Speculation: Roster Building Thread: New Season Edition

[Paulie Walnutz]

Kreider isn’t snake bitten. That’s a perfect example of why these stupid fancy stats are as useless as a used condom. Kreider’s effort so far this season has been dog shit. And his bread and butter which is the power play has dried up because the Rangers power play is too predictable. It’s force everything to Mika. Panarin won’t shoot, Fox will throw one on if he sees Kreider in the area but teams know by now to tie him up. If anything they should rename that stupid stat to the Julien Gauthier snake bitten chart because that dude’s been bitten so many times he’s probably a mutant superhero like Spider-Man by now.

 

[Savant]

What is the in comparison to? His goal total from last season, which was a fluke? I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for goal-scoring like that again.

no this is not compared to last years numbers. XG is basically how efficient a players is with their scoring chances. This means Kreider is getting good opportunities but he has been inefficient

 

[bleedblue94]

Kreider isn’t snake bitten. That’s a perfect example of why these stupid fancy stats are as useless as a used condom. Kreider’s effort so far this season has been dog shit. And his bread and butter which is the power play has dried up because the Rangers power play is too predictable. It’s force everything to Mika. Panarin won’t shoot, Fox will throw one on if he sees Kreider in the area but teams know by now to tie him up. If anything they should rename that stupid stat to the Julien Gauthier snake bitten chart because that dude’s been bitten so many times he’s probably a mutant superhero like Spider-Man by now.

f***ing PREACH!

 

[The Crypto Guy]

no this is not compared to last years numbers. XG is basically how efficient a players is with their scoring chances. This means Kreider is getting good opportunities but he has been inefficient

Ah, thank you.

 

[bleedblue94]

Are we at a point of criticizing certain players or criticizing roster construction?

It is too easy to say both, I am on the side of construction and cap allocation. Even with players operating at their normal or slightly above our roster has significant flaws and virtually no depth that is being exposed.

 

[Savant]

Ah, thank you.

For sure xG is kind of a controversial star because everyone interprets it differently , and by nature it can be a bit open to interpretation. If you are outperforming your xG you are breaking out and/or you are on a heater. Generally I like to look at players that are scoring around their xG, because that’s where you are getting your consistency/less variables.

But if you are like Kreider and you are under the xG like that, it’s not unreasonable to think he is overdue for a big week to get back on track. No, he isn’t going to score 50 again, but I think what people don’t necessarily understand is the Rangers don’t need him to score 50. If he is in that 25-30 range that’s fine, and he’s not even overpaid at that number. No it hasn’t been a good start to the season but don’t think it’s fair to say he is washed either. Yet.

 

[Savant]

Are we at a point of criticizing certain players or criticizing roster construction?

It is too easy to say both, I am on the side of construction and cap allocation. Even with players operating at their normal or slightly above our roster has significant flaws and virtually no depth that is being exposed.

It’s basically the same team as last season pre-deadline. You could make the argument that that 8-10 of the forwards are fine and they need an extra dman. I think some others have said it too, but I don’t think this team is worse than last year. Chytil, Lafreniere and Kakko are better. Trocheck is better than Strome. Et cetera. Halak hasn’t been great but I don’t think he is why they lost today. They are kind of weird right now and I think everyone is on edge because of how the Devils and Isles are looking.

That being said, like at the deadline last year, this team needs to upgrade at least three, maybe four players; the answers to the issues in bottom six and last pair are not going to be found internally. But again with a legit 2C and the kids improving this is not the worst thing in the world. Drury just has to do work at the deadline again

 

[bleedblue94]

It’s basically the same team as last season pre-deadline. You could make the argument that that 8-10 of the forwards are fine and they need an extra dman. I think some others have said it too, but I don’t think this team is worse than last year. Chytil, Lafreniere and Kakko are better. Trocheck is better than Strome. Et cetera. Halak hasn’t been great but I don’t think he is why they lost today. They are kind of weird right now and I think everyone is on edge because of how the Devils and Isles are looking.

That being said, like at the deadline last year, this team needs to upgrade at least three, maybe four players; the answers to the issues in bottom six and last pair are not going to be found internally. But again with a legit 2C and the kids improving this is not the worst thing in the world. Drury just has to do work at the deadline again

I guess I'm different. I'm not worried about isles or devs. I'm just uncomfortable with the team and the fact there is no room to improve it. Even if something fell in their lap they can't make it work cap wise. The different this year and last year is the metro and east in general is better and this team has no cap space to make the adds they did last year.

 

[GENESISPuck94]

Kreider isn’t snake bitten. That’s a perfect example of why these stupid fancy stats are as useless as a used condom. Kreider’s effort so far this season has been dog shit. And his bread and butter which is the power play has dried up because the Rangers power play is too predictable. It’s force everything to Mika. Panarin won’t shoot, Fox will throw one on if he sees Kreider in the area but teams know by now to tie him up. If anything they should rename that stupid stat to the Julien Gauthier snake bitten chart because that dude’s been bitten so many times he’s probably a mutant superhero like Spider-Man by now.

I shake my head watching the PP every time. Oppositions could literally stack all 4 guys on Zibanejad and not have to worry about anything else. The PP is SO predictable it's painful. Trocheck needs to be off PP1 NOW. Kakko should be there 1000000000% the way he's playing.

 

[GENESISPuck94]

I guess I'm different. I'm not worried about isles or devs. I'm just uncomfortable with the team and the fact there is no room to improve it. Even if something fell in their lap they can't make it work cap wise. The different this year and last year is the metro and east in general is better and this team has no cap space to make the adds they did last year.

They can get rid of the trash so they can make adds.

Reaves, Goodrow, Carpenter... start chunking these guys and adding players that actually bring something of value ON THE ICE. They can bring some random person from the crowd to yell the thing before games, we don't need to waste cap space and a dressed roster spot on the bench for that.

 

[duhmetreE]

Kreider isn’t snake bitten. That’s a perfect example of why these stupid fancy stats are as useless as a used condom. Kreider’s effort so far this season has been dog shit. And his bread and butter which is the power play has dried up because the Rangers power play is too predictable. It’s force everything to Mika. Panarin won’t shoot, Fox will throw one on if he sees Kreider in the area but teams know by now to tie him up. If anything they should rename that stupid stat to the Julien Gauthier snake bitten chart because that dude’s been bitten so many times he’s probably a mutant superhero like Spider-Man by now.

perfect description of the PP

 

[SA16]

I shake my head watching the PP every time. Oppositions could literally stack all 4 guys on Zibanejad and not have to worry about anything else. The PP is SO predictable it's painful. Trocheck needs to be off PP1 NOW. Kakko should be there 1000000000% the way he's playing.

That’s just not true. They run the pass to the slot a ton when Zibanejad isn’t open. That’s how Trocheck has 28 shot attempts on the PP so far. Predictably isn’t really a big deal anyway. The caps have run the same predictable PP for like ten years. For the most part it’s been very good the whole time.

 

[duhmetreE]

Get Chychrun

 

[GENESISPuck94]

That’s just not true. They run the pass to the slot a ton when Zibanejad isn’t open. That’s how Trocheck has 28 shot attempts on the PP so far. Predictably isn’t really a big deal anyway. The caps have run the same predictable PP for like ten years. For the most part it’s been very good the whole time.

Ovechkin, Backstrom & Carlson >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rangers.

Zibanejad isn't in the same galaxy as the greatest goal scorer in the modern era.

So, the Caps have an excuse with the HOF talent they have/had.

Rangers... what have they accomplished?

 

[bleedblue94]

They can get rid of the trash so they can make adds.

Reaves, Goodrow, Carpenter... start chunking these guys and adding players that actually bring something of value ON THE ICE. They can bring some random person from the crowd to yell the thing before games, we don't need to waste cap space and a dressed roster spot on the bench for that.

Goodrow isnt going anywhere, I would be surprised if reaves would be dealt in season but who knows, carpenter is making hardly anything and is here bc they can't afford anything better.

Capped the F out

 

[The Crypto Guy]

The issue with this team that was absolutely SUCK at even strength. Kakko is the only player it seems like that can play 5 on 5.

Where the hell are our star players? Panarin? Mika? Kreider? Are any of these guys capable of doing anything that doesn't involve set plays on the PP? I barely see any of them creating any type of offense when at ES. Even Panarin seems like he is playing his playoff hockey again where he shows no creativity.

C'on guys, let's f***ing wake up and not get embarrassed vs the Isles again on Tuesday.

 

[TheDirtyH]

Ovechkin, Backstrom & Carlson >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rangers.

Zibanejad isn't in the same galaxy as the greatest goal scorer in the modern era.

So, the Caps have an excuse with the HOF talent they have/had.

Rangers... what have they accomplished?

Zibanejad has more pp goals than ovi the last four years. Kreider had more pp goals last season than ovis ever had in a season. Panarin just broke the assist record for left wingers (huberdeau beat him tho). And Fox won a norris at an age no one had except some dude named Bobby orr.

Idk what exactly your point is but if it's that this pp doesn't have talent or results to back their usage up, it's a thin argument.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

Get Chychrun

That's not going to help us score more at ES, which is our biggest issue.

 

[Barnaby]

Any chance Kravtsov could wear that non-contact jersey during games…?

Edit: someone beat me to it.

 

[Barnaby]

He has always said he's fine at whatever position they put him at. This is a made up fan/media narrative.

“For me, left wing, right wing, I’m ready to play wherever with whoever,” Lafrenière told Staple. “Every line you’re on you’re playing with skilled players. Wherever I am next season, I’ll be ready.”

Alexis even added that he’s already working on being better at right wing this offseason.

“Just some small details, working on the right side of the ice, breakouts, zone entries, stuff like that,” he noted. “It’s details but if you get more comfortable doing it you help yourself when it comes time to do that. I’m not changing my summer work a whole lot though.”

He’d say the same to the media if you mentioned putting him at goalie. Let’s let him break out at his natural position before we start switching him around.

 

[egelband]

This team is extremely out of synch right now. They look horrible. The effort isn’t there either, for the most part.
That said, they can turn it around at any point. I hope it’s sooner rather than later. But at this point I’m not going to panic but I’m not Drury and I also don’t know what’s happening in the lockerroom.
Still I’d like to see the lines shuffled a bit. I’d feel that way if they weren’t struggling. But I think some changes could help them break out.

 

[SA16]

Ovechkin, Backstrom & Carlson >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rangers.

Zibanejad isn't in the same galaxy as the greatest goal scorer in the modern era.

So, the Caps have an excuse with the HOF talent they have/had.

Rangers... what have they accomplished?

Zibanejad has been a better pp goal scorer than Ovechkin for like the last 5 years and it hasn’t been particularly close either

 

[SA16]

That's not going to help us score more at ES, which is our biggest issue.

It’s not an issue. It’s just sh%. They have almost the exact same goal scoring rate at 5v5 as Colorado and Toronto. Two other teams who should score a ton at even strength and haven’t been. Because they’re all shooting like 6.5%.

 

[pld459666]

I'm less optimistic today than I was to start the season.

 

[CLW]

I'm less optimistic today than I was to start the season.

The team came out flying playing at post-season tempo and played well. Then they went "Ok, we good, is it April yet?" Cue opponents bonking them on the nose when they started slacking and tuned out from the regular season.

What we see now is a combination of
- lack of mental sharpness on behalf of too many players, vets in particular
- kids under construction
- poor structure. Also, I don't think "the way the coaches like to play" is the same as what is instinctual to our more important players
- lack of depth. 3rd line (Fil apart), 4th line are just existing.