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Speculation: Roster Building Thread: New Season Edition

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GENESISPuck94 said:
No it isn't.

It's pointing out how stupid this franchise is. Having two stud superstar caliber forwards in their early 20s being denied special teams play. It's idiotic.

Trocheck should be playing most of his time 5v5 and that's it.

Lafreniere and Kakko determine if this team wins a Cup or not. Make no mistake about it.
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Nope...Laf & KK's playing time on the PP at this stage won't be the reason we do or don't win a Cup....no Cups are won in October that I am aware of except for the few in Toronto LOL....Let Gallant keep feeding the thoroughbreds for now until the numbers drop and if we get a few games where we have a good score run up use the kids more on PP's . As the season progresses the vets won't be out as long as they absorb some routine bruising and such from more divisional match ups . It is only game 5 on the sched....there is no panic on the ice . Gallant will have it all come together come playoff time ......and THEN Laf and KK will be called upon to do much more heavy lifting with the younger legs .
 
Just for clarification. I don't have anything against Trocheck. He's a good player. Not great. But good. And im of the strong belief that this team won't win a Cup until Laf and Kakko are the guys and the sooner they are they better. And I want the same thing everyone else wants: winning. But as I said, I don't believe it's going to happen until our two cornerstone picks are the guys leading the way. I kind of hope I'm wrong. But until they're the ones the team leans on and guys like Zib, Panarin, and Kreids are looked at as support, I don't think it's going to happen. I look around the league and at history. That's how it works nearly all the time. Doesn't make Zib, Panarin, etc any less important. Look at Chicago. As good as Hossa was he was support for Kane and Toews.
 
Maybe we're not chasing the cup. Maybe we're chasing transformative excellence. Hmmm.
 
Fitzy said:
Laf and Kakko don't have the upside of Zibanejad/Panarin so I have no idea why the argument that they need to be our very best forwards for us to win a cup holds any water whatsoever.

They both can be very good players, but neither are ever going to be hart trophy finalists.
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I mean were Panarin and Zibanejad looked at as someone like that when they were 21-22 year olds either. We don't really know how their development is going to go from here on out. Was Mika in year 1 as a Ranger someone we all thought would be putting up over a point per game? Panarin was still in Russia when he was this age.

I think we should reserve judgement when it comes to these guys. We don't really know what they could be even this season. They're just scratching the surface.

Unless you are talking about this season, then yes, they don't have that upside for the remaining 78 + postseason.
 
GENESISPuck94 said:
Just for clarification. I don't have anything against Trocheck. He's a good player. Not great. But good. And im of the strong belief that this team won't win a Cup until Laf and Kakko are the guys and the sooner they are they better. And I want the same thing everyone else wants: winning. But as I said, I don't believe it's going to happen until our two cornerstone picks are the guys leading the way. I kind of hope I'm wrong. But until they're the ones the team leans on and guys like Zib, Panarin, and Kreids are looked at as support, I don't think it's going to happen. I look around the league and at history. That's how it works nearly all the time. Doesn't make Zib, Panarin, etc any less important. Look at Chicago. As good as Hossa was he was support for Kane and Toews.
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The problem with your thinking (IMO) is that Zibanejad and Panarin are by far the most talented and productive forwards on this team right now and they're more or less still in their primes. the goal should be for them to lead the way on a series of cup runs right now with Laf and Kakko providing support (and hopefully doing their fair share and more at even strength) and as they start to decline then laf and Kakko will be the ones coming into their primes and taking over.

If we wait for Panarin and Zib to really be on the decline then I'd be far more afraid we have missed the window.

There's nothing wrong with those guys leading the way right now and Laf and Kakko leading the way in the (sooner than you'd like to think) future.
 
GENESISPuck94 said:
Just for clarification. I don't have anything against Trocheck. He's a good player. Not great. But good. And im of the strong belief that this team won't win a Cup until Laf and Kakko are the guys and the sooner they are they better. And I want the same thing everyone else wants: winning. But as I said, I don't believe it's going to happen until our two cornerstone picks are the guys leading the way. I kind of hope I'm wrong. But until they're the ones the team leans on and guys like Zib, Panarin, and Kreids are looked at as support, I don't think it's going to happen. I look around the league and at history. That's how it works nearly all the time. Doesn't make Zib, Panarin, etc any less important. Look at Chicago. As good as Hossa was he was support for Kane and Toews.
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For some reason you're ignoring the 4 cornerstones who are currently leading the way, simply because the kids aren't putting up enough numbers.
 
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Fitzy said:
Laf and Kakko don't have the upside of Zibanejad/Panarin so I have no idea why the argument that they need to be our very best forwards for us to win a cup holds any water whatsoever.

They both can be very good players, but neither are ever going to be hart trophy finalists.
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To be fair, no one had those level of expectations for Zibaenjad in 2013 or Panarin in 2012.
 
NYR2007 said:
Is anyone else concerned that bread appears to be playing the same way as the playoffs last year. Pulling up in the neutral zone, sending cross ice pass, which team shut down in the playoffs. He preached that he wanted to be better for the playoffs and wasn’t happy with his game but he’s playing the same exact way right now in the regular season.

Listen I understand he’s putting up points but I was expecting to see him play a little more north south rather then east west after how he critiqued his game going into this season .

Just a observation, wondering how you guys feel
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I don’t agree at all. I think Panarin has been involved and quite creative. If he played like this in the playoffs last year, the result might have been different.
 
Boris Zubov said:
Still my favorite Rangers team til this day. That team was so much fun to watch.
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I was a kid and I loved that team. Had a whole bunch of come from behind victories that year. Scoring throughout the lineup. Finally found my favorite regular season game I've seen as a fan on youtube. The Rangers huge comeback against the Caps the day after Christmas:

 
JCProdigy said:
I was a kid and I loved that team. Had a whole bunch of come from behind victories that year. Scoring throughout the lineup. Finally found my favorite regular season game I've seen as a fan on youtube. The Rangers huge comeback against the Caps the day after Christmas:

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I'll never forget that game. Was underage, drinking in a local Irish bar in Queens playing pool with my friends. The place erupted when we tied the score.
 
GENESISPuck94 said:
The solution is still simple. I don't gaf what Trocheck did yesterday, his value to this franchise moving forward pales in comparison to Lafreniere and Kakko.

There doesn't need to be another righty on PP1 so badly that Laf and Kakko get denied PP1 time. It's ridiculous.

Laf and Kakko could easily rotate on PP1 and it wouldn't miss a beat guaranteed.

That's too big brain for Gallant. But at least he's finally getting them some even strength time.
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Two guys for O-Zone draws. Trochek has 5 points in 4 games. Take a step back. Zibanejad Kreider Fox Panarin and Trochek have been lethal so far. There's no reason to change ANYTHING at this point.

And, I'll disagree, Trochek is vitally important to the Rangers for the next 4-5 years as a 2C.
 
Kords said:
Bettman now saying the cap is likely to increase by 4 million next season. Glad I never wasted any mental energy debating the cap crunch....
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The only thing that changes for us is that we'll have the option of signing someone long term.

Most likely still bridged though... and extra cap used to stack the team.

We have a strong 2-3 year window where we should win a Cup IMO..

Vets in their prime and kids entering theirs. We're in the goldilocks zone. Time to go for it IMO
 
GENESISPuck94 said:
They should be getting the 5v5 time they're getting. They should also be getting special teams time.

The Rangers will not win a Cup without Laf and Kakko being the players they can be in all situations. It's not going to happen before then.

The other issue is them sitting for extended periods of time during games because of special teams. That shouldn't happen.
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You are being rightly called out by others for how delusional this is. Laf and Kakko look great and they will still improve. Even then, the chances of them being as dominant and effective, like on the scoresheet, as Zib and Panarin, are still pretty remote.

The time to win is now while we have these elite players in their prime. Having these amazing young kids as secondary players is how you win.
 
mas0764 said:
You are omitting what makes him worth it or not: the player you are getting in return when you use the selection to draft.

8 weeks of Kane isn’t worth it either.
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I love when you speak in absolutes as if you know the future and better than an NHL organization.
 
The team will want a move for a good 2 way 3rd line winger that can play multiple forward spots. Maybe a 4th line forward depending on injuries. And a reliable bottom pair defenseman for injuries.

Kreider Zib Kakko
Panarin Trocheck Laf
Blais Chytil _____
Vesey Goodrow _____
Carpenter/Reaves/Hunt


Pavelski, Horvat, Nick Ritchie, Barbashev, Dadanov, and maybe Paul Byron are names to keep an eye on as UFA rentals on teams that could be out of it
 
GENESISPuck94 said:
Imagine, just imagine, if they were on PP1 instead of the glorified 3rd line center that's there now.
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The glorified 3rd line center that has 5 points in 4 games, has been very good on the faceoff dot in all situations, and has brought an element of defensive awareness to balance out Panarin’s lack of defensive awareness on line 2? Exaggerate much?
 
Crease said:
I don't know what to tell you. Their PP is 33%.
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PP is tied for 5th in the league. They will likely stay in the top 5 throughout the year. They were 4th last year and I believe 2nd among playoff teams. But yet we still have a cast of characters who want to bitch and moan about the PP personnel deployment…. And this in the face of one of their leaders specifically stating why they like a righty in the bumper spot on PP1. Again, the one that is a top 5 unit in the league…
 
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