Speculation: Roster Building Thread: New Season Edition

[RangerBoy]

Patience.

 

[haohmaru]

Patience.

You'd think I'd be happy that two Rangers are in the top 10 of something.

 

[GENESISPuck94]

What results? He's been better this year than in previous years. His play hasn't been a problem. If by results you mean he's scoring less that is just because he was never going to shoot 18% longterm.

And, once again, it's been 12 games. He's 21 years old and in his third season. How do you propose he goes about learning to play the right side if he never actually does it? Of course he's more comfortable on the left. He's played it his whole life. That is why the team employs a coaching staff. If they're incapable of teaching him how to play on the right and what his responsibilities are then they aren't doing their jobs. Players switch back and forth all the time yet somehow for the Rangers it's almost an impossibility to even consider.

You can just never win. In the past the argument was he wasn't getting enough ice time. Now, that no longer applies since he's 17th in the league in 5v5 TOI/game so the argument shifts to how he can't play the right side. If you're expecting him to get a top 6 LW spot over Panarin or a guy who scored 52 goals last year, 20 at 5v5, and has been the first line LW I'm sorry your expectations are way out of line because no coach in the league would do that.

I agree. The only caveat I'd point out is that Lafreniere only scored one less 5v5 goal than Kreider. With far less ice time. I have no doubts if Laf were on PP1 he could have scored around 30 goals this season give or take.

But, I agree. He's playing well. The puck hasn't been going in. I don't think that will be the case forever. Eventually those shots and chances will go in.

Patience.

Some pretty good players on that list.

 

[BBKers]

How is a 6-5-1 record??? Asking for a '21-'22 Avalanche fan....


Surprised there hasn't been more talk of this. If Lindgren is indeed concussed, how do the Rangers not send the info to the league? In turn, how does the league not look closer at a way late blindside hit that resulted in a concussion and Boston is sitting there applauding him.


Also f*** Reaves. Deterrent my ass. The only thing he deters is competent play while he is on the ice. Great, he hits guys after the puck has already been sent up ice. No opponents have left the ice from his supposed devastating checks. Bruins weren't shitting there hockey pants when thinking about going at Ranger players in retaliation.

Good, the Ranger players needed a security blanket last year. Their all a year older. No other team needs a security blanket like Reaves. If they still need him then maybe the GM should think about getting rid of some more players in addition to Reaves.

All the league needs to do is listen to Pasta being interviewed on ESPN between the 1st and 2nd period.

 

[egelband]

All the league needs to do is listen to Pasta being interviewed on ESPN between the 1st and 2nd period.

yep. He was already pleading his case.
Had it been Lindgren chasing down and concussing Pasternak it’s a whole different story.
I thought this one was way worse than the one on Chytil since at least the Chytil one was in the course of play. Definitely a bad hit too but I don’t think the guy was hunting down Chytil.

 

[egelband]

How is a 6-5-1 record??? Asking for a '21-'22 Avalanche fan....


Surprised there hasn't been more talk of this. If Lindgren is indeed concussed, how do the Rangers not send the info to the league? In turn, how does the league not look closer at a way late blindside hit that resulted in a concussion and Boston is sitting there applauding him.


Also f*** Reaves. Deterrent my ass. The only thing he deters is competent play while he is on the ice. Great, he hits guys after the puck has already been sent up ice. No opponents have left the ice from his supposed devastating checks. Bruins weren't shitting there hockey pants when thinking about going at Ranger players in retaliation.

Good, the Ranger players needed a security blanket last year. Their all a year older. No other team needs a security blanket like Reaves. If they still need him then maybe the GM should think about getting rid of some more players in addition to Reaves.

I don’t dislike Reaves but I hear where you’re coming from.
And I totally agree the league is out to lunch and the Rangers should kick up more of a fuss.
Maybe they’re gun-shy following ‘the letter’. Too bad, the league needs to wake up.

 

[Roo Returns]

You guys know that the 6 Dmen not named Adam Fox have a total of 1 goal combined thru 12 games? That’s certainly not good enough. Kandre and Trouba especially these guys are too good to be sitting on zero goals

Kandre’s gotta do more offensively. He more than capable. This should be a breakout year for him.

Trouba used to have a shot. What happened? Remember his first year with the Rangers he was blasting that slap shot all the time? He didn't have a shoulder injury over the last 24 months like Leetch early in his career that impacted his velocity as far as I know.

It's almost like Gary Bettman and Vince McMahon met with him and said "you play for the Rangers now pal, we don't allow big shots here".

K'Andre's had a strange year so far. He looked so much more confident in the preseason.

 

[Ola]

Patience.

A few guys there who scored more than they should have the last season (seasons?).

I just want to say re. Kreider, our expectations should be around 25-35 goals.

 

[Roo Returns]

A few guys there who scored more than they should have the last season (seasons?).

I just want to say re. Kreider, our expectations should be around 25-35 goals.

Yeah I'm calling 22-25.

Last season was an outlier. Even Ron "All The Tools In The World" Duguay had a 40+ goal season and Kreider is essentially the descendant of Duguay and Kovalev.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

Kreider will never get close to 50 again

He’ll settle back into his 20 range and we’ll have to perpetually hear people yap about it

 

[Roo Returns]

The answer to the roster problem is easy, I still don't get why they don't try:

Kreider-Ziba-Panarin
Kid Line
Blais-Trochek-Kravstov
Vesey-Goodrow-Carpenter/Reaves

The bottom six are basically interchangeable with who is playing well. I get Trocheck was signed for an offensive role but he'll still get his PP time.

They need more even strength goals. Trochek can essentially form an old school shut down checking line and play against the other team's first line.

If Kravstov is not playing well or injured, you move up Goodrow or Vesey with him. Basically it's Trochek with whoever of Kravstov/Goodrow/Blais/Vesey is going hot and the other guys on the fourth line. This ideally keeps Carpenter out of the lineup as much as possible.

Carpenter is the weak link. Getting regular minutes is a problem. If he's used in the Chris "Birdman" Andersen role, he'll be much more fresh and effective.

 

[Clark Kellogg]

This week’s Bleeding Blueshirts Report:


Vally looks like he hadn’t had his morning coffee.

 

[Kravtsov420]

The one positive thing about balloon boy was that he used the defense more effectively offensively. You can see it with Karlson in SJ. That’s all I’ll say about BU balloon boy David Quinn

 

[Fitzy]

Kreider will never get close to 50 again

He’ll settle back into his 20 range and we’ll have to perpetually hear people yap about it

If he drops back down to 25 goals, he’s going to be asked to waive his NMC this offseason.

We would miss him but 25 goal Christopher isn’t as irreplaceable as 45 goal mega Chris

 

[I Eat Crow]

Patience.

Yup.

Count me as not worried. I'll worry when this team is still losing games but not shooting at a historically low shot percentage as a team.

 

[haohmaru]

Gleaned from a couple of podcasts (Vince's (with Molly) and Staple's (with Vally):

The Rangers are top 5 in the league 5 v 5 re: scoring chances etc...

The Rangers are near the bottom in shooting percentage and expected goal vs. actual goal differential. So, long story short, both Molly and Vally think this will even out and the Rangers will be fine.

Gauthier likely sent down when Kravtsov and Chytil are both healthy and likely before the middle of next week otherwise he'll have to be waived again

Newest "bromance" is LaFreniere an Lindgren who are apparently living in the same building, commuting to work together, and playing card games on flights. Fox and Lindgren's fondness for each other hasn't changed. Noted, that these are the in the top 3 with Kreider/Zibby being higher than any other on the team.

Vally believes part of Kreider's slower production is Strome being replaced by Trocheck who is more apt to shoot than the guy he replaced.

Trouba/Miller Fox/Lindgren pairings are pretty much set in stone due to comfort levels on, and off, the ice.

Vally thinks the playoff mix will be Isles, Devils, NYR, Pittsburgh and Carolina. Philly's numbers belie a team that's punching above it's weight, Caps are in decline, Columbus is rebuilding.

Both believe that Reaves is an important part of the locker room and will be scratched here and there but isn't going anywhere.

Man on the hot seat when Chytil is back: Carpenter.

Interesting stat: teams that are not in the playoff picture by Thanksgiving (no matter the point deficit) have a 15% of making the playoffs that year.

 

[LORDE]

Interesting stat: teams that are not in the playoff picture by Thanksgiving (no matter the point deficit) have a 15% of making the playoffs that year.

Been saying this for years... it's a thing.

No one is saying you're done if out by turkey day... but it's a rough uphill climb that'll leave you spent by the playoffs (STL being the exception to the rule)

 

[MrAlmost]

Gleaned from a couple of podcasts (Vince's (with Molly) and Staple's (with Vally):

The Rangers are top 5 in the league 5 v 5 re: scoring chances etc...

The Rangers are near the bottom in shooting percentage and expected goal vs. actual goal differential. So, long story short, both Molly and Vally think this will even out and the Rangers will be fine.

Gauthier likely sent down when Kravtsov and Chytil are both healthy and likely before the middle of next week otherwise he'll have to be waived again

Newest "bromance" is LaFreniere an Lindgren who are apparently living in the same building, commuting to work together, and playing card games on flights. Fox and Lindgren's fondness for each other hasn't changed. Noted, that these are the in the top 3 with Kreider/Zibby being higher than any other on the team.

Vally believes part of Kreider's slower production is Strome being replaced by Trocheck who is more apt to shoot than the guy he replaced.

Trouba/Miller Fox/Lindgren pairings are pretty much set in stone due to comfort levels on, and off, the ice.

Vally thinks the playoff mix will be Isles, Devils, NYR, Pittsburgh and Carolina. Philly's numbers belie a team that's punching above it's weight, Caps are in decline, Columbus is rebuilding.

Both believe that Reaves is an important part of the locker room and will be scratched here and there but isn't going anywhere.

Man on the hot seat when Chytil is back: Carpenter.

Interesting stat: teams that are not in the playoff picture by Thanksgiving (no matter the point deficit) have a 15% of making the playoffs that year.

I think Goat is kept. Krav and Carp will be dealt for another player. Everything else seems about right.

 

[haohmaru]

I think Goat is kept. Krav and Carp will be dealt for another player. Everything else seems about right.

The Rangers aren't trading Kravtsov at this point. He's almost worthless, he hasn't had a chance to get his wheels going at all, and he's a cheap forward that's exactly the type of contract the Rangers need.

This is a pipe dream.

 

[egelband]

Gleaned from a couple of podcasts (Vince's (with Molly) and Staple's (with Vally):


Gauthier likely sent down when Kravtsov and Chytil are both healthy and likely before the middle of next week otherwise he'll have to be waived again

Newest "bromance" is LaFreniere an Lindgren who are apparently living in the same building, commuting to work together, and playing card games on flights. Fox and Lindgren's fondness for each other hasn't changed. Noted, that these are the in the top 3 with Kreider/Zibby being higher than any other on the team.

Vally believes part of Kreider's slower production is Strome being replaced by Trocheck who is more apt to shoot than the guy he replaced.

Trouba/Miller Fox/Lindgren pairings are pretty much set in stone due to comfort levels on, and off, the ice.

Both believe that Reaves is an important part of the locker room and will be scratched here and there but isn't going anywhere.

Man on the hot seat when Chytil is back: Carpenter.

Thank you for this.
Very interesting on the color added to the Lindgren-Fox pair. Makes sense. And while I - as a fan - want to see Miller-Fox, I can understand why the coach would prefer to keep Lindgren-Fox together. Same with the Reaves part. Of course we all knew it, but here’s more evidence. At the moment Reaves isn’t blocking anyone, so it’s fine.
I do hope Carpenter goes down (or gets claimed) before Gauthier. I still cling to the hope he can be part of a drag race line with Kreider and Chytil, at some point.
The one part of that podcast that doesn’t make sense to me is the Trocheck-Kreider part. I guess they’re talking about the power play, since those two don’t play ES together. But still, how many more PP shots does Trocheck have versus what Strome would have had? Dubious on that one.

(I’ve cut the original post down in my quote btw)

 

[egelband]

I think Goat is kept. Krav and Carp will be dealt for another player. Everything else seems about right.

You may be right but I don’t think the fates of the three players are tied together at all. Carpenter has probably zero value. So if he’s moved in a trade, he’s a throw-in to clear a roster spot. Otherwise he probably (hopefully) gets waived and either gets claimed or sent to Hartford. If they send down Gauthier because they can avoid waivers, while I understand it, I think it’s unfair.
I’d rather lose Carpenter than send down Gauthier to keep both in the organization.
But maybe I’m misunderstanding Carpenter’s value. Maybe his mom makes incredible salmon sandwiches.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

Patience.

What is the in comparison to? His goal total from last season, which was a fluke? I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for goal-scoring like that again.

 

[Kovalev27]

Trouba used to have a shot. What happened? Remember his first year with the Rangers he was blasting that slap shot all the time? He didn't have a shoulder injury over the last 24 months like Leetch early in his career that impacted his velocity as far as I know.

It's almost like Gary Bettman and Vince McMahon met with him and said "you play for the Rangers now pal, we don't allow big shots here".

K'Andre's had a strange year so far. He looked so much more confident in the preseason.

Well trouba had a career year with 11 goals last year. 40 pts. Sooo He’s more than capable of scoring

 

[haohmaru]

But still, how many more PP shots does Trocheck have versus what Strome would have had? Dubious on that one.

I think it was more about the nature of the shots, perhaps. Strome did the shot-pass thing to Kreider whereas Trocheck is more of a blaster if he gets the chance. More difficult on the deflections.

 

[LiveLongandProspal]

If Gallant is canned (which he won’t be), I’d be shocked if it was anyone other than Rick Tocchet taking over.