Speculation: Roster Building Thread: New Season Edition

[rangersfansince08]

I keep the Kakko and Laf picks but I up there ante on Buch to Edmonton for 8OA so I could also draft Zegras and I move Kreider for Robertson and a first, then package that first with the Skjei first to get up for Lundell. By just changing those two things:

Panarin Zibanejad Kakko
Lafreniere Zegras Chytil
Robertson Lundell Kravtsov
Goodrow Rydahl Vesey

Lindgren Fox
Miller Trouba
Jones Nils
Robertson Hajek

That C depth would be great

 

[Savant]

I like the Halak signing, but Greiss and Lindgren were both good alternatives and signed for less with the Blues and the Caps.

The other factor here, maybe guys don’t want to back up Igor because they know Igor is getting the lions share. Lindgren especially might have watched the playoffs last season and thought he had a better chance over overtaking Kuemper at some point. Greiss also probably saw a path to more minutes on STL replacing Husso essentially and with an erratic Binnington who you have to flip a coin with every night. This stuff matters. The Rangers backup job might not be all that attractive. WSH and STL might have been seen as better landing spots; and we don’t know if the team rated those players either. But if you are a goalie, your agent is going to try to find the best situation.

 

[mas0764]

That C depth would be great

That whole team is great. For about the next decade.

 

[MrAlmost]

Garland at 50% works. I would look to add another winger as well. However, that is contingent on us not losing the next 3 to 4 games. Should have signed Motte.

 

[Kodiak]

Hunt might find his way back. The Avs are giving him very little ice time. It seems like they just needed a body with the injuries to Landeskog and Helm. When they get healthy or acquire a player, Hunt may be back on waivers, and I believe we would have the first claim on him and could send him to the AHL. I'm not sure about that, though. Those could be old waiver rules.

 

[Kodiak]

With Chytil out, the lack of speed and skating on this team is more apparent - especially on the lower lines.

It really showed last night against Colorado IMO, who have a team of very good skaters.

I hate to say it but Lafreniere looked like he took a step back in the skating department. Hopefully hes just off to a slow start. Kakko was never a burner out there and Vesey, Carpenter, Goodrow, Blais, Reaves and even Kravstov while learning the pace are doing just enough to keep up.

They are chasing instead of dictating, they are caught instead of escaping.

This was one of the reasons I wanted Motte back, this team as currently constructed will be exposed in a long series against a better skating team. They need more speed on the lower lines.

And we knew this coming into the season as far as depth and the cap goes.

Trying to keep this in perspective. The team last night was a shell (especially without Chytil) of the team that went to the conf finals. Copp, Vatrano, Motte and Braun were all perfect pieces that made this team so much deeper. Its pretty amazing the difference 5 players can make in the right spots.

I've thought for a while now that this team feels like a heavy team trying to play a fast team's game. The kids are all great on the boards. Panarin is suprisingly good at coming away with the puck. Zibanejad and Kreider both could own the boards if they wanted to. But instead of trying to create off of the cycle, the top guys want to create off of the rush.

 

[bhamill]

I keep the Kakko and Laf picks but I up there ante on Buch to Edmonton for 8OA so I could also draft Zegras and I move Kreider for Robertson and a first, then package that first with the Skjei first to get up for Lundell. By just changing those two things:

Panarin Zibanejad Kakko
Lafreniere Zegras Chytil
Robertson Lundell Kravtsov
Goodrow Rydahl Vesey

Lindgren Fox
Miller Trouba
Jones Nils
Robertson Hajek

Plus cap space (and lack of such a desperate need for future forwards that you can spare some assets) to make a run at Chychrun.

Yeah, perfect world.
I don't think the price to pay for JChych would be worth it. Not that he's no good or anything, but we wouldn't get a break on the price just because he wouldn't be much of an, or any, significant upgrade to one of our top 3 D (Fox, Miller, Trouba).

 

[Off Sides]

Hunt might find his way back. The Avs are giving him very little ice time. It seems like they just needed a body with the injuries to Landeskog and Helm. When they get healthy or acquire a player, Hunt may be back on waivers, and I believe we would have the first claim on him and could send him to the AHL. I'm not sure about that, though. Those could be old waiver rules.

I think Colorado would need to waive him again, and if the Rangers put in a claim, and he makes it unclaimed to their waiver selection slot, then they get him and can send him to the AHL without needing to be waived yet again. Yet the teams before the Rangers in the waiver priority order could still claim him.

 

[gravey9]

I think Colorado would need to waive him again, and if the Rangers put in a claim, and he makes it unclaimed to their waiver selection slot, then they get him and can send him to the AHL without needing to be waived yet again. Yet the teams before the Rangers in the waiver priority order could still claim him.

actually i think if he goes back on waivers, we'd have first dibs

 

[Off Sides]

actually i think if he goes back on waivers, we'd have first dibs

13.22 When a Club claims a Player on Regular or Unconditional Waivers, and, subsequently,
in the same season it requests Waivers on the same Player and the original owning Club is the
successful and only Club making a Waiver claim, then the original owning Club shall be entitled
to Loan such Player to a club in another league within thirty days without further Waivers being
asked; provided that such Player has not participated in ten or more NHL Games (cumulative)
and remained on an NHL roster more than thirty days (cumulative) following such successful
claim

This is all I found about it, yet I think that means, if another club makes a claim and has a higher waiver priority slot, they can claim him.

 

[NYR Viper]

The guys who probably should have been signed this off-season were Motte, Raffl (now playing in Europe) and Vesey. Yes I realize none of them play center but all (3) would have increased the team speed and been very good PKers and defensive forwards for this team. Collectively you're probably looking at ~$2.8m in cap hit for all (3) guys

 

[Avery16]

WHO is coming out of the lineup for Gauthier??

 

[LiveLongandProspal]

We have a couple of roster spots open since Tinordi and Hunt were claimed, no?


f*** it. Claim Kieffer Bellows.

 

[Avery16]

We have a couple of roster spots open since Tinordi and Hunt were claimed, no?


f*** it. Claim Kieffer Bellows.

Not sure we can fit the cap hit.

 

[bl02]

The guys who probably should have been signed this off-season were Motte, Raffl (now playing in Europe) and Vesey. Yes I realize none of them play center but all (3) would have increased the team speed and been very good PKers and defensive forwards for this team. Collectively you're probably looking at ~$2.8m in cap hit for all (3) guys

Definitely missing Motte and most likely gonna have to go find someone like him at the TDL or even another Vatrano type of our three kid RW's continue to underperform.

 

[Crease]

WHO is coming out of the lineup for Gauthier??

My guess is nobody (or if Gallant is in a mood, Kravtsov). They probably just want a spare body for practice and in case of further injury, until Chytil is ready to return.

 

[MrAlmost]

The only signing that is inexcusible is Halak. Too much money. Should have just signed Domingue and used him as the backup. That extra 1 million is Motte.

Then there are the buyouts, that's Vatrano.

No more buyouts, nothing over 1 million for a backup.

 

[GAGLine]

The only signing that is inexcusible is Halak. Too much money. Should have just signed Domingue and used him as the backup. That extra 1 million is Motte.

Then there are the buyouts, that's Vatrano.

No more buyouts, nothing over 1 million for a backup.

It's not that simple. Each of the buyouts happened for a reason, and allowed us to make other moves. If Goodrow gets bought out next summer, it will be for the same reason.

 

[haohmaru]

The only signing that is inexcusible is Halak. Too much money. Should have just signed Domingue and used him as the backup. That extra 1 million is Motte.

Then there are the buyouts, that's Vatrano.

No more buyouts, nothing over 1 million for a backup.

Halak is > Domingue and therefore costs more $

No more buyouts agreed.

The elephant in the room is the Reaves contract. That's what could have kept Motte here. Yada yada yada "locker room guy" etc... I get it. He's nearly useless where it matters. On the ice.

 

[MrAlmost]

It's not that simple. Each of the buyouts happened for a reason, and allowed us to make other moves. If Goodrow gets bought out next summer, it will be for the same reason.

A bad decision, to correct a bad decision, doesn't make it a good decision. And buying out Goodrow is another bad decision, regardless of the stupid and pitiful cap credit for 2 seasons. You will saddle the team with 1 million+ in dead cap for 6 seasons after that. Bad decision.

Halak is > Domingue and therefore costs more $

No more buyouts agreed.

The elephant in the room is the Reaves contract. That's what could have kept Motte here. Yada yada yada "locker room guy" etc... I get it. He's nearly useless where it matters. On the ice.

It is debatable at this stage, at 37 years old, that Halak is worth double the cost of Domingue to be the backup goalie.

 

[haohmaru]

It is debatable at this stage, at 37 years old, that Halak is worth double the cost of Domingue to be the backup goalie.

Domingue has started a grand total of 4 regular season NHL games in the last 3 years. The debatable thing is if he's even a backup NHL goalie at all.

 

[cwede]

Claim Kieffer Bellows.

well he did spend a season at BU


waiting on the 'why' of the Gauth recall,
maybe just a spare F for the (sorta, tonight is local) 3 game road trip

 

[GAGLine]

A bad decision, to correct a bad decision, doesn't make it a good decision. And buying out Goodrow is another bad decision, regardless of the stupid and pitiful cap credit for 2 seasons. You will saddle the team with 1 million+ in dead cap for 6 seasons after that. Bad decision.

What is the alternative? How is that alternative better?

 

[IDvsEGO]

A bad decision, to correct a bad decision, doesn't make it a good decision. And buying out Goodrow is another bad decision, regardless of the stupid and pitiful cap credit for 2 seasons. You will saddle the team with 1 million+ in dead cap for 6 seasons after that. Bad decision.


It is debatable at this stage, at 37 years old, that Halak is worth double the cost of Domingue to be the backup goalie.

Except that 1m in dead cap, to attempt to get a few longer termed deals done, when the cap will start jumping is a smart move. Not a stupid one.
If we locked Laf, key and Chytil next season to deals from 4, 5, and 8 years in length, and the price was goodrow buyout? Sign me up.
You then gain more flexibility as the cap rises and those contracts look better and better.

 

[MrAlmost]

Domingue has started a grand total of 4 regular season NHL games in the last 3 years. The debatable thing is if he's even a backup NHL goalie at all.

That could be an argument for why the 1.5 million for Halak is so bad. His numbers are declining and he isn't staying healthy for the last 2 years. I guess I'm saying it's not that I dont like Halak or that he won't bounce back, but the trend doesn't justify what is likely 500,000 more than perhaps he should have been offered at this stage. That comes back to, why does this team never get a discount?

What is the alternative? How is that alternative better?

Making trades or keeping the player longer. The cap difficulty the dead space creates outweighs the moves made with that money. It causes a weaker bottom 6 and bottom pair, and those things are critical to playoff success. We saw it last year when we were in the final 4 and all the teams had serious depth. Well, maybe not Edmonton, but the other 3. Then right into the summer where we are all penny pinching cause 3.5 million dollars is tied up in players that don't play for your team anymore and you didn't even get compensation for it. If your gonna have dead space, make it worth it.

Except that 1m in dead cap, to attempt to get a few longer termed deals done, when the cap will start jumping is a smart move. Not a stupid one.
If we locked Laf, key and Chytil next season to deals from 4, 5, and 8 years in length, and the price was goodrow buyout? Sign me up.
You then gain more flexibility as the cap rises and those contracts look better and better.

If the Cap rises anyways, then the 2 million saved from Goodrow isn't really the blocker. The 1+ million will again just create wasted space that could help us down the road find a better 12th/13th forward or a better 7th D. I'll be honest, I would much rather the team eat 50%. At least then you get a pick or another player, or both. And Goodrow can still play. Why am I trading him to give long contracts to Laf, who again looks slow, and Chytil, who again is injured? Miller is good, though.

As always though, I don't know shit. I just liked what Motte and Vatrano gave the team. It's hard to find guys that fit. Shouldn't let those players walk away so easily.