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I hope you're right, buy unfortunately, all we've seen from Hajek is the Nemeth skills starter bundle.
Speculation: Roster Building Thread: New Season Edition
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I hope you're right, buy unfortunately, all we've seen from Hajek is the Nemeth skills starter bundle.
TominNC
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That's again just makeng up reasons to hate on Drury. The Asst GM doesn't have his hands "all over" anything.
Who is the Rangers #1 center?
Unless someone here believes it was Strome last season, Zib was and is the #1 center. Never realized before that this might be a point of contention.
This is a useless argument. Mika is the rangers #1 center. Panarin is the rangers #1 winger.
They play on different lines.
Both line A and line B got similar ice time at 5v5 last season.
Panarin and Mika got similar ice time numbers.
The rangers have 2 "first" lines.
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No relation to Sergei, Joe
I agree, nothing is proven or disproven..nor did I mean to imply Steven made this up. Feels like maybe he was given bad info considering the way Jones has handled himself since being demoted. Or maybe he was having a bad day & began spouting off BS about not wanting to go to the AHL until he slept on it & came to his senses. These are 21, 22 year old kids after all, who are competitive & not used to being rejected. The fact that he showed up on time & paid his dues is the bigger story, IMO & whomever told Steve this should've kept his mouth shut honestly.
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We have been down this road many times. I maintain the belief that this team is not likely to win a Cup with the Kreider/Trouba/Zibanejad/Panarin core as their big pieces.
I don’t see them matching up to the Colorados and Tampas of the world. I don’t believe they have enough dynamic center talent or young forward talent in general. I think they knowingly sold out chances to get more young studs because they were in far too much of a hurry to get back to being a second round playoff team. I think they have locked themselves into a team that will be almost guaranteed to both always win one playoff round but never win the last game of the Cup finals either, and I think it is very much linked to stubbornness, impatience, greed, and shortsightedness from the owner and the GM.
If I believed this team was a favorite to win a couple Cups the next decade I’d be fine with where they are. But I don’t believe that.
And it’s complete nonsense that “I’m being unrealistic.” It’s not unrealistic for Tampa or Colorado to create powerhouses. The only people who say it’s unrealistic are the ones who don’t have the patience to see it through.
We should have done everything in our power to get 1-2 more high end young centers in here even if it cost us an overpaid second pair defender or second line winger. That’s still being closer to competitive than tanking.
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Sounds like you shouldn't waste your time watching them then.
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Thanks for your awesome advice. I’ll do what I f***ing please.
I love the “if you don’t cheer blindly for the real you must not be a fan” bit.
TominNC
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It's easy to be forever negative. You sstill get to celebrate the championship
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The team just went to the conference finals and was up 2-0 against Tampa, who you claim they cant match up with. You act the owner and GM wanting to win is a negative thing lol. You realize this is what most fans want right?
And if you dont think they can win with the veteran core they currently have, what makes you think they can win with a core including guys like Kakko/Kravtsov/Lundkvist etc. who you blindly defend despite doing next to nothing at the NHL level? What you advocate for sounds like a fairy tale on paper, but in practice that's how you become Buffalo/New Jersey/Detroit who have been irrelevant for a decade by slow playing their rebuilds.
The Rangers sent the letter in 2018. They rebuilt for 3 years then made the playoffs and made a run to the conference finals their first year back in the dance. Seems like a job well done to me. There's so much to be excited for going forward, I cant imagine being as negative as you are consistently.
I guess it would be different if they had Jason Robertson or Rasmus Kupari, eh?
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They should have continued to add MORE top young prospects to the surplus they already had (and still do) so that they can create even more of a logjam with the limited roster spots they have available so they can have more top draft picks request a trade to an organization with more opportunity, leading to you complaining and bitching that the organization is tainted and mishandles their prospects? No f***ing way this is a real comment. No way. Cannot be possible.
Get your popcorn ready for this circling of the wagon folks.
If you have it all figured out and dont believe this team is capable of winning anything anytime soon then as someone else said just dont watch. We dont need the constant bitching and negativity when this very young team just came off an ECF visit and the new season hasn’t even started yet.
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We wouldn't be able to get 1-2 more high end centers. We would've had to trade off shesty to do that. Shesty is a goalie that carries a team to the first round every season. We had some terrible forward groups in front of hank, and he carried us to wins we shouldn't have had.
If two of Laf / Kakko/ Kratsov/Chytil take the steps we want them to. The rangers will be able to compete with colorado and tampa, we competeted with tampa, and we lost mostly due to how tired we were.
Next year they'll know how to step on the gas in game 1 and not game 4.
The core of this team is Shesty,Fox,Panarin,Mika,Kreider.
Adding a 35/50/85 Laf, and a 25/40/65 (with great 2 way numbers) kakko.
And you have a team that runs the table.
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We all want to win, me more than anyone.
It’s about whether the team is capable of winning a Cup or Cups (I wouldn’t bet on it) versus if they can increase their odds by not needing to win so much (yet still not win a Cup) this year or last year or next year, etc.
The owner harming a future capable of winning Cups for a present incapable of winning a Cup is a bad thing, yes. Could care less what everyone else thinks.
Untrue. We will never become Buffalo, NJ, Arizona, etc. Franchise culture and resources play a huge part in it and we are the Rangers. We are never going to be the Coyotes.
Might we become Detroit? Heaven forfend, I’d hate to win 4 Cups followed by a half decade of incompetence.
It’s not a fairy tale. It’s just hard. I want to be like Colorado or Tampa; but I don’t think we have the forward talent to match them. Not this year. Maybe if Kakko and Lafreniere and Kravtsov all turn into studs, but if we are talking about 3 years from now then Zibanejad, Kreider and Panarin have all declined.
They cut it off too short. They needed more of a commitment to young high end forwards.
Yeah, if we had a 23 year old who just put up a year far better than Kreider ever did before this season, and a first round pick that was probably a center, instead of Kreider? And Kupari and another first round pick instead of Blais? Yeah, that would be better. If we had hit on those picks we would be basically done, yes.
There is a lot to be excited about, that’s the shame of it. It was a rebuild that wasn’t finished and now we have this amalgam of a team that doesn’t know what it’s trying to be. The on ice product at 5v5 was not good last year, is that fixed? Are they a juggernaut like Colorado or Tampa? I don’t think so. And if they aren’t, they probably aren’t winning a Cup because the Colorados and Tampas win about 90% of them and I just don’t think we are on that level.
We don’t have a logjam, especially at center.
Which is why it’s so embarrassing how Drury did mishandle the Kravtsov situation last year. Not sure why that’s hard to follow unless you are too distracted from all the Pom Pom waiving.
You mean you don’t want to hear it.
Sorry.
Not going to be shouted down by faux incredulity.
Fitzy
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Predicting a Breakout year for this Ranger.
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I think Tampa needed to shake the rust off just as much as us getting tired.
Sure if we add a 90 point player and a 70 point player to this year’s team with Laf and Kakko they can compete. The problem is, that’s not happening.
By the time those two players do turn into that, Panarin will probably no longer be 100 point Panarin, Kreider may be gone or will be 33 or 34 perhaps, and Zibanejad may be in decline as well, which statistically does happen to guys who will be at that age often. We are trying to thread a needle between two cores and that is not going to work.
Doubling down on a future that featured the best prospect pool in the game was the right move.
I would love to be wrong and see Lafreniere get 85 points and Kakko get 65 this year; if it does, you are right, we probably can compete with Tampa. I just don’t see that happening this year. I would bet more like 50 and 40 and that’s just not enough star power.
I don’t think getting another high end center or two is as hard as you think. We almost had a deal worked out in 2019 with Buch for 8th overall. It just means sacrificing something else, but not going all the way back to tanking.
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Don't call anyone a "groomer." It's flaming and you have no reason to even use the word.
I just made that a rule. This was your warning.
I just made that a rule. This was your warning.
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Some people have a thing where they forever prioritize unrealized potential over realized results. Especially when it’s a player we DONT have.
Kupari for instance. Here’s a guy older than Kakko, who Kakko has easily outperformed in the NHL. But NYR fans who are down on Kakko talk like we missed out on something huge by not getting this guy. I’m not convinced that he will even end up being as good as Blais. We will never know if a Buch trade with LA would have ended up better or worse. But it had the POTENTIAL to be better and that’s that if that’s your mindset. It’s like kind of like arguing with a believer over the existence of a supreme being, it doesn’t matter that they can’t prove there is, because you can’t prove there isn’t.
It’s part and parcel with a “grass is always greener” mindset in some folks and there’s nothing you can do to dispel some people of thinking those ways. Why bother? Someone wants to be miserable, let them. Personally if I’m going through a thread these days and any particular poster(s) starts deep ending with the negativity I just skip over subsequent posts. I'm sure it’s better for all involved. Hahaha
Kupari for instance. Here’s a guy older than Kakko, who Kakko has easily outperformed in the NHL. But NYR fans who are down on Kakko talk like we missed out on something huge by not getting this guy. I’m not convinced that he will even end up being as good as Blais. We will never know if a Buch trade with LA would have ended up better or worse. But it had the POTENTIAL to be better and that’s that if that’s your mindset. It’s like kind of like arguing with a believer over the existence of a supreme being, it doesn’t matter that they can’t prove there is, because you can’t prove there isn’t.
It’s part and parcel with a “grass is always greener” mindset in some folks and there’s nothing you can do to dispel some people of thinking those ways. Why bother? Someone wants to be miserable, let them. Personally if I’m going through a thread these days and any particular poster(s) starts deep ending with the negativity I just skip over subsequent posts. I'm sure it’s better for all involved. Hahaha
GENESISPuck94
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i expect Tampa to be a contender again but I don’t see where the Lightning improved in the off season. They basically replaced Palat and McDonagh with Namestnikov and Cole.…and in the next few years as more of their core age out probably starting with Stamkos and Killorn the Rangers younger players will move into their primes. Tampa does not have the quality younger players that we do.
It’s not to say that guys like Kucherov, Hedman, Point, Sergachev, Cirelli and Vasilevskiy don’t have a bunch of good years ahead of them but that’s a group that pretty much is in the same bracket with Mika, Panarin, Kreider, Trouba and Trocheck. We can match them way better than they’ll be able to match our under 25’s now.
Nils pretty much proved nothing last year. He did not have a good year either with the Rangers or the Pack. I expect he’ll be better but IMO camp or no camp he became one of our most movable assets once Schneider beat him out.
This team is no longer in a retool/rebuild stage. Even so we still have a strong development process going on and many young players who I expect to be future Rangers. Both of these things can be true at the same time and organizationally it’s the best scenario that a team can have.
It’s not to say that guys like Kucherov, Hedman, Point, Sergachev, Cirelli and Vasilevskiy don’t have a bunch of good years ahead of them but that’s a group that pretty much is in the same bracket with Mika, Panarin, Kreider, Trouba and Trocheck. We can match them way better than they’ll be able to match our under 25’s now.
Nils pretty much proved nothing last year. He did not have a good year either with the Rangers or the Pack. I expect he’ll be better but IMO camp or no camp he became one of our most movable assets once Schneider beat him out.
This team is no longer in a retool/rebuild stage. Even so we still have a strong development process going on and many young players who I expect to be future Rangers. Both of these things can be true at the same time and organizationally it’s the best scenario that a team can have.
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