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Rydahl does not require waivers, the question is whither or not he either will stay or not should he not make the NHL team.

He is on a one way contract, yet that only means he will get paid the same regrdless if in the NHL or AHL, whether or not that sways him to stay is a different question.
 
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My Rangers roster for 22-23

Zibanjead
Kreider
Lafy
Chytil
Kakko
Vesey
Rydahl (winning faceoffs will help his cause)
Othmann (9 games to see if he can hack it which I think he can)
Goodrow
Trocheck
Panarin
Reaves
Blais
Kravtsov

Lindgren Fox
Miller Trouba
Jones Schneider
Hajek

Shesterkin
Halak

Get rid of Carpenter, Hunt, Gauthier, Brodzidinski.

14 forwards 7 defense. 2 goalies 23 man roster
 
So after digesting the salary cap projections today, I am thinking a) Lafreniere and Miller may be offered one year bridge deals (with healthy extensions following the next January) when the cap starts to move up; b) there’s probably not room for both Kravtsov and Chytil to get long term deals. May the better man win. And c) depending on their ability to pull off “a”, Lindgren and Goodrow are at some risk however they will do their best to keep both.
 
So after digesting the salary cap projections today, I am thinking a) Lafreniere and Miller may be offered one year bridge deals (with healthy extensions following the next January) when the cap starts to move up; b) there’s probably not room for both Kravtsov and Chytil to get long term deals. May the better man win. And c) depending on their ability to pull off “a”, Lindgren and Goodrow are at some risk however they will do their best to keep both.

Or we could move just one player to keep four others long term.
 
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So after digesting the salary cap projections today, I am thinking a) Lafreniere and Miller may be offered one year bridge deals (with healthy extensions following the next January) when the cap starts to move up; b) there’s probably not room for both Kravtsov and Chytil to get long term deals. May the better man win. And c) depending on their ability to pull off “a”, Lindgren and Goodrow are at some risk however they will do their best to keep both.

I see Goodrow being moved in a year or two. He was a culture builder like Reaves but he’s aging and his contract won’t be hard to get out of. He’s not irreplaceable.

Also, if there’s one thing I’m not currently worried about it’s a Kravtsov extension. Do literally anything at the NHL level first.
 
Helmets! He don’t need no stinkin helmet.
This many days till opening night:
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My Rangers roster for 22-23

Zibanjead
Kreider
Lafy
Chytil
Kakko
Vesey
Rydahl (winning faceoffs will help his cause)
Othmann (9 games to see if he can hack it which I think he can)
Goodrow
Trocheck
Panarin
Reaves
Blais
Kravtsov

Lindgren Fox
Miller Trouba
Jones Schneider
Hajek

Shesterkin
Halak

Get rid of Carpenter, Hunt, Gauthier, Brodzidinski.

14 forwards 7 defense. 2 goalies 23 man roster

If this team wants to have cap space to go after Kane or a similar contract at the deadline, it has to be 22 skaters, not 23.
 
If the Rangers cut Rydahl and Vesey they are stupid.

Carpenter has a long enough resume to prove he's useless, and the preseason has only shown it more.

Hunt is still as useless as he's always been.

Gauthier is the same exact player he's always been, all skating, no hands, no brains.

Rydahl and Vesey are good players, they can PK, they're engaged, not brain dead, and are cheap.

I can't fathom how the most simple logical decisions are always the hardest ones to make for this team.

Waive Carpenter, Hunt, and Gauthier.
Sign Vesey.
Keep Rydahl and Brodzinski.

Kreider - Zibanejad - Lafreniere
Panarin - Trocheck - Kravtsov
Blais - Chytil - Kakko
Goodrow - Rydahl - Vesey
Reaves, Brodzinski

Or whatever lines you want, but those should be the forwards on the 23 man roster. If they're not then clearly merit means nothing and camp is pointless.

This team can buy out Lundqvist, Girardi, Shattenkirk, and Redden but they can't waive Ryan f'n Carpenter?
 
So after digesting the salary cap projections today, I am thinking a) Lafreniere and Miller may be offered one year bridge deals (with healthy extensions following the next January) when the cap starts to move up; b) there’s probably not room for both Kravtsov and Chytil to get long term deals. May the better man win. And c) depending on their ability to pull off “a”, Lindgren and Goodrow are at some risk however they will do their best to keep both.
If Robertson doesn’t get any playing time this season I would love a tryout next year where Lindgren (and Goodrow) gets LTIRed and have Jones and Robertson battle it out the entire season to see who makes third pairing in the playoffs. Then it also gives us an idea how Fox plays without Lindgren. We need Lindgren and Goodrow for playoff runs not regular season. Also let’s us add Cuylle/Berard to the lineup and helps bridge Miller and Laf.
 
If the Rangers cut Rydahl and Vesey they are stupid.

Carpenter has a long enough resume to prove he's useless, and the preseason has only shown it more.

Hunt is still as useless as he's always been.

Gauthier is the same exact player he's always been, all skating, no hands, no brains.

Rydahl and Vesey are good players, they can PK, they're engaged, not brain dead, and are cheap.

I can't fathom how the most simple logical decisions are always the hardest ones to make for this team.

Waive Carpenter, Hunt, and Gauthier.
Sign Vesey.
Keep Rydahl and Brodzinski.

Kreider - Zibanejad - Lafreniere
Panarin - Trocheck - Kravtsov
Blais - Chytil - Kakko
Goodrow - Rydahl - Vesey
Reaves, Brodzinski

Or whatever lines you want, but those should be the forwards on the 23 man roster. If they're not then clearly merit means nothing and camp is pointless.

This team can buy out Lundqvist, Girardi, Shattenkirk, and Redden but they can't waive Ryan f'n Carpenter?
I don't think they need to keep Brodzinski on the NHL roster, he will clear waivers, Carpenter, Hunt also would probably clear too. It helps them accrue cap space by carrying only 13F, and they could always paper transaction Rydahl up and down to save a little more.

Other than that, I agree.
 
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I really think the missing piece is project to go either 2nd or 3rd this year- C- Adam Fantilli

Realistically what would it take to get the 2nd overall pick at the 2023 draft to draft him?

Chytil, Dallas #1 and NYR #1 ?
Kakko Dallas #1 and NYR #1 ?
Chytil, Kakko and NYR #1 ?
Chytil, Kakko and Dallas #1?

would both players and both picks be enough?
Fantilli screams early bloomer to me. Dude had a full beard at 16. Don’t see the ceiling there
 
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If the Rangers cut Rydahl and Vesey they are stupid.

Carpenter has a long enough resume to prove he's useless, and the preseason has only shown it more.

Hunt is still as useless as he's always been.

Gauthier is the same exact player he's always been, all skating, no hands, no brains.

Rydahl and Vesey are good players, they can PK, they're engaged, not brain dead, and are cheap.

I can't fathom how the most simple logical decisions are always the hardest ones to make for this team.

Waive Carpenter, Hunt, and Gauthier.
Sign Vesey.
Keep Rydahl and Brodzinski.

Kreider - Zibanejad - Lafreniere
Panarin - Trocheck - Kravtsov
Blais - Chytil - Kakko
Goodrow - Rydahl - Vesey
Reaves, Brodzinski

Or whatever lines you want, but those should be the forwards on the 23 man roster. If they're not then clearly merit means nothing and camp is pointless.

This team can buy out Lundqvist, Girardi, Shattenkirk, and Redden but they can't waive Ryan f'n Carpenter?
After watching the first two games I agree with you. Was gonna come on and say the same thing.

Rydahl and Vesey have both stood out and made a noticeable impact, even if it's just two games. You invite these guys to come into camp to try to win a job and push the competition level up around them. They are doing just that but the other people they are pushing arent pushing back.

To me, Vesey is an easy, slam dunk choice to make the team. He has the most experience with over 400 NHL games, has a good skill set, has played with the Rangers already so theres familiarity there with the media, training facility, etc, etc. That isnt totally important but it helps. Bottom line is what hes shown on the ice is a player who can help this team and is more skilled and intelligent with and without the puck than Hunt & Gauthier. Its plain to see and I will no longer call him Jimmy. He has graduated to JIM.

With Rydahl, we've only seen two games but its been what this team needs. There was a clamouring to re-sign Motte and Rydahl provides almost everything he provided, speed, PK, good stick - except hes 5 inches taller and 10-15 pounds heavier, likely more durable and he can play center and win faceoffs and thats huge. Yes Motte has the experience over him, but Rydahl comes in at 600K less.

Othmann
Gauthier
Hunt
Carpenter
Brodzinski
Reaves
Trivigno
Cuylle

We know Reaves will be on the roster. But your 4th line is light years ahead of what we saw early last year when they had to send out the likes of McKegg and Gettinger. Im fine with Brodz making the club and sticking around even if he doesnt play all of the time. Gallant trusted him with a spot start in the playoffs, hes got wheels and heavy shot and can play up and down the lineup if needed. He's a better player than Hunt, Gauthier & Carpenter who are one dimensional and have more weak points in their games. Hes a better player. Its clear.

Rydahl and Brodz can easily be brought up and down as mentioned above. Thats where it gets tricky with the cap. But I'd love to see Rydahl make this team. And to me, at the very least Vesey should be on the 4th line and written in ink.

Othmann would get his games if it were another team with less depth. He wont this time unless theres an injury. Cuylle will start in Hartford. Trivigno has heart, but shouldve signed with another team because he is too undersized and has too many guys to leapfrog.
 
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If the Rangers cut Rydahl and Vesey they are stupid.

Carpenter has a long enough resume to prove he's useless, and the preseason has only shown it more.

Hunt is still as useless as he's always been.

Gauthier is the same exact player he's always been, all skating, no hands, no brains.

Rydahl and Vesey are good players, they can PK, they're engaged, not brain dead, and are cheap.

I can't fathom how the most simple logical decisions are always the hardest ones to make for this team.

Waive Carpenter, Hunt, and Gauthier.
Sign Vesey.
Keep Rydahl and Brodzinski.

Kreider - Zibanejad - Lafreniere
Panarin - Trocheck - Kravtsov
Blais - Chytil - Kakko
Goodrow - Rydahl - Vesey
Reaves, Brodzinski

Or whatever lines you want, but those should be the forwards on the 23 man roster. If they're not then clearly merit means nothing and camp is pointless.

This team can buy out Lundqvist, Girardi, Shattenkirk, and Redden but they can't waive Ryan f'n Carpenter?

Brodzinski is a nice AHL call up but he’s not making the team to start . Captain in Hartford .

No way Hunt is waived
 
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Really wish Rydahl would be given a shot on thr opening night roster of he keeps playing like this through the rest of the preseason.

Hes exactly what this team needs on thr 4th line from what we've seen so far (albeit a small sample size).

Then you have 3 main PKers in Vesey, Goodrow and Rydahl. That's half of the PK players you need. Also reduces the amount of PK minutes the top line players need to take.
 
Goodrow can be bought out next summer and the Rangers receive a $200,000 cap credit for 23-24.
He can also be LTIRed all season

As for UAGoalie's point about Rydahl- you have to think he's the first guy up in case of injury. As a previous poster noted he's in a good spot where he will still be earning roughly double in the AHL what he would in Europe.

We can afford to be patient, there will be injuries. I know Carpenter isn't popular but he was brought in as an affordable downgrade on Kevin Rooney.

Whether Vesey makes the team over Hunt is I think the big conversation at the forward position. Jones-Hajek-Robertson is a good contest on the blueline but i'd be shocked if Jones doesn't make the team. Really think Vesey-Hunt is the important contest here.
 
The Athletic has the Rangers at a 64% chance to make the playoffs. Aside from the top two lines, the rest of the team is in the same league as Chicago and Buffalo. Last year was basically a mirage because the team has sucked in the years prior to last, and Igor stood on his head. Their projections take into account that none of the kids do much more aside from maybe Key, and that Igor regresses. If the Rangers won the cup last year, their "rank" would be exactly the same.

Basically: not a "real" 100 point team, no scoring outside Kreider and Zib, no depth, and Igor is too good.

So for the analytical crowd to give the team respect, they will probably need to make the playoffs a few more years in a row, a few of the kids get out of their negative ratings AND get WORSE goaltending. As strange as that sounds, the Rangers would have been higher in their rankings if Igor sucked but they scored more.
 
The Athletic has the Rangers at a 64% chance to make the playoffs. Aside from the top two lines, the rest of the team is in the same league as Chicago and Buffalo. Last year was basically a mirage because the team has sucked in the years prior to last, and Igor stood on his head. Their projections take into account that none of the kids do much more aside from maybe Key, and that Igor regresses. If the Rangers won the cup last year, their "rank" would be exactly the same.

Basically: not a "real" 100 point team, no scoring outside Kreider, no depth, and Igor is too good.

So for the analytical crowd to give the team respect, they will probably need to make the playoffs a few more years in a row, a few of the kids get out of their negative ratings AND get WORSE goaltending. As strange as that sounds, the Rangers would have been higher in their rankings if Igor sucked but they scored more.
"The model doesn’t think it’ll happen because it can’t predict a breakout."

Thats literally the case for like 6 young players on this team. One or two at the very least will outperform the prediction, thus throwing a wrench in the entire thing. But I'm glad the expectations are low. This team proved what they could do and now they all carry that experience into another year, with the same Vezina goaltender.
 
The Athletic has the Rangers at a 64% chance to make the playoffs. Aside from the top two lines, the rest of the team is in the same league as Chicago and Buffalo. Last year was basically a mirage because the team has sucked in the years prior to last, and Igor stood on his head. Their projections take into account that none of the kids do much more aside from maybe Key, and that Igor regresses. If the Rangers won the cup last year, their "rank" would be exactly the same.

Basically: not a "real" 100 point team, no scoring outside Kreider and Zib, no depth, and Igor is too good.

So for the analytical crowd to give the team respect, they will probably need to make the playoffs a few more years in a row, a few of the kids get out of their negative ratings AND get WORSE goaltending. As strange as that sounds, the Rangers would have been higher in their rankings if Igor sucked but they scored more.

That entire article was awful
 
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