Roo hit the bong a bit too much this morning lol.
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Roo hit the bong a bit too much this morning lol.
It is a possibility, good point.
And from my POV, it’s not necessarily a bad thing. Through the years there have many times been an obsession around this team regarding which players play in the “top 6”. But that doesn’t really exist (while PP/non-PP time is night and day). You must have 3 great lines to contend. If playing Panarin on a line without Ziba and Tro is a way to get that — fantastic.
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Ooooh I'm aware. But we've seen shenanigans like this before.
LOL I wish. I also said that Halak is going to be the whipping boy and have a down year and we'll get to see Domingue and a Garrand cameo. No facts just guts.
I actually got texted about helping someone acquire the now-legal thing the other day and I will say the same thing to you I told to her "I got nothing. Wrong coast."
When the rangers drafted nils in 2019, we had every positional need, so we drafted bpa.
Fox hadn’t broken out, we were unsure about tda. And we hadn’t drafted schneider.
Schneider on the other hand was bpa, and I’ve got no issues with him taken because he was that high on the rangers board.
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Where is the Lundkvist trade the Rangers failed to make? The Rangers haven't made many trades for players. Drury offered Lundkvist to Vancouver for JT Miller. The Rangers talked to Winnipeg about Dubois. The Rangers were probably willing to include Lundkvist in that trade. People say the Rangers failed to trade Lundkvist. The Rangers didn't make the Eichel trade. How were the Rangers adding a $10M cap hit in addition to paying Zibanejad $8.5M and Fox $9.5M? The Rangers made a Trouba trade in 2019. Poink was arbitration eligible and the Rangers sent him to Winnipeg. Trouba is the only player who has been added in a trade where the Rangers traded a player and a pick for the player. It's a little annoying reading this stuff. The Rangers probably thought they would have been able to trade some of their prospects for veteran NHL players but they don't have the cap space. The pandemic ruined those plans.
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Lundkvist was taken in 2018
Fox was a member of the Calgary Flames when the Rangers selected Lundkvist. The Fox trade to Carolina was made on the 2nd day of the 2018 draft.
Trouba was in Winnipeg.
Tony was treading water. He had his issues with AV.
2018-19 was Quinn's first season as coach.
Many things have changed since the Rangers selected Lundkvist 28th overall in 2018.
Sorry had the year wrong. Yup you're absolutely correct. You can make the argument that schneider was the "bad" pick. But considering how valued he is around the league, and his play last season before he tapered off, its a hard argument to make.
Honestly the "worst problem" the rangers had was that we won the lotto 2x and got two wings, instead of the two centers we likely would've taken.
We had zegras and lindell on our boards high, We get them, we keep buch, and we probably have a much different team.
I also think the team with zegras and lindell might have let mika either walk, or trade him at the deadline.
That being said. I am very happy with where we are. Do we have too many long term deals for guys who will probably slow down on the back of them? Absolutely. Mika looks fine, and CK is almost half way through his, but Trocheck and Goodrow are too many years.
The cap going up in the next few years makes that a non issue, and we have the depth and talent to not really need to go fishing for much in UFA now, and we just need to lock up our kids, and if they develop we're a scary team.
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...Panarin being centered by Carpenter?
....what the hell have I walked into?
....what the hell have I walked into?
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If at any point of the season Trocheck and Panarin don't have chemistry and the solution is to bump Carpenter to 2C:
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If you read my post entirely I said it wouldn't surprise me if it eventually happens and Trochek has chemistry with a Kakko or Kravstov.
We've seen Jeff Toms, Rem Murray, Bobby Holik, Andreas Johanssen, Marcel Hossa, Brad Isbister, Colin Blackwell, Dryden Hunt all get top six minutes in our lifetime.
Remember in 07-08 when Dubinsky had to center Jagr because Gomez and GM Boy had no chemistry with him?
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Nils also missed pretty much the last two months + playoffs last season with what was rumored to be anything from a separated shoulder to a concussion. Low value.
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The thing with both Zibanejad and Panarin is they can both drive lines....and in Panarin's case it's more rare for a winger to be able to do that. Patrick Kane though would be another example. It diversifies our attack and effectively gives us two first lines. What we need to do is get guys like Lafreniere, Kakko and maybe Kravtsov more involved with those two players. What makes Mika even more effective is he's an excellent two way player--IMO even our best penalty killing forward and he's a tank or a big thick body. He also works really hard at things and gives a shit.
I think RB's point about covid f***ing up the cap here for several years should be kept in mind when we think about some of the contracts the Rangers have handed out. Kreider signed his for instance just days before the league shut down. It factored into decisions that both Gorton and Drury have had to make including to move Buchnevich. Perhaps the Rangers don't make that offer to Kreider knowing that the league would flatten the cap for several years but it's not just the Rangers....but anyway it's also not like Kreider hasn't given us very good bang for the buck either. Last year's 52 goals and I wouldn't be surprised if he put up at least 40+ again.
Meanwhile the Rangers have a lot of younger players who have established themselves notably Fox and Igor and a number of them aren't near their primes and should improve in coming seasons. Sometimes it takes time and it's not always because they're not getting opportunities like they would get with shittier teams like the Devils, Anaheim or Buffalo. IMO we're in a very good place....also not every top pick is going to be a keeper. It's not how things work. That said IMO Lias is the only real bust so far and to me it's partly because Lias kind of lost his way. I don't see a landing spot for Nils here so moving him on makes sense. That said I think he has what it takes to be a very good NHL player.
I think RB's point about covid f***ing up the cap here for several years should be kept in mind when we think about some of the contracts the Rangers have handed out. Kreider signed his for instance just days before the league shut down. It factored into decisions that both Gorton and Drury have had to make including to move Buchnevich. Perhaps the Rangers don't make that offer to Kreider knowing that the league would flatten the cap for several years but it's not just the Rangers....but anyway it's also not like Kreider hasn't given us very good bang for the buck either. Last year's 52 goals and I wouldn't be surprised if he put up at least 40+ again.
Meanwhile the Rangers have a lot of younger players who have established themselves notably Fox and Igor and a number of them aren't near their primes and should improve in coming seasons. Sometimes it takes time and it's not always because they're not getting opportunities like they would get with shittier teams like the Devils, Anaheim or Buffalo. IMO we're in a very good place....also not every top pick is going to be a keeper. It's not how things work. That said IMO Lias is the only real bust so far and to me it's partly because Lias kind of lost his way. I don't see a landing spot for Nils here so moving him on makes sense. That said I think he has what it takes to be a very good NHL player.
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Drop the frigging puck already. This place is getting more unbearable by the minute
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Hunt was on the same line as Panarin until the trade deadline. So anything is possible. I rather have Cuylle Othmann or even Kakko get a long look on a line with Panarin over Carpenter but I can see Carpenter getting a lot of PK time and defending leads
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I predict that Robertson snags that last D spot and Jones runs back to America and refuses to report.
I wouldn’t worry, Jones wasn’t drafted during one of our malcontent drafts.
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That’s ok, I pity you.
And I’ve never said the team was bad. I just don’t see a path to winning a Cup that doesn’t require a tremendous amount of luck.
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Handling of it post acquisition is also a big concern but given their on ice performance, we simply do not profile as a team with the elite talent to win like Chicago, Pittsburgh, Tampa, etc.
Well if you read what I’ve posted I said, if Lafreniere and Kakko develop into 80 point players this year, obviously that changes things. If it happens in 3 years, and Kreider and Zibanejad and Panarin are trending down, then we still don’t have enough.
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It sounds like a guy who learned a lesson and sees an opportunity. Good for him. I wish Nils would subscribe to Jonesy’s newsletter.
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