Speculation: Roster Building Thread: New Season Edition

[mas0764]

I'd rather read "what I would do" than 20-20 hindsight that never ends.

Well the Buch deal wasn't hindsight since said I correctly said it was a shit deal at the time it happened.

I just bless everyone with reminders from now until Drury has adequately remedied the situation (according to me).

 

[haohmaru]

Well the Buch deal wasn't hindsight since said I correctly said it was a shit deal at the time it happened.

I just bless everyone with reminders from now until Drury has adequately remedied the situation (according to me).

Was anyone really happy with the trade? I mean other than St. Louis.

The above is not exactly a revolutionary viewpoint.

 

[gravey9]

Welp, we managed to go a few days without the Kane to Rangers rumors. But now that they seem to be flaring up yet again, I just want to go on record as saying...

If we are feeling like contenders at deadline, I want the Rangers to focus on 2 needs. Here are my two favorite ideas at these needs. We likely only afford to go for it with one of these options. And then use remaining cap to spend on very cheap back-fill options for the other need.

1. Adding a veteran D. If we are looking really good come playoff time, I would like to take a bigger swing than we have in recent past. Instead of just focusing on a vet who can play bottom pair and PK, I would like to find a rental who is also capable of legit filling in as a top 4 D. We saw how dinged up our top 4 got by round 3. If we are looking good, man it would be great to get a Vet who has legit ability to take shifts for Lindgren if necessary. That would deepen our D corps immensely and I think make us more formidable in a long series or even if someone goes down.

2. Adding a forward. If the Blues suck and aren't in the playoff race, I would be willing to do a lot to add Ryan O'Reilly if healthy. He's a huge 16 game player and a big add to a lineup like ours. We don't have to take a huge swing like that necessarily. But he would immediately make us a team with a very strong top 9. Moves Chytil to 3rd line RW with Blais. And moves Goody to 4th line center. Would need Blues to eat half of contract and perhaps take back someone in our bottom 6.

 

[Daves a mess]

Tough position for Kravtsov and kind of a strange comment from GG. Kravtsov is fighting for a roster spot and trying to dispel the impressions given off by his bolting to Russia, twice. Of course he's going to want to do more "stuff and things", especially playing limited minutes with no PP time. If he went in soft on plays like that people would just criticize him for being soft and SELFISH.

GG is in a tough spot. Can't say that Vitali is a Mary. Can't say he was playing well. Can't say he is vital to the teams success. He can't say he needs time in the AHL.

Bet he's hoping that GOATS make so he can say "I can't take Julien out he's playing so well, and I will be doing him a disservice playing him on the 4th line.

Welp, we managed to go a few days without the Kane to Rangers rumors. But now that they seem to be flaring up yet again, I just want to go on record as saying...

If we are feeling like contenders at deadline, I want the Rangers to focus on 2 needs. Here are my two favorite ideas at these needs. We likely only afford to go for it with one of these options. And then use remaining cap to spend on very cheap back-fill options for the other need.

1. Adding a veteran D. If we are looking really good come playoff time, I would like to take a bigger swing than we have in recent past. Instead of just focusing on a vet who can play bottom pair and PK, I would like to find a rental who is also capable of legit filling in as a top 4 D. We saw how dinged up our top 4 got by round 3. If we are looking good, man it would be great to get a Vet who has legit ability to take shifts for Lindgren if necessary. That would deepen our D corps immensely and I think make us more formidable in a long series or even if someone goes down.

2. Adding a forward. If the Blues suck and aren't in the playoff race, I would be willing to do a lot to add Ryan O'Reilly if healthy. He's a huge 16 game player and a big add to a lineup like ours. We don't have to take a huge swing like that necessarily. But he would immediately make us a team with a very strong top 9. Moves Chytil to 3rd line RW with Blais. And moves Goody to 4th line center. Would need Blues to eat half of contract and perhaps take back someone in our bottom 6.

No worries, you can GUARANTEE the Rangers will add veteran D at the deadline IF they are in a playoff position. No crystal ball on the other possible moves with the cap crunch.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

Update on how the Rangers have fared since those articles dropped:
3-2-2
-4 goal differential
PP 4/26
Laf & Kakko a combined 3 points

Getting there

 

[Hi ImHFNYR]

And the people who constantly bring it up are usually trying to criticize the regime. Its a two way street.

Its a valid, fair criticism to point at bad use of resources for a move/series of moves that continues to impact each game we play.

Most of the topic dismissal hasn't been valid or fair.

It wasn't even primarily a criticism in this case, just a thought exercise someone prompted by saying the cap couldn't be done

. @mas0764 likely nailed it. People just dont want to admit they were wrong. Or they don't want to see the nyr criticized.

 

[Hi ImHFNYR]

Buchnevich was a losing player with 1 career playoff point in 8 games as a Ranger. Why would we have wanted to keep a guy who couldn't perform when it mattered anyway?

A loooooot of players look bad in small playoff sample sizes early in their career. Even hofers across various sports.

Maybe he just didn't have the mentality and never will for playoff performing. It's possible, sure. It's also possible the guy who was developing into a ppg player was going to similarly perform at a higher level going forward in the playoffs.

Great, I'm responding to a point about buch, now im sure I'll hear a bunch of shit about how I'm just whining

 

[Barnaby]

I find nothing more boring than reading what fans “would have done” over and over and over. It gets repetitive, proves nothing and serves no purpose. At some point it’s as stale as day old bread. One season later it’s more like rotten fish.

Exactly.

No one liked the value of the Buch trade.

Even so, going back with the benefit of 20/20 hindsight to act like you’re an expert who foresaw everything to come is just obnoxious.

The same is ignoring the situation Drury was in. I’m sure there were probably better moves to be made, but he was clearly hired with the idea of changing the culture following the Wilson incident, and starting to compete. If you don’t see the reality of being hired to do a specific job and having to follow through then I don’t know what to tell you. Continuing a rebuild or resigning Buch while filling out a roster of players on league minimum contracts who didn’t address the obvious issues wasn’t happening.

 

[Barnaby]

Well the Buch deal wasn't hindsight since said I correctly said it was a shit deal at the time it happened.

I just bless everyone with reminders from now until Drury has adequately remedied the situation (according to me).

Everyone said it was a lousy deal then. Everyone is saying it’s a lousy deal now. This isn’t revolutionary idea.

You are totally missing the point.

 

[RangerBoy]

Welp, we managed to go a few days without the Kane to Rangers rumors. But now that they seem to be flaring up yet again, I just want to go on record as saying...

If we are feeling like contenders at deadline, I want the Rangers to focus on 2 needs. Here are my two favorite ideas at these needs. We likely only afford to go for it with one of these options. And then use remaining cap to spend on very cheap back-fill options for the other need.

1. Adding a veteran D. If we are looking really good come playoff time, I would like to take a bigger swing than we have in recent past. Instead of just focusing on a vet who can play bottom pair and PK, I would like to find a rental who is also capable of legit filling in as a top 4 D. We saw how dinged up our top 4 got by round 3. If we are looking good, man it would be great to get a Vet who has legit ability to take shifts for Lindgren if necessary. That would deepen our D corps immensely and I think make us more formidable in a long series or even if someone goes down.

2. Adding a forward. If the Blues suck and aren't in the playoff race, I would be willing to do a lot to add Ryan O'Reilly if healthy. He's a huge 16 game player and a big add to a lineup like ours. We don't have to take a huge swing like that necessarily. But he would immediately make us a team with a very strong top 9. Moves Chytil to 3rd line RW with Blais. And moves Goody to 4th line center. Would need Blues to eat half of contract and perhaps take back someone in our bottom 6.

Flaring up? Where?

 

[RangerBoy]

The latest in a string of injuries that will sideline Vitali Kravtsov for, “at least a week,” per the Rangers, has created further complications when it comes to accruing space under the cap at the trade deadline.

Following Tuesday’s 1-0 overtime victory over the Flyers at the Garden on Chris Kreider’s breakaway backhander at 4:07 to cap an impressive blue-collar effort, the Blueshirts project to have approximately $775,000 available at the deadline, per CapFriendly. In other words, so long to Patrick Kane and hello to retaining the pair of first-round picks.

Good.

Rangers can ease Vitali Kravtsov back — only if he allows it

The latest in a string of injuries that will sideline Vitali Kravtsov for, “at least a week,” per the Rangers, has created further complications.

nypost.com

It doesn't appear Kravtsov is interested in a 14 day conditioning stint.

Let him sit on the roster taking up cap space every day.

 

[egelband]

I find nothing more boring than reading what fans “would have done” over and over and over. It gets repetitive, proves nothing and serves no purpose. At some point it’s as stale as day old bread. One season later it’s more like rotten fish.

Day old bread is wayyyy more useful, actually.

 

[Avery16]

Good.

Rangers can ease Vitali Kravtsov back — only if he allows it

The latest in a string of injuries that will sideline Vitali Kravtsov for, “at least a week,” per the Rangers, has created further complications.

nypost.com

It doesn't appear Kravtsov is interested in a 14 day conditioning stint.

Let him sit on the roster taking up cap space every day.

Piece sounds like Brooks whining that the agent wouldn’t give him a quote.

 

[haohmaru]

Well, the bright spot here is that all of these minor injuries are chewing away deadline space and making a Kane for 1st + + virtually impossible.

Good.

 

[mas0764]

Its a valid, fair criticism to point at bad use of resources for a move/series of moves that continues to impact each game we play.

Most of the topic dismissal hasn't been valid or fair.

It wasn't even primarily a criticism in this case, just a thought exercise someone prompted by saying the cap couldn't be done

. @mas0764 likely nailed it. People just dont want to admit they were wrong. Or they don't want to see the nyr criticized.

Criticizing the regime when it does wrong is the natural, correct response. Defending it when it does wrong is the incorrect response.

Like, yeah... the people who keep bringing it up are the ones who want to criticize the regime. And? We are right.

The ones who continue to try to put it all behind us and not talk about it want to silence the criticism so they can defend the regime... they are wrong.

Even so, going back with the benefit of 20/20 hindsight to act like you’re an expert who foresaw everything to come is just obnoxious.

It's not hindsight.

People need to stop acting like the people who decried this trade as unacceptable are monday morning QBing.

 

[IDvsEGO]

Criticizing the regime when it does wrong is the natural, correct response. Defending it when it does wrong is the incorrect response.

Like, yeah... the people who keep bringing it up are the ones who want to criticize the regime. And? We are right.

The ones who continue to try to put it all behind us and not talk about it want to silence the criticism so they can defend the regime... they are wrong.

I mean there’s pointing out the return was bad. And then harping on it over and over and over.
No one says the return for buch was great.
The comments are, we couldn’t make it work long term and both develop and keep the kids.
Arguing that we should’ve kept buch because he was going to break out ignored that he got the ice time that Kakko is now getting, that Laf is getting w panarin, and showing how the kids are breaking out, which last I checked is far more important to all of us.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

Good.

Rangers can ease Vitali Kravtsov back — only if he allows it

The latest in a string of injuries that will sideline Vitali Kravtsov for, “at least a week,” per the Rangers, has created further complications.

nypost.com

It doesn't appear Kravtsov is interested in a 14 day conditioning stint.

Let him sit on the roster taking up cap space every day.

lmao, this guy just can't go one article without mentioning Kane and the Rangers. It's a sickness. We aren't getting him Brooks, get over it.

 

[RangerBoy]

Well, the bright spot here is that all of these minor injuries are chewing away deadline space and making a Kane for 1st + + virtually impossible.

Good.

$37,095 for Hunt. Gauthier’s daily cap hit is $4,324. Kravstov is out for at least one week. If Gauthier stays on the the roster for 30 days. $129,729. Kravstov will return and get hurt the next game. He will miss another 2-3 weeks.

The $4.5M of cap space on trade deadline day was based on the Rangers having $1M in space from the start of the season and retaining it during the season. The Rangers did not even start the season with $1M.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

At this point, it's time for Rangers and Kravtsov to just admit it didn't work, put him on unconditional waivers and he can go back to Russia.

 

[Paulie Walnutz]

Good.

Rangers can ease Vitali Kravtsov back — only if he allows it

The latest in a string of injuries that will sideline Vitali Kravtsov for, “at least a week,” per the Rangers, has created further complications.

nypost.com

It doesn't appear Kravtsov is interested in a 14 day conditioning stint.

Let him sit on the roster taking up cap space every day.

“I no go to Gulag I mean Hartford. Statboy Steve, I stay your place.”

 

[duhmetreE]

At this point, it's time for Rangers and Kravtsov to just admit it didn't work, put him on unconditional waivers and he can go back to Russia.

If we could afford it, Hayton for Kravtsov but I don't know why AZ would do it.

Have to add another piece maybe

but at this point... we're going to have to drag him along. He'll get there eventually. As long as his cap hit is low.

 

[IDvsEGO]

If we could afford it, Hayton for Kravtsov but I don't know why AZ would do it.

Have to add another piece maybe

but at this point... we're going to have to drag him along. He'll get there eventually. As long as his cap hit is low.

Hayton is a C isn’t he?

 

[duhmetreE]

Hayton is a C isn’t he?

yes.. and he's had a really slow start after finishing strong last season

 

[The Crypto Guy]

At this point, it's time for Rangers and Kravtsov to just admit it didn't work, put him on unconditional waivers and he can go back to Russia.

A little soon for that..

 

[IDvsEGO]

yes.. and he's had a really slow start after finishing strong last season

Right but when Chytil comes back I’m not blocking him considering how strong he started the year