Speculation: Roster Building Thread: New Season Edition

[duhmetreE]

These are the projected numbers.

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These are most likely extremely conservative 'baseline' estimates.

ESPN is going to grow the game exponentially IMO.

low 90's in '24
high 90's in '25

 

[HockeyBasedNYC]

Really wish Rydahl would be given a shot on thr opening night roster of he keeps playing like this through the rest of the preseason.

Hes exactly what this team needs on thr 4th line from what we've seen so far (albeit a small sample size).

Then you have 3 main PKers in Vesey, Goodrow and Rydahl. That's half of the PK players you need. Also reduces the amount of PK minutes the top line players need to take.

This is another reason why I lobbied for Motte.

But the fact that Rydahl can do all of the things Motte does AND play center is a huge plus, if he indeed can translate his game well on the NA rinks.

He's a big dude with wheels, a long reach and a propensity to take the body on a smaller rink. Can't be a bad combination for the role the Rangers need him to fill.

 

[mas0764]

Huh?

Rangers goals in that game were as follows.

1 - Fox snipe on PP (goalie was screened)
2 - Kreider tip on PP (No one is stopping this)
3 - Strome on 2 v 1 - Maybe this is stopped by a better goalie
4 - Kreider breakaway
5 - Chytil breakaway
6 - Copp ENG.

Doesn't change the fact that they scored 2 goals in this game, and one of them was garbage time when the game was over.

Game 6? Yeah Raanta let up 2 stinkers.

Yeah I think goals 3-5 were stoppable with Andersson, one of the best goalies last year in his own right. Maybe not all of them but that game might not get away from them like it did otherwise.

 

[Levitate]

Actually real interested in the idea of players like Kakko getting PK time. If he's not gonna get PP time then getting more minutes on the PK might be a way to go rather than just assuming all the fourth liners willt ake that role

 

[Crease]

Actually real interested in the idea of players like Kakko getting PK time. If he's not gonna get PP time then getting more minutes on the PK might be a way to go rather than just assuming all the fourth liners willt ake that role

I’m allergic to the idea of top six forwards getting PK time, because of injury risk.

 

[mas0764]

Dom specifically does talk about how his model has trouble with a team like the Rangers and he tries to give some context as to why, how it might be wrong, and says that the Rangers are a real good candidate to outperform his model.

Basically the Rangers 5v5 numbers and previous history of missing the playoffs, combined with a model that might not be able to accurately predict the growth of players like Lafreniere and Kakko, gives you this kind of result.

So, to some extent he's absolutely right that the Rangers need to improve 5v5, they shouldn't rely on Shesterkin to have historically good seasons every year, and that real positive growth from their young players that isn't accurately reflected in the model (combined with their talent being able to over perform the model) means that this could easily be an inaccurate view of the Rangers next season.

The model tells you a lot without being able to predict breakouts.

For what it’s worth I would be substantially higher on the Rangers just from the eye test but without thinking they are in the top tier of potential Cup winners.

 

[HockeyBasedNYC]

Actually real interested in the idea of players like Kakko getting PK time. If he's not gonna get PP time then getting more minutes on the PK might be a way to go rather than just assuming all the fourth liners willt ake that role

Yes.

And if we look back this helped both Buch and Mika round out their games. It's so important to get the kids more time, no matter what capacity it is nstead of sitting on the bench.

With a kid line in the "3rd" spot, you could have long stretches of back to back powerplays for each team and get caught in-between lines. Sometimes players from the 3rd and 4th lines wont see the ice upwards of 10 minute stretch of game, or more. Freezes your legs up

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Yeah I think goals 3-5 were stoppable with Andersson, one of the best goalies last year in his own right. Maybe not all of them but that game might not get away from them like it did otherwise.

Even if it doesn't getaway from them, they're still going to lose as they in that game, had trouble scoring as they did all series long.

Throwing 4 and 5 into the "stoppable" category is a stretch and a half. I bet he lets in at least one of them.

 

[Levitate]

I’m allergic to the idea of top six forwards getting PK time, because of injury risk.

We already have Zibanejad and Kreider doing it and doing it pretty well. Buchnevich took off with that added responsibility.

When it comes down to it you're basically just giving your best players more icetime, even if it's asking them to play at a disadvantage

 

[leetch99]

I absolutely think goaltending let Carolina down, especially in Game 7.

I guess I don’t know enough about Jarry’s late season performance to say one way or the other but it sure feels like facing a third string goalie is better than facing the first or second stringer. Saying that stuff doesn’t matter seems disingenuous.

When Trouba cleaned the clock of that young kid Jarvis , and nobody retaliated.....they were a beat club . Plus Jarvis was always a real offensive catalyst for the Canes.....great young player . That IMO was the TSN turning point .

 

[redwhiteandblue]

Huh?

Rangers goals in that game were as follows.

1 - Fox snipe on PP (goalie was screened)
2 - Kreider tip on PP (No one is stopping this)
3 - Strome on 2 v 1 - Maybe this is stopped by a better goalie
4 - Kreider breakaway
5 - Chytil breakaway
6 - Copp ENG.

Doesn't change the fact that they scored 2 goals in this game, and one of them was garbage time when the game was over.

Game 6? Yeah Raanta let up 2 stinkers.

One of the best games I've ever been to.

Met a guy the other day through work who was also at the game, luckily it didn't effect work.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

I’m allergic to the idea of top six forwards getting PK time, because of injury risk.

What bothers me about it is that then they are tired when we are back to even strength, or worse if we get a pp immediately after a pk. Id prefer 4 pk guys not on pp1 atleast so that we can ride the momentum of a kill with our bes t players

When Trouba cleaned the clock of that young kid Jarvis , and nobody retaliated.....they were a beat club . Plus Jarvis was always a real offensive catalyst for the Canes.....great young player . That IMO was the TSN turning point .

For all the crap Trouba got after last season he certainly changed that series and the pitsburgh one.

 

[SA16]

I’m allergic to the idea of top six forwards getting PK time, because of injury risk.

Something like 33 "Top 6" forwards got at least 90s of 4v5 time per game last year. Just looking at the list and manually crossing out guys that weren't really top 6. The had a average of 76 games played and a median of 77. Where is this injury risk?

 

[kovazub94]

So far I only looked at Vesey as an option for the 4th line. Even there he's got / shown an advantage over his peers.

But if Gallant's template for the lines starts with:

Kreider - Zibanejad - X
Panarin - Trocheck - X
Kids Line (assume Gallant wants to do all in his power to not break up)
X - Goodrow - Reaves

and Blais & Kravtsov underperforms hten Vesey also becomes a short term option to plug-in there in top-6. Definitely not advocating for it but with this background I'd reluctantly put Vesey there, but definitely with no hesitation over someone like Hunt or Gauthier, etc.

 

[IDvsEGO]

So far I only looked at Vesey as an option for the 4th line. Even there he's got / shown an advantage over his peers.

But if Gallant's template for the lines starts with:

Kreider - Zibanejad - X
Panarin - Trocheck - X
Kids Line (assume Gallant wants to do all in his power to not break up)
X - Goodrow - Reaves

and Blais & Kravtsov underperforms hten Vesey also becomes a short term option to plug-in there in top-6. Definitely not advocating for it but with this background I'd reluctantly put Vesey there, but definitely with no hesitation over someone like Hunt or Gauthier, etc.

I think Kakko took the first line, and Laf the second.
Third line is possibly the spot he can fit if he beats out blais and Othmann. If not he slides into the 4th line, which I’m fine with. He’s had a good camp, and earned a spot.

 

[Crease]

Something like 33 "Top 6" forwards got at least 90s of 4v5 time per game last year. Just looking at the list and manually crossing out guys that weren't really top 6. The had a average of 76 games played and a median of 77. Where is this injury risk?

I guess I still have PTSD from Callahan breaking his foot blocking a meaningless Chara clapper in Game 82.

 

[effen]

So far I only looked at Vesey as an option for the 4th line. Even there he's got / shown an advantage over his peers.

But if Gallant's template for the lines starts with:

Kreider - Zibanejad - X
Panarin - Trocheck - X
Kids Line (assume Gallant wants to do all in his power to not break up)
X - Goodrow - Reaves

and Blais & Kravtsov underperforms hten Vesey also becomes a short term option to plug-in there in top-6. Definitely not advocating for it but with this background I'd reluctantly put Vesey there, but definitely with no hesitation over someone like Hunt or Gauthier, etc.

Vesey outperforming Blais and Kravtsov would be..
Um..
Oh yeah
GALLANTS FAULT

 

[kovazub94]

I think Kakko took the first line, and Laf the second.
Third line is possibly the spot he can fit if he beats out blais and Othmann. If not he slides into the 4th line, which I’m fine with. He’s had a good camp, and earned a spot.

Yeah I painted a more dire picture but at this point it's pretty much a given that the Rangers will try to sign Vesey if he takes the league minimum, maybe with some small bonus incentives.

 

[IDvsEGO]

Yeah I painted a more dire picture but at this point it's pretty much a given that the Rangers will try to sign Vesey if he takes the league minimum, maybe with some small bonus incentives.

Considering he took a pto as opposed to a guaranteed deal from a non contender, I’d think he probably takes a league min deal.

 

[Greg02]

I’m allergic to the idea of top six forwards getting PK time, because of injury risk.

But what does that have to do with players like Kakko?

Sorry, it's just sitting there.

 

[bobbop]

These are most likely extremely conservative 'baseline' estimates.

Turner is going to grow the game exponentially IMO.

low 90's in '24
high 90's in '25

I fixed this for you.

ESPN coverage of NHL sucked in 2021-22

 

[McRanger92]

Huh?

Rangers goals in that game were as follows.

1 - Fox snipe on PP (goalie was screened)
2 - Kreider tip on PP (No one is stopping this)
3 - Strome on 2 v 1 - Maybe this is stopped by a better goalie
4 - Kreider breakaway
5 - Chytil breakaway
6 - Copp ENG.

Doesn't change the fact that they scored 2 goals in this game, and one of them was garbage time when the game was over.

Game 6? Yeah Raanta let up 2 stinkers.

Carolina also didnt score at all in that series. Miss me with the revisionist crap that a different goalie would've changed anything. Especially with noted choker Freddie Anderson, who rumor has it was annoying Canes people because they couldn't get him out of the tub when the chips were down. At least Jarry had the balls to get in the ring against us in G7 against PIT

 

[McRanger92]

Dom L's model can say all it wants (and most of it is not inherently wrong, just lacking context) but the way I look at the Rangers is that their core is as good as anyone's in the league, outside of maybe Colorado, and it's not like other teams don't have just as many question mark as we do. The Avs themselves are putting their faith in Alex Georgiev of all people

 

[LiveLongandProspal]

I miss Zucc so much

 

[Casper The Soy Ghost]

You just think he's wise because he looks like an owl.

LMFAO, I can't unsee this now.