Speculation: Roster Building Thread: New Season Edition

[TominNC]

The Rangers should have the kids play on two lines. There are three TV timeouts per period. Power play minutes. PK minutes. The kids don't play much on special teams.

Panarin-Trocheck-Lafreniere
Kreider-Zibanejad-Kakko

Lafreniere-Chytil-Kakko

Let the first unit play the full two minutes on the PP. The kid line is the next line.

Chytil can play with Goodrow and whatever slug deemed worthy of more minutes when he isn’t playing with Lafreniere and Kakko.

The fourth line will be composed of Carpenter, Vesey, Gauthier, Blais, Reaves, etc. Goodrow plays on the 4th when the kids are together.

The Rangers are paying Gallant $3.5M per. Figure it out.

That’s pretty much what he was doing before Chytil got hurt

 

[DialUp]

The Rangers should have the kids play on two lines. There are three TV timeouts per period. Power play minutes. PK minutes. The kids don't play much on special teams.

Panarin-Trocheck-Lafreniere
Kreider-Zibanejad-Kakko

Lafreniere-Chytil-Kakko

Let the first unit play the full two minutes on the PP. The kid line is the next line.

Chytil can play with Goodrow and whatever slug deemed worthy of more minutes when he isn’t playing with Lafreniere and Kakko.

The fourth line will be composed of Carpenter, Vesey, Gauthier, Blais, Reaves, etc. Goodrow plays on the 4th when the kids are together.

The Rangers are paying Gallant $3.5M per. Figure it out.

So I am reading this right, you are proposing Laff and Kakko doubleshifts with Chytil? That is a cute idea, has a team done that before?

 

[IDvsEGO]

So I am reading this right, you are proposing Laff and Kakko doubleshifts with Chytil? That is a cute idea, has a team done that before?

no what they're proposing is what gallant was already doing.
Basically the kids get the shift immediately after the pp finishes.
It doesn't work when chytil is out though...

 

[DialUp]

no what they're proposing is what gallant was already doing.
Basically the kids get the shift immediately after the pp finishes.
It doesn't work when chytil is out though...

OK makes sense. Like others said, that is not without precedent.

 

[Hi ImHFNYR]

Again, show me the roster THIS YEAR with Buchnevich's 5.8M AAV.

Again, i showed how we'd have the cap for a full roster. I did more than enough, stop moving the goalposts. Explain how we wouldnt have enough space. You had I think 5 responses and refused to so this is my last response to u on this.

He was primarily traded because the Rangers knew there was no way it was going to work moving forward.

I showed this isn't correct cap wise or roster size wise

Even with that being said - look at what you wrote above: you're keeping a guy by adding 3-4 league minimum contracts (ie... fringe NHL players) - is that helping your team?

you mean like reaves (who let's face it...is overpaid and should be a min contract) carpenter, hunt, mckegg, nemeth (a 1 year min would've actually been better), vesey? All guys we've had the last two szns?

And what'd I say like 6 times? Yes, it MIGHT have meant taking a slight hit to the 4th line and bottom pair. But I keep asking and no one answers...what exactly is it about our 4th line that is so good that we are acting like we mightve really missed out lol

Its not an either or. We went with a crap 4th line anyway. We could've kept buch and gone w a crap 4th line. Or we could do what we did and end up in the same place

Do the Rangers go to the final four last year, and have their youth gain all of that experience, without adding what they did at the deadline because they had cap space?

Yes! How do u know otherwise? Maybe they win the cup instead. Maybe they end in the same spot. Maybe we sacrificed multiple easier FUTURE paths to the ecf/scf bc of this move.

Trading Buch was inevitable.

Doesn't seem true based on cap or roster size. Maybe based on the stubbornness of the gm. If that's what u think it was then I wouldn't argue. It could be as simple as he mistakenly didn't see a way to do it and messed up.

Or he legitimately thought it better to have nemeth, blais, Reaves, goodrow instead of having buch + Reaves or buch + goodrow. All I did was prove it was very possible. Especially if, instead of trading a 2nd to dump nemeth, we'd have used a 2nd or some 3s to bring in cheap guys with retained salary for those szns.

Which is how this all started. One person said they didn't think it could've worked cap or roster wise, so I was curious and looked at the numbers and what we did with the cap space/assets/roster spots instead and proved it absolutely could have worked.

 

[Mac n Gs]

Why on earth are we re-litigating the Buchnevich trade? Everyone basically hated it at the time, and pretty much everyone still obviously hates it now. They thought their kids would be ready to jump into the top-9 RW spots and it obviously didn't turn out that way.

 

[duhmetreE]

no what they're proposing is what gallant was already doing.
Basically the kids get the shift immediately after the pp finishes.
It doesn't work when chytil is out though...

They're the PP2 forward unit. It just so happens they get like 20-30 seconds on the PP and then stay out there.

He's proposing the 1st unit stays out there for the full 2 minutes and just give the kid line a shift right after

 

[duhmetreE]

On a semi side note... Trouba needs to be off PP2.

Again, i showed how we'd have the cap for a full roster. I did more than enough, stop moving the goalposts. Explain how we wouldnt have enough space. You had I think 5 responses and refused to so this is my last response to u on this.

I showed this isn't correct cap wise or roster size wise

you mean like reaves (who let's face it...is overpaid and should be a min contract) carpenter, hunt, mckegg, nemeth (a 1 year min would've actually been better), vesey? All guys we've had the last two szns?

And what'd I say like 6 times? Yes, it MIGHT have meant taking a slight hit to the 4th line and bottom pair. But I keep asking and no one answers...what exactly is it about our 4th line that is so good that we are acting like we mightve really missed out lol

Its not an either or. We went with a crap 4th line anyway. We could've kept buch and gone w a crap 4th line. Or we could do what we did and end up in the same place

Yes! How do u know otherwise? Maybe they win the cup instead. Maybe they end in the same spot. Maybe we sacrificed multiple easier FUTURE paths to the ecf/scf bc of this move.

Doesn't seem true based on cap or roster size. Maybe based on the stubbornness of the gm. If that's what u think it was then I wouldn't argue. It could be as simple as he mistakenly didn't see a way to do it and messed up.

Or he legitimately thought it better to have nemeth, blais, Reaves, goodrow instead of having buch + Reaves or buch + goodrow. All I did was prove it was very possible. Especially if, instead of trading a 2nd to dump nemeth, we'd have used a 2nd or some 3s to bring in cheap guys with retained salary for those szns.

Which is how this all started. One person said they didn't think it could've worked cap or roster wise, so I was curious and looked at the numbers and what we did with the cap space/assets/roster spots instead and proved it absolutely could have worked.

Only 2 people I know do this... @mas0764 and @True Blue

Bludgeon you with quotes

are you True Blue?

 

[Kodiak]

They're the PP2 forward unit. It just so happens they get like 20-30 seconds on the PP and then stay out there.

He's proposing the 1st unit stays out there for the full 2 minutes and just give the kid line a shift right after

I think Gallant was also putting the kid line out there at ES after a PP goal until Chytil got hurt. It makes sense to do it that way. Zibanejad, Kreider, Panarin, and Trocheck would play an extended shift and then need a breather, so Kakko and Lafreniere would have sizable gaps in between shifts. After the PP, you would roll out the kid line and then the 4th line, and then go back to the normal lines.

But I don't think we should be giving PP1 the full 2 minutes unless they can hold the zone for that long. As it is now, they seem to change if there's a clear after 1:15 and that's pretty standard.

 

[Hi ImHFNYR]

On a semi side note... Trouba needs to be off PP2.


Only 2 people I know do this... @mas0764 and @True Blue

Bludgeon you with quotes

are you True Blue?

Depends. Does he have a lot of money? If so then....then no. (Puts head down)

Why on earth are we re-litigating the Buchnevich trade?

I tried

One person said they didn't think it could've worked cap or roster wise, so I was curious and looked at the numbers and what we did with the cap space/assets/roster spots instead and proved it absolutely could have worked.

 

[IDvsEGO]

They're the PP2 forward unit. It just so happens they get like 20-30 seconds on the PP and then stay out there.

He's proposing the 1st unit stays out there for the full 2 minutes and just give the kid line a shift right after

There were a decent amount of shifts where pp1 ended the pp, and then the kids came flying out and generated a huge chance. It worked really well because the kids are so dominant puckwise that its almost like being on the PP.

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

The Rangers should have the kids play on two lines. There are three TV timeouts per period. Power play minutes. PK minutes. The kids don't play much on special teams.

Panarin-Trocheck-Lafreniere
Kreider-Zibanejad-Kakko

Lafreniere-Chytil-Kakko

Let the first unit play the full two minutes on the PP. The kid line is the next line.

Chytil can play with Goodrow and whatever slug deemed worthy of more minutes when he isn’t playing with Lafreniere and Kakko.

The fourth line will be composed of Carpenter, Vesey, Gauthier, Blais, Reaves, etc. Goodrow plays on the 4th when the kids are together.

The Rangers are paying Gallant $3.5M per. Figure it out.

This is literally exactly what Gallant was doing before Chytil got hurt.

 

[QJL]

Right now, this is my projection on bottom 6 forwards for the playoffs with no deadline acquisitions:

Othmann - Chytil - Gauthier
Goodrow - Rydahl - Vesey
Cuylle

I don’t want the current versions of Carpenter, Blais, Reaves, or Kravtsov.

My guess is we move one of the Blais/Reaves contracts to bring in a true solid bottom 6er.

This lineup could really use Tyler Motte.

 

[Savant]

Only if it’s line 1

Why have two good lines when you can have one good line?

 

[The Crypto Guy]

The Rangers should have the kids play on two lines. There are three TV timeouts per period. Power play minutes. PK minutes. The kids don't play much on special teams.

Panarin-Trocheck-Lafreniere
Kreider-Zibanejad-Kakko

Lafreniere-Chytil-Kakko

Let the first unit play the full two minutes on the PP. The kid line is the next line.

Chytil can play with Goodrow and whatever slug deemed worthy of more minutes when he isn’t playing with Lafreniere and Kakko.

The fourth line will be composed of Carpenter, Vesey, Gauthier, Blais, Reaves, etc. Goodrow plays on the 4th when the kids are together.

The Rangers are paying Gallant $3.5M per. Figure it out.

Isn’t this exactly what he is doing?

 

[duhmetreE]

I'd love a full day of practice on Weds.... just shooting off the pass and transition.

 

[Rongomania]

Isn’t this exactly what he is doing?

He has to because Zibs looks like shit playing a shift immediately after being on the ice for 1:28.

 

[duhmetreE]

If we could Mika to produce at Even-strength, we're going places.

 

[Clark Kellogg]

K’Andre Miller fluff piece:

 

[The Crypto Guy]

If we could Mika to produce at Even-strength, we're going places.

That would mean Kreider would have to do something. The fact that he might be the worse passer on the team, and loses almost every board battle is definitely not helping that line at ES. If Kakko wasn't on the line I don't think they would be in the offensive zone at all.

 

[RangerBoy]

So I am reading this right, you are proposing Laff and Kakko doubleshifts with Chytil? That is a cute idea, has a team done that before?

Lafreniere and Kakko are both 21 years old. They don't play on PP. Find them a way to get them more minutes. The Rangers bottom six forwards outside of maybe Goodrow are trash. Blais sucks. Vesey sucks. Reaves sucks. Carpenter sucks. Kravtsov is made of tissue paper. Gauthier sucks.

 

[The New Russian Five]

Why on earth are we re-litigating the Buchnevich trade? Everyone basically hated it at the time, and pretty much everyone still obviously hates it now. They thought their kids would be ready to jump into the top-9 RW spots and it obviously didn't turn out that way.

I'm more pissed about the return than the intention roster-wise. Inexcusable to not get a 1st round pick for someone of Buch's calibre at the time.

 

[McRanger92]

I'm more pissed about the return than the intention roster-wise. Inexcusable to not get a 1st round pick for someone of Buch's calibre at the time.

Drury got swindled on his first big trade because the Rangers were obviously looking for toughness and a winning pedigree. Blais obviously hasnt panned out as expected, but at least the GM has shown that hes learned from a rough first offseason.

 

[DialUp]

Lafreniere and Kakko are both 21 years old. They don't play on PP. Find them a way to get them more minutes. The Rangers bottom six forwards outside of maybe Goodrow are trash. Blais sucks. Vesey sucks. Reaves sucks. Carpenter sucks. Kravtsov is made of tissue paper. Gauthier sucks.

I am certainly not criticizing the idea, genuinely wondering if a team has ever had their wings on lines 1 and 2 also be on the 3rd line as well.

 

[TominNC]

It's not worth rehashing a trade more than one season later. But that's what we do. We're multiple seasons past Fast not being lept, I suppose Motte's name will be brought up for ages. Some people never let something go.

Yes, we know. you like this guy or that guy and in most cases most people agree, it wuld have been good to keep them. So PLEASE let it go. Who cares is you can finagle numbers on a spread sheet. The only relevent questions are, what can be done going forward. And even there, I'd prefer to talk about the teams we have and the games coming up, not a trade deadline months from now.

No, I didn't just show up here yesterday. I KNOW what's going to happen at HF