Shesterkybomb
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Speculation: Roster Building Thread: New Season Edition
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The Rangers need one or two of the young guns to step up their scoring. Trocheck and Panarin will be fine. If one or two of the kids break out there will be enough goals.
Carpenter skates like an old lady. I wasn't expecting much but he worries me. Rydahl looks like he could be the real deal.
Carpenter skates like an old lady. I wasn't expecting much but he worries me. Rydahl looks like he could be the real deal.
Raspewtin
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regardless of what I think of these models or game score or whatever the f*** the Rangers need their top pick forwards to uhhhhhh actually score. since they don't do that, it is more than fair to say our depth sucks. it very much does.
Machinehead
HFNYR MVP
I mean, you can acknowledge that we can lean on Shesterkin and also see that we have a much, much better chance of winning the Cup (which is obviously very hard) if we don't.
The Lightning have the other best goalie in the world and he also has by far the easiest job in the league. It takes both. It adds layers to the way you can beat a team.
So when people say "we rely too much on Shesterkin" replying "well, he's on the team" isn't really challenging their point.
The Lightning have the other best goalie in the world and he also has by far the easiest job in the league. It takes both. It adds layers to the way you can beat a team.
So when people say "we rely too much on Shesterkin" replying "well, he's on the team" isn't really challenging their point.
TheBloodyNine
Pure Bred Soviet Savage
Realistically none of those packages. I recall Gordie Clarke saying in 2010 when the Rangers had the 10th pick that to get from 10 to 1 they would have had to have traded Henrik. And that was for Taylor Hall.
17futurecap
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Such a sad league, the NBA cap is going to 134 million/162 at the tax level next summer, and they are then getting a huge new tv deal in 2025.
mrmovies779
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The NBA is way more popular and makes much more money,so that's no surprise
redwhiteandblue
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Not sure I buy that. Just because it's a bridge deal, doesn't mean a player can't give you a deal on it. Bridge deals cover cost controlled RFA years, there's still some sort of precedent for some players to be paid better in those years. So Key could give us a break on those two years.
It would also help us to not buy-out UFA years in the now, since a 6 year deal that would cover his first 3 or 4 years of UFA. That would raise his cap hit substantially. We could forego that but it could cost us more. I'm not 100% on how many more years of RFA he has after this one, but there would maybe be a 1 years overlap with the end of Trouba's contract and his first year of UFA.
Someone smarter than me could probably tell us that though haha.
DanielBrassard
It's all so tiresome
Yeah I was surprised, expectations were the cap was gonna skyrocket after they paid off the debt but instead we are going to see the typical increase. Didn't John Shannon say he thought it would go up almost 10M in 24? He's not the most reliable but based on these projections it won't even go up 10m in 2 years
Thirty One
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You just think he's wise because he looks like an owl.
17futurecap
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100%, I just think it's sad this league isn't touching 100 milllion, in checks notes, at least 5 years time.
Chytilmania
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Having Igor guarantees us at least 90 points (not all from him). Any little improvement from the kids and/or 5v5 and we are a powerhouse.
Shannon said as much as $10M in two years. Frank Seravalli said the salary cap would increase by $8M-$10M in two years. The NHL projection has the cap going up by $4M-$4.5M in 2024 and another $4M increase in 2025.
Crease
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The 2024 free agents will make out like bandits. Comps will not matter. Teams are going to fill up all their shiny new cap space with that group. Same thing in 2025.
KirkAlbuquerque
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its actually nuts how little goal scoring depth we got last season. Kreider had 52, then i think only 2 others had 20 and nobody (not even Zib) hit 30 which is insane considering 51 NHL players had at least 30 last season. Hopefully we have a better spread this season... Zib and Panarin need to start shooting because they are both capable of 30 minimum, Zib more like 40.
TominNC
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Makes analytics appear useless.
It can't predict this, it can't predict that, goalies = "shrug". Then keep your nonsense to yourself.
They're basically telling us what happened last year, with no clue for the future. Prospects never breakout. blash blah blh.
More simply, how many teams in the division can finish ahead of the Rangers? ONE - Carolina. The rest are aging has beens or youth with no established players.
Dom can go choke on his model.
HockeyBasedNYC
Feeling it
So we are looking at the upper limits being:
22-23 - 82.5
23-24 - 83.5
24-25 ~ 87.5
25-26 ~ 92.0
Its nice that almost 3.5 in dead buyout comes off the books at the end of this season as well. Its like the cap goes up 4.5 next year for the Rangers, if you want to look at it that way. Theyll need it
22-23 - 82.5
23-24 - 83.5
24-25 ~ 87.5
25-26 ~ 92.0
Its nice that almost 3.5 in dead buyout comes off the books at the end of this season as well. Its like the cap goes up 4.5 next year for the Rangers, if you want to look at it that way. Theyll need it
Model has us only ahead of LA and St. Louis in terms of last years playoff teams.
But again, these models are just one thing to think about. At least one team that is projected to suck will be good and vice versa. Probably multiple. Rangers will move up the model standings if they get more shots and more 5v5 goals. It really is just that ultimately with these things. Everything else is window dressing.
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I absolutely think goaltending let Carolina down, especially in Game 7.
I guess I don’t know enough about Jarry’s late season performance to say one way or the other but it sure feels like facing a third string goalie is better than facing the first or second stringer. Saying that stuff doesn’t matter seems disingenuous.
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I tend to think the elite teams are elite at 5v5, or at least pretty good at it. So much of the game is played at 5v5.
Igor posting an all time season can’t be a feature.
I’m usually pro-owner in these negotiations but I agree, how can hockey revenue not be up more with those TV deals? Something stinks.
Dom specifically does talk about how his model has trouble with a team like the Rangers and he tries to give some context as to why, how it might be wrong, and says that the Rangers are a real good candidate to outperform his model.
Basically the Rangers 5v5 numbers and previous history of missing the playoffs, combined with a model that might not be able to accurately predict the growth of players like Lafreniere and Kakko, gives you this kind of result.
So, to some extent he's absolutely right that the Rangers need to improve 5v5, they shouldn't rely on Shesterkin to have historically good seasons every year, and that real positive growth from their young players that isn't accurately reflected in the model (combined with their talent being able to over perform the model) means that this could easily be an inaccurate view of the Rangers next season.
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Maybe relying on Shesterkin is why we didn’t win the Cup.
I recall reading something, maybe posted from someone on this board, that owners are nervous about a big cap increase because of the contracts that will follow (which is asinine since it's supposed to be linked to revenue so if your cap is going up then it should be because you're getting the money to cover those increases...but NHL gonna NHL)
Huh?
Rangers goals in that game were as follows.
1 - Fox snipe on PP (goalie was screened)
2 - Kreider tip on PP (No one is stopping this)
3 - Strome on 2 v 1 - Maybe this is stopped by a better goalie
4 - Kreider breakaway
5 - Chytil breakaway
6 - Copp ENG.
Doesn't change the fact that they scored 2 goals in this game, and one of them was garbage time when the game was over.
Game 6? Yeah Raanta let up 2 stinkers.
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