Speculation: Roster Building Thread: New Season Edition

[McRanger92]

Summer 2024 is not going to be a problem. We're probably going to see a pretty big jump in the cap.

Next year is only an issue if someone really pops. Regardless, I don't think all those guys will be here 2 years from now with Lindgren being the most likely to be moved bc the cap is stupid.

I dont spend a ton of time worrying about the future cap. They are already positioning Goodrow to be the LTIR fall guy anyway. Important player for the next couple years but hes got tons of playoff mileage and slow playing the ankle injury is a sign...

 

[HockeyBasedNYC]

Summer 2024 is not going to be a problem. We're probably going to see a pretty big jump in the cap.

Next year is only an issue if someone really pops. Regardless, I don't think all those guys will be here 2 years from now with Lindgren being the most likely to be moved bc the cap is stupid.

Lets hope theres a jump.

Miller is looking like hes approaching a Norris-lite convo.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Expecting Miller *not* to pop is basically just hoping he gets injured, at this point. Because if he stays healthy, he's popping. Really popping.

I don't think hes going to put up the raw numbers that come with a really fat contract though.

You need PP time for that and he isn't going to get that here. If he puts up 40 points with out PP time thats a different story but that would make him one of the top ES producers in the league at his position.

 

[JohnC]

I don’t think Miller puts up the points he’d need to put up to “pop” in a way that would affect contract talks. He’ll get his ES minutes and points, but I’d still expect PP2 to be a complete non-entity this year which will keep the points down a lot.

 

[IDvsEGO]

It's getting a little scary that Miller, Lafreniere & Chytil all need new contracts this summer and Kakko, Schneider and Lindgren the year after.

so the year after this, cap shouldn’t be an issue, as the cap will jump. Next year Is the absolute last possible flat cap, assuming revenue is flat from last year, which is unlikely.
Next year will entirely depend on the nhl owners making a decision on bumping the cap pre-emptively to avoid a 10-15m cap jump.

 

[Fitzy]

Its called being a good team. Its ultimately a good problem to have

It can be. By all means we've spent to the cap before and not accomplished a good team due to underperforming UFA signings (Redden, Drury, etc.)

Right now only Trouba and Goodrow are overpaid on this team. Everyone else is making just about fair money except Kreider who last year was a major bargain.

 

[bhamill]

The forward group is deep and talented and the lines will work themselves out, but the Rangers big need is more defense. We are 1 top 4 injury away from Hajek and 3 rookies making up our top 7 NHL D. No bueno for a team with Cup aspirations. RB has been pushing this agenda for a few weeks and he's 100% right.

I'm sure it will be addressed at the TDL. Probably no need before that, unless there's multiple or LTIR types injuries in the top 4.

 

[Savant]

Gavrikov

That is a tough trade to make in division. Especially because they probably cannot re-sign him

think you have to look at Seattle or Detroit to rent a guy

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Let Jones play til the deadline and assess our needs there then imo, no hurry to add a dman or a forward. If we are invested in Jones he needs to play now.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

That is a tough trade to make in division. Especially because they probably cannot re-sign him

think you have to look at Seattle or Detroit to rent a guy

You're not wrong, but if he could be had, he's the guy. Jarmo is a wheeler-dealer.

 

[Fitzy]

Let Jones play til the deadline and assess our needs there then imo, no hurry to add a dman or a forward. If we are invested in Jones he needs to play now.

Yeah and we can still easily make the playoffs while asking players to step up, it's only if its an injury heading into the playoffs where that becomes risky.

We could LTIR Lindgren all season if we wanted and the team should still be in the postseason.

 

[Savant]

You're not wrong, but if he could be had, he's the guy. Jarmo is a wheeler-dealer.

I’m sure, but Columbus are also accelerating and I doubt they want to trade him/probably wants to sign him back. So I’m not trading a 2023 1st in division for a guy they can’t keep.

Would rather try to get Maatta or Soucy

 

[brians1128]

The Rangers do not have many options on defense. Hajek wasn't bad last night. He failed to clear the puck in the 2nd period on one sequence. Jones gives you what you expect. He can skate and move the puck. We have not see Robertson yet.

At the trade deadline, the Rangers can acquire a veteran D depending upon how much cap space they can accrue during the season. Sanheim. Soucy.

The Rangers can fill the #6/#7 spots on D with some combination of Jones/Hajek and Robertson/Hajek until the trade deadline.

Is a waiver pick up better? Mark Friedman? He has a $775,000 cap hit for the next two seasons. Pittsburgh has eight defensemen.

Gavrikov out of Columbus. Go talk to old friend JD

 

[RangerBoy]

These are the projected numbers.

 

[Sockosensei]

At the trade deadline, the Rangers can acquire a veteran D depending upon how much cap space they can accrue during the season.

This is a blessing, in my mind. Force them to play one of the young guys now and see what we actually have.

It might be bumpy in October. Smoother in November. By December we'll be thankful.

 

[SRHRangers]

Krieder-Zibs-Othmann.

Bread-Trochek-Krav.

Kid line.

Goodrow-Ryhdal-Blas.

Let's go

 

[Crease]

Bit of a logjam for the final two forwards spots. Goodrow and Reaves are locks to make the roster so all that’s left is 12th and 13th forwards.

Hunt, Carpenter, Vesey, Gauthier, Rydahl, Brodzinski. Am I forgetting anyone? Nice to have options I guess. Can any of these guys realistically be stowed away in Hartford until injuries? And by the way this all assumes no one else surprises and makes the team (e.g. Othmann).

 

[RGY]

Bit of a logjam for the final two forwards spots. Goodrow and Reaves are locks to make the roster so all that’s left is 12th and 13th forwards.

Hunt, Carpenter, Vesey, Gauthier, Rydahl, Brodzinski. Am I forgetting anyone? Nice to have options I guess. Can any of these guys realistically be stowed away in Hartford until injuries? And by the way this all assumes no one else surprises and makes the team (e.g. Othmann).

I have Vesey and Carpenter making it.

They will try to pass Hunt and Rydahl through waivers to HFD. They will want Rydahl to make it through for sure.

Uncertain if Brodzinski has to go through waivers

Trade Gauthier for a draft pick.

 

[mas0764]

I can’t predict the future, but how big of a sample size does one need before we can say “the results speak for themselves.”

It’s dictated by logic and logic says we were a bad team at 5v5 that relied most of the season on great a power play and a Vezina goalie.

The results do speak for themselves. That’s what happened and we need to improve our 5v5 play cause Shesterkin likely won’t save .935 again.

I have Vesey and Carpenter making it.

They will try to pass Hunt and Rydahl through waivers to HFD. They will want Rydahl to make it through for sure.

Uncertain if Brodzinski has to go through waivers

Trade Gauthier for a draft pick.

Prefer Rydahl to Carpenter.

 

[mas0764]

Summer 2024 is not going to be a problem. We're probably going to see a pretty big jump in the cap.

Next year is only an issue if someone really pops. Regardless, I don't think all those guys will be here 2 years from now with Lindgren being the most likely to be moved bc the cap is stupid.

It’s a shame because Lindgren defends better than Trouba and is cheaper.

 

[bobbop]

I have Vesey and Carpenter making it.

They will try to pass Hunt and Rydahl through waivers to HFD. They will want Rydahl to make it through for sure.

Uncertain if Brodzinski has to go through waivers

Trade Gauthier for a draft pick.

Rydahl doesn't require waivers

 

[bleedblue94]

These are the projected numbers.

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This is in line with what I have been saying for months, and while the small jumps are nice they do nothing to mitigate the looming long term issues here bc top players due contracts aren't taking cuts to help spread the wealth. The players want to get paid, they want their cut and to cash in when they have the opportunity. I don't blame them for it at all, but people need to stop diluting themselves that our players arent going to be paid in line with the percentage of cap hit rather then being paid in dollars that are comparable to salaries prior to the bump. Players are eyeing this increase to cash in, not help gms build teams...

 

[RGY]

It’s dictated by logic and logic says we were a bad team at 5v5 that relied most of the season on great a power play and a Vezina goalie.

The results do speak for themselves. That’s what happened and we need to improve our 5v5 play cause Shesterkin likely won’t save .935 again.



Prefer Rydahl to Carpenter.

I am leaning towards Rydahl as well, but I think they will go with Carpenter to start and hope that Rydahl doesn’t go back to Sweden. As @bobbop just corrected me, Rydahl does not require waivers.

I also dont think the difference between Carpenter and Rydahl is significant.

 

[egelband]

I hear ya, but Key seems to be pretty bought in to what's going on. It's not a stretch to say he loves being a Ranger, and he seems to be a pretty smart kid. I don't think it would take too much of a sell job to pitch him playing on a perennial Cup contender for the next 3 years with the guy he's gushing about, and still being due a massive raise once we happen to have a ton of money to spend.

In most cases, I'm for the pro player getting paid. Especially in the NFL, they get pretty screwed out of their real value (or used to). In this case, I can see a team friendly bridge deal playing out for sure. I certainly wouldn't be surprised to see it be 3 years too.

If Miller is going to give any discount it would be on 7-8 year deal. Bridge deals don't come with discounts as far as I'm aware.

 

[bleedblue94]

If Miller is going to give any discount it would be on 7-8 year deal. Bridge deals don't come with discounts as far as I'm aware.

He would be an idiot to sign for term next summer with the cap jump coming unless he is getting overpaid. We can't afford term on Miller right now anyways at current rates, and this is before Miller has to opportunity this year to further develop his offense. If he does that he is suddenly an extremely expensive defenseman (and he should be)