ticking bomb for injuries. He plays a great game and we all love it, but realistically he plays a game meant for someone bigger than he is.
 
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IDvsEGO said:
If robertson takes a big step this season, and is ready next season. I could see it. Lindgren is a ticking bomb for injuries. He plays a great game and we all love it, but realistically he plays a game meant for someone bigger than he is.
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That seems like a pretty big IF. Even if he improves enough to make the team full time next year, he is unlikely to be ready to play 20+ minutes a night.

Lindgren is 24 years old, not 30. He's has many more productive years ahead of him, and he will remain relatively inexpensive due to his lack of offensive production.
 
GAGLine said:
That seems like a pretty big IF. Even if he improves enough to make the team full time next year, he is unlikely to be ready to play 20+ minutes a night.

Lindgren is 24 years old, not 30. He's has many more productive years ahead of him, and he will remain relatively inexpensive due to his lack of offensive production.
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I think the point is that Lindgren is an intuitive option to trade prior to an extension. It's an area of organizational depth, which makes him one potential cost-cutting option. You could also probably get a couple pretty good futures for him, which is more appealing than say- buying out Barclay Goodrow.

But I want to see how Jones and Robertson progress over the next 1-2 seasons before declaring it the clearly desirable option. I am starting to think it is more and more likely that this could be Kreider's last season here.
 
GAGLine said:
That seems like a pretty big IF. Even if he improves enough to make the team full time next year, he is unlikely to be ready to play 20+ minutes a night.

Lindgren is 24 years old, not 30. He's has many more productive years ahead of him, and he will remain relatively inexpensive due to his lack of offensive production.
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You don’t slide robertson to 1Ld you slide miller and Jones up.
 
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Uninstaaled said:
Not true.

NYR Post deadline

xGF%: 8th
xGA: 2nd(!)
CF%: 6th
HDCF: 8th

They were definitely better than they were before the trades were made. They still weren't great offensively even after the trades, but the really tightened things up and controlled play way more. Had they done this for the entire season instead of just for 25% of it, they would have won the division by like 10+ points.

Point being, having actually NHL players in your bottom 6 matters and its not as insignificant as you think it is. This is going to be in full effect this season if Carpenter is as bad as he's been and Reaves is an every day player.
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They looked like world beaters against detroit and other teams that were done and had given up on the season. they get into the playoffs against legit teams that are battling and they reverted to the same general trash 5v5 team that was just trying to survive until the next pp.

i am not saying that having nhl players on the 4th line are irrelevant, i am saying the difference between the 4th line options we have right now are generally insignificant. sure there are better choices to make here, but those are not going to dictate the success rate of the team enough to greatly impact any season long projections which is what your original comment was...
 
Uninstaaled said:
Not true.

NYR Post deadline

xGF%: 8th
xGA: 2nd(!)
CF%: 6th
HDCF: 8th

They were definitely better than they were before the trades were made. They still weren't great offensively even after the trades, but the really tightened things up and controlled play way more. Had they done this for the entire season instead of just for 25% of it, they would have won the division by like 10+ points.

Point being, having actually NHL players in your bottom 6 matters and its not as insignificant as you think it is. This is going to be in full effect this season if Carpenter is as bad as he's been and Reaves is an every day player.
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i think we saw this last night . Top 6 and top pair were good, bottom 6 and bottom 4 were ECHL scrubs, not even an exaggeration. Which is why we got DOMINATED by a Devils team missing their best players. Outshot 35-15 lol.
 
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