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Off Sides said:
I think the choice will be

Buyout Goodrow
or
Trade Lindgren
or
Not extend 2 out of the 4 of Laff, Krav, Chytil, Miller. (assuming at least 3 out of that group do well this season.
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How is this a choice? Lindgren is a top pair defender here. Laf, Kakko, Chytil and Miller are our future. Goodrow plays the fourth line and has intangibles and stuff.

You can get that kind of guy in any free agency period.
 
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mas0764 said:
How is this a choice? Lindgren is a top pair defender here. Laf, Kakko, Chytil and Miller are our future. Goodrow plays the fourth line and has intangibles and stuff.

You can get that kind of guy in any free agency period.
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You might want to prepare to be disappointed in what they feel they have as choices.
 
Lindgren getting traded is probably the smart thing to do for the long run.

I like him in general and he certainly brings a certain something but when you need cap space moving a guy who's probably gonna have his playing ability decline a lot more rapidly than other players rather than extending him again and running him out there on the 1st pairing is a better use of resources
 
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Off Sides said:
You might want to prepare to be disappointed in what they feel they have as choices.
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I’m well aware that management makes too many bad decisions.

Levitate said:
Lindgren getting traded is probably the smart thing to do for the long run.

I like him in general and he certainly brings a certain something but when you need cap space moving a guy who's probably gonna have his playing ability decline a lot more rapidly than other players rather than extending him again and running him out there on the 1st pairing is a better use of resources
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Depends on what he brings back.
 
Uninstaaled said:
Also making projections before rosters are even set is f***ing stupid.
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Bc somehow the hodge podge of shit they are juggling around on the 4th line and rw for zib is going to make a significant difference? We all see the options and they don't have cap space to go get a rw for zib. We don't need to see the ON lineup before making projections for this groups reg season. There isn't an impact player falling into their lap through waivers and they don't have cap space to make a move. We have what we have
 
bleedblue94 said:
Bc somehow the hodge podge of shit they are juggling around on the 4th line and rw for zib is going to make a significant difference? We all see the options and they don't have cap space to go get a rw for zib. We don't need to see the ON lineup before making projections for this groups reg season. There isn't an impact player falling into their lap through waivers and they don't have cap space to make a move. We have what we have
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Even if its a hodge podge of shit, there is shit that is better than other shit and we don't know what shit is going to stick. I have an idea, but we won't know for sure.

This is like the equivalent of handing in a report saying that its done when you've really only done 85% of it. I get that they have deadlines to meet, but it's pretty dumb imo.
 
Uninstaaled said:
Even if its a hodge podge of shit, there is shit that is better than other shit and we don't know what shit is going to stick. I have an idea, but we won't know for sure.

This is like the equivalent of handing in a report saying that its done when you've really only done 85% of it. I get that they have deadlines to meet, but it's pretty dumb imo.
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Do you really think that any interaction of those maybe four guys for two spots is going to have some miraculous effect on the success of this group during the regular season? Come on, you're smarter than that. Regardless of who's in those spots we already have an idea what this team is going to look like: Excellent power play, average best 5 on 5 play, and a team that needs to rely on extremely good goaltending to be successful. We know what this group is bc it's mostly the same group we saw last year with less depth that needs kids to evolve. Those last couple spots of rando players doesn't address those things and it can't unless you think vesey is playing himself onto zibs line to pot 20 this year.
 
bleedblue94 said:
Do you really think that any interaction of those maybe four guys for two spots is going to have some miraculous effect on the success of this group during the regular season? Come on, you're smarter than that. Regardless of who's in those spots we already have an idea what this team is going to look like: Excellent power play, average best 5 on 5 play, and a team that needs to rely on extremely good goaltending to be successful. We know what this group is bc it's mostly the same group we saw last year with less depth that needs kids to evolve. Those last couple spots of rando players doesn't address those things and it can't unless you think vesey is playing himself onto zibs line to pot 20 this year.
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Yes, did you watch this team last year and see what they looked like after the deadline when they acquired actually NHL players and didn't have to run like likes of Greg McKegg and Kevin Rooney out there?

I get that the impact isn't going to be as drastic as adding a legit top line player (especially on paper), but improvements are improvements and having actual NHL level players in spots (yes, even the 4th line) matters. They may only get 8-10 minutes a game, but thats more than enough time to win or lose you a ton of games.

I've addressed the Zib RW thing in another thread and it's really the wrong mindset IMO. I know that they'll probably look to do it at some point this year, but I don't think there is a player in this league who will be available who can salvage Kreider-Zibanejad. The answer is in splitting them up, not finding a piece that fits along side them because honestly that piece is just going to be one who fits with Zibanejad and that duo works well enough to justify the existence of the trio.

I do agree that the evolution of the kids will be a driving (or deterring) factor for this team. I hope they actually get used because they're going to be needed, especially if Kreider-Zibanejad is going to be a permanent thing.
 
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Uninstaaled said:
Yes, did you watch this team last year and see what they looked like after the deadline when they acquired actually NHL players and didn't have to run like likes of Greg McKegg and Kevin Rooney out there?

I get that the impact isn't going to be as drastic as adding a legit top line player (especially on paper), but improvements are improvements and having actual NHL level players in spots (yes, even the 4th line) matters. They may only get 8-10 minutes a game, but thats more than enough time to win or lose you a ton of games.

I've addressed the Zib RW thing in another thread and it's really the wrong mindset IMO. I know that they'll probably look to do it at some point this year, but I don't think there is a player in this league who will be available who can salvage Kreider-Zibanejad. The answer is in splitting them up, not finding a piece that fits along side them because honestly that piece is just going to be one who fits with Zibanejad and that duo works well enough to justify the existence of the trio.

I do agree that the evolution of the kids will be a driving (or deterring) factor for this team. I hope they actually get used because they're going to be needed, especially if Kreider-Zibanejad is going to be a permanent thing.
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Zibanejad almost had 80 points and Kreider scored 50 goals last year and they have excellent chemistry due to their unique friendship. Why are we splitting them up?
 
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jerseyjinx94 said:
Zibanejad almost had 80 points and Kreider scored 50 goals last year and they have excellent chemistry due to their unique friendship. Why are we splitting them up?
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They don't really have excellent chemistry. Kreider scoring 50+ was due to him absolutely feasting on the PP. That won't change if he doesn't play with Zibanejad at ES.

The 2 of them have gotten caved 5v5. For all the hate that Panarin and his line got during the playoffs (all warranted btw) Kreider-Zibanejad got smoked even worse at ES - It was ignored because Zibanejad was really productive otherwise and Kreider scored some timely goals. The reality is, they've become the epitome of one and done in the OZ 5v5, which is something we need to get away from (and they aren't really good enough cashing in on the rush to justify keeping them together.

The bromance makes for good vibes and msg network fluff pieces, but their chemistry died the second Buchnevich was traded... because KZB was really more about how well Z and B worked together. Kreider has actually performed better away from Zibanejad too. He and Chytil have always crushed it when they've been deployed together and I'd actually like to see what he looks like with Trocheck as it may influence/force him to get back to doing some of the other things that he can do really well when he wants to, but tends to get away from when he's playing with Zibanejad and that way you don't have to break up the kid line, who to this point, is the only line that can actually create offensive off of the cycle.
 
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bobbop said:
Different POV here. I expect Miller and Lafreniere to take one year bridge contracts with the promise of long term agreements that fall under the new cap numbers.
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Makes sense. For argument's sake, why not do two-year bridge deals? Too expensive for the team?
 
I actually agree that breaking up Kreider and Zbad is the right move, and I also believe them having a better 4th line would help. Yet I also agree that they will do their best to turn all that into a hodge podge of... well not total shit, yet some sort of inefficient mess. Mosly because they will not keep the better players on the team, and will instead either worry about losing some of them to waivers, or make their choices on history rather than what is currently in front of them. Then they will makes lines that include at least two players Goodrow being one of them, playing well above where they should, because they like them (think they are great defensively when all that means is they block shots, which means they are in their zone to begin with)
 
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I'll listen on splitting up Kreids and Mika but then again I can't really make any configurations that make sense with Mika, Kreider, Panarin, and the kid line on 4 different lines. I'm stumped. So I guess Kreids and Mika are back together. Which is cool. Because it's a no-brainer in the first place.
 
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Uninstaaled said:
Yes, did you watch this team last year and see what they looked like after the deadline when they acquired actually NHL players and didn't have to run like likes of Greg McKegg and Kevin Rooney out there?

I get that the impact isn't going to be as drastic as adding a legit top line player (especially on paper), but improvements are improvements and having actual NHL level players in spots (yes, even the 4th line) matters. They may only get 8-10 minutes a game, but thats more than enough time to win or lose you a ton of games.

I've addressed the Zib RW thing in another thread and it's really the wrong mindset IMO. I know that they'll probably look to do it at some point this year, but I don't think there is a player in this league who will be available who can salvage Kreider-Zibanejad. The answer is in splitting them up, not finding a piece that fits along side them because honestly that piece is just going to be one who fits with Zibanejad and that duo works well enough to justify the existence of the trio.

I do agree that the evolution of the kids will be a driving (or deterring) factor for this team. I hope they actually get used because they're going to be needed, especially if Kreider-Zibanejad is going to be a permanent thing.
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Mckegg and Rooney out of the lineup weren't the reason we suddenly got "better". We were still terrible 5v5. We were largely the same team but one that got some breaks along a playoff run. Honestly we all wanted to believe they were better after the deadline than they actually were. They went on a run which was great but no one looked at the team and said wow with mckegg and Rooney out of the lineup that rangers team looks like a legit contender.

Again I have been suggesting Kreider on the 3rd line for years. Alternatively I thought Kreider and strome should've been together as they both played great together while panarin was in Russia and it would breakup the bromances. Whether or not we agree that zib and Kreider need to get split the org isn't doing it this year. So it's really silly to consider it in the context of the here and now, it won't be an option even if it should be.
 
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