Speculation: Roster Building Thread: New Season Edition

[HockeyBasedNYC]

Kreider - Zibanejad - Kakko
Panarin - Trocheck - Lafreniere
Vesey - Chytil - Kravtsov
Goodrow - Carpenter - Blais
Reaves/Hunt

I'd go this route as well, until Blais shows he's got his form back.

Same could be said for Kravy, but you dont want him buried on the 4th with Carpenter as his middle man.
Blais is more adept at playing that role (obvious).

I think Chytil can be given the keys to the 3rd line all year and whoever is with him, he is the driver there.

Vesey - Chytil - Kravstov
Blais - Chytil - Kravstov
Goodrow - Chytil - Kravstov

All could be effective. Actually think that last one may be the best combo

 

[irishlaxburger2]

If Kravtsov can even be halfway decent on the third line and we don't run into major injuries, there's no need to bring in someone like Kane.

Can make similar moves to last year just bringing in guys to sure up depth.

 

[Crease]

The thing that has me worried is that Chytil has never been a driver. And with Laf and Kakko in the top six, the third line becomes a line of Chytil and spare parts. This is why it's so critical for Kravtsov to pan out and quickly.

 

[Raspewtin]

The thing that has me worried is that Chytil has never been a driver. And with Laf and Kakko in the top six, the third line becomes a line of Chytil and spare parts. This is why it's so critical for Kravtsov to pan out and quickly.

the good thing with Chytil is that since his playoffs, he's refined his ability to grind and do the little things. he's stronger on the boards and protecting the puck and can work with muckers now. his goal yesterday came from just hard work and battling in front of the net. hopefully that's helpful

 

[IDvsEGO]

The thing that has me worried is that Chytil has never been a driver. And with Laf and Kakko in the top six, the third line becomes a line of Chytil and spare parts. This is why it's so critical for Kravtsov to pan out and quickly.

I mean did you not watch the game last night? Puck Carries, retrevals, and possession. Oh and he scored.

I'd go this route as well, until Blais shows he's got his form back.

Same could be said for Kravy, but you dont want him buried on the 4th with Carpenter as his middle man.
Blais is more adept at playing that role (obvious).

I think Chytil can be given the keys to the 3rd line all year and whoever is with him, he is the driver there.

Vesey - Chytil - Kravstov
Blais - Chytil - Kravstov
Goodrow - Chytil - Kravstov

All could be effective. Actually think that last one may be the best combo

Goodrow is better on the fourth. He’s not a guy to help w puck possession. He’s a dump and chase and forecheck guy. Blais is better suited imo.

 

[HockeyBasedNYC]

I mean did you not watch the game last night? Puck Carries, retrevals, and possession. Oh and he scored.


Goodrow is better on the fourth. He’s not a guy to help w puck possession. He’s a dump and chase and forecheck guy. Blais is better suited imo.

When Goodrow is on he is a sneaky player in all zones, but I mainly like that combo because with Kravy and Chytil you are lacking on the defensive side of the puck. Goodrow would help solidify that more than Blais.

But in a perfect scenario Goodrow is best suited in a 4th line role, I agree.

 

[mas0764]

Maybe if the Rangers stop doing Ranger like things they might become a long term contender who maybe wins a Cup or more?

Teams don't just do that by renting every year, they build up to it, in pretty much every case it takes a long time.

Rangers skipping those steps is not going to get them there. They've already tried that.

And that doesn't mean there is never a time to rent, but perhaps it's not the very first year you are in the playoffs after an extended absense? Perhaps it's not when Shesterkin is 26 and Fox is 23 just because your top line LW is 30? If the 30 year old declines, that's why you drafted wings 1st and 2nd overall.

This isn't our last bite at the apple. If your young core isn't good enough to win it all yet, then maybe patience is the answer instead of overspending to turn a flawed product into a less flawed product.

Keep building and you won't even need expensive rentals.

I’d suggest we wait to see who might be available at the trade deadline before pushing any chips into the middle. Needs may change and available players may also be different. I’d love to see the rangers have a deadline like Colorado last year adding Lehkonen and Manson and not trading a first

I think Colorado did spend a first on Lehkonnen, no? But that would be the tier of player I'd target and I wouldn't spend a first to do it.

 

[HockeyBasedNYC]

So I'm watching highlights last night and yet again theres Crosby off to his usual start. When hes on the ice, he is elite and theres no denying that. His play really hasn't dipped at all. He's 35 years old. And it got me thinking.


If Mika continues to improve, or just stays as the Mika we know, his contract is up at 35. Obviously he is no Crosby, but he is in the elite level of the league and continues to prove so.

At that point (6 years) Lafreniere will be 26, Kakko 27, Fox 30, Miller 28, Schneider 27, Igor 32, Chytil 29, Othmann 25 if he sticks. Kreider is a freak he still may be decent at 37, but maybe gone by then. Panarin will be 36. Probably gone. But his contract ends at 33. Kane is 33 right now and is still very effective so you may be able to get a lot back in return. The young core of the team is still intact and all in their prime. I didnt mention Kravstov because I dont think hell be here (sorry JoVo lol).

Crosby will be 41. Hard to believe he will still be playing or elite. But with him you never know.

Regardless - if the Rangers play this right this team could be contenders for years. What they need is one gamebreaker to fill into the top 6 up front. That's why you hold onto those first rounders in this draft and either trade up for the best possible kid you can get or throw two darts at the board from 4 feet away.

 

[mas0764]

If the Rangers look poised to make a run as a top contender in the playoffs, I’m not opposed to moving their first round pick with a condition that they reach the ECF, like last year, if it’s the right fit. I would not move both 1sts and would hold the better of the two.

As much as I'm against trading any of the firsts at all, if they are going to, at least make the condition that they MAKE the Cup finals (or win the Cup). If you win the Cup then the first is worth it.

I also wouldn’t move Kravtsov. Even if he struggles, next years cap is going to be tight, and if he can be resigned to another 1 year deal around $1M, that’ll be good for the team and give him another chance to keep developing.

Same. There's no rush, he's still just 22. So what, he doesn't become a first line stud? Can he still be a valuable cheap middle liner? Maybe he develops later like Buch.

There is no rush, but some don't like him and just want to close the book on him out of personal animosity, or so they can call scoreboard.

They may end up moving Jones and Chytil in the off-season for more early picks and ELC talent bc of the cap. No rush to move them for a rental.

It depends how much money they need but Chytil should be one of the last ones moved.

Goodrow should go first.

I'm sorry but you just can't keep everyone and one of the expensive vets should go over any of the talented, far cheaper kids. Chytil's playoffs put him in the camp where you would have to slot him in as a keeper right now (the rest of this regular season pending, of course, but he has looked good so far and has a goal already).

Goodrow is a fourth liner for us. I don't care if he played the third line or the second line in Tampa. Here he's a fourth liner. A good one, but still just a fourth. Chytil continues to have top 6 upside.

You can find those grit guys at every deadline often for less than a first round pick. If I need ~$3m for extensions, Goodrow is the one I'm moving way before Chytil.

As I've said, depending on what other teams were willing to offer, I'd listen on Trouba and Kreider too, and try to convince them to waive, but that subject is taboo.

 

[mas0764]

I could definitely see Chytil coming in at 4-5 years at 4-4.5 million.

We are projected to have 18 million in space next season, can make that 21 by moving on from Lindgren. 21 should be enough for a bridge for Laf, 4 million for Chytil and up to 6.5 for Miller long term.

I love Miller but I'm not convinced, as he will not be playing on the power play, that he racks up enough points to get such a huge contract. The NHL also seems very incremental, like, Miller is 22, it's not his time for a big deal yet, unless he wins a Norris like Makar or Fox, which, as I just covered, he won't put up enough points to get into that discussion. On top of that teams will note that he plays on the "second pair."

You won't steal him like Lindgren for $3m to play top pair, but Miller is a classic candidate that you extend out as far as you possibly can and I bet it comes in under $6m. In a couple years it will be a steal.

Yeah, I mean I don’t even disagree with your points about Kane at all, I fall more on your side when it comes to potentially trading for him anyway. If we were a team needing a shot in the arm to our PP (like Hank’s rangers could’ve used) then maybe I could see Kane making sense. It’s a long season and so much can happen between now and the TDL but I could see this deadline being quiet with maybe a couple of depth moves.

As it stands now, barring injury, I don’t even see a need for him even if the cost were very low. I want Laf and Kakko on those top two RW spots all year and hopefully they’re both great this year and Drury doesn’t even consider making a move for Kane. You never know though, that extra 1st could burn a hole in Drury’s pocket. Someone may be out there that they could see as an upgrade in the top 6 and slide one of the kids down seeing that as an upgrade for both lines. You never know. Hopefully the team has such a good season that it won’t be necessary.

If the cost is low I want Kane. We do need another plus-value top 9 winger (Blais is an average top 9 winger, really an average third liner, and a plus fourth liner).

I'm just not paying a first or high end prospect for him (Krav, Othmann or Robertson).

Can we resign KAM now or do we have to wait to Jan 1?

Look, KAM doesn’t have arbitration rights, he can sign a contract with us, an offer sheet or go play in Russia. Minimum 7 years.

I'd give Miller that contract all day long, 7 for $30m. I expect he'll be higher but I'm not sure how much higher.

 

[bhamill]

Trading the 25th or later pick won’t really make or break anything .

No ONE action will. As part of a pattern it will. That’s the problem, the pattern.

The Rangers have made 9 first round picks in the last six drafts. They have not been renting every year. The teams that are playoff teams, do generally rent every year. You need only look at the trade history of the picks 25-32 to see .

A lot of those late first round trades are flip flops. See Schneider and Miller. So you are not trading away your first so much as exchanging it for another.

 

[bhamill]

The Rangers have made 9 first round picks in the last six drafts. They have not been renting every year. The teams that are playoff teams, do generally rent every year. You need only look at the trade history of the picks 25-32 to see .

A lot of those late first round trades are flip flops. See Schneider and Miller. So you are not trading away your first so much as exchanging it for another. That’s four first rounders traded in two deals and every team kept a first.

 

[GAGLine]

Can we resign KAM now or do we have to wait to Jan 1?

We can sign him now. The Jan 1 date is only for players on 1 year contracts. Players on multi-year contracts can be extended as of the first day of the last year of their contract.

 

[Mac n Gs]

The thing that has me worried is that Chytil has never been a driver. And with Laf and Kakko in the top six, the third line becomes a line of Chytil and spare parts. This is why it's so critical for Kravtsov to pan out and quickly.

Chytil's had year-to-year improvements in his underlying numbers, so I'm not sure I'd agree with saying he isn't a driver. The main problem, IMO, has been a mix of bad-quality linemates or a streak of terrible finishing luck. We've seen what he can do in limited samples with better players, and he always produces there.

 

[tomobson]

Chytil's had year-to-year improvements in his underlying numbers, so I'm not sure I'd agree with saying he isn't a driver. The main problem, IMO, has been a mix of bad-quality linemates or a streak of terrible finishing luck. We've seen what he can do in limited samples with better players, and he always produces there.

Chytil hasn't gotten a lot of chances to play with NHL linemates in his time here. I think people have been wanting him to do too much with too little. He usually does well when he gets moved up the lineup to play with actual talent. Hopefully GG is ready to throw Blais or VK74 on that third line once one of them are healthy instead of keeping Vesey there.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

2013-2016 Players drafted with first round picks traded away by the Rangers, with their career totals:

2013: 19th overall - Kirby Rychel 43GP 3G 11A (No longer playing anywhere)
2014: 28th overall - Josh Ho-Sang 53GP 7G 17A (Currently playing in KHL)
2015: 28th overall - Anthony Beauvillier 408Gp 93G 96A (Current NHL player)
2016: 20th overall - Dennis Cholowski 115GP 10G 20A (Current AHL player)


I'm ok giving up late firsts for players for a run.

 

[Ola]

Chytil's had year-to-year improvements in his underlying numbers, so I'm not sure I'd agree with saying he isn't a driver. The main problem, IMO, has been a mix of bad-quality linemates or a streak of terrible finishing luck. We've seen what he can do in limited samples with better players, and he always produces there.

Chytil from my POV has fantastic gifts but he plays a terribly simplistic offensive game. He puts his head down and drives to the net, he looks up and make the simple pass.

It’s not odd, the last 5 years he has played at a level a tad over his head in NA and before that he played a year as a 16-17 y/o in the Czech Elite League where he got 4+4 in 38 games. If you play 6 years in a row against players better than you, you won’t develop an advanced offensive game because you will never have the puck with time on your hands.

For most talented wingers, Chytil is an awful center. That is where I want to see the most improvement. He needs to learn to create space for his wingers.

 

[Boris Zubov]

2013-2016 Players drafted with first round picks traded away by the Rangers, with their career totals:

2013: 19th overall - Kirby Rychel 43GP 3G 11A (No longer playing anywhere)
2014: 28th overall - Josh Ho-Sang 53GP 7G 17A (Currently playing in KHL)
2015: 28th overall - Anthony Beauvillier 408Gp 93G 96A (Current NHL player)
2016: 20th overall - Dennis Cholowski 115GP 10G 20A (Current AHL player)


I'm ok giving up late firsts for players for a run.

You're alive?!?

 

[TheBloodyNine]

You're alive?!?

I cannot be killed by conventional means.

 

[AlaBlueShirt]

2013-2016 Players drafted with first round picks traded away by the Rangers, with their career totals:

2013: 19th overall - Kirby Rychel 43GP 3G 11A (No longer playing anywhere)
2014: 28th overall - Josh Ho-Sang 53GP 7G 17A (Currently playing in KHL)
2015: 28th overall - Anthony Beauvillier 408Gp 93G 96A (Current NHL player)
2016: 20th overall - Dennis Cholowski 115GP 10G 20A (Current AHL player)


I'm ok giving up late firsts for players for a run.

2023 class is something else.

 

[mas0764]

2013-2016 Players drafted with first round picks traded away by the Rangers, with their career totals:

2013: 19th overall - Kirby Rychel 43GP 3G 11A (No longer playing anywhere)
2014: 28th overall - Josh Ho-Sang 53GP 7G 17A (Currently playing in KHL)
2015: 28th overall - Anthony Beauvillier 408Gp 93G 96A (Current NHL player)
2016: 20th overall - Dennis Cholowski 115GP 10G 20A (Current AHL player)


I'm ok giving up late firsts for players for a run.

Keep in mind players picked later (Within reason, ie, the next ten picks, not some sixth round steal), who might have been our picks. Or, we could have traded up slightly.

2013, could have had Shea Theodore.
2014, could have had Thatcher Demko. David Pastrnak went 25 and might have been able to get in trade up.
2015, could have had Sebastian Aho (the good one).
2016... eh, I got nothing. Tage Thompson? Jordan Kyrou at 35?

I'm ok with OCCASIONALLY giving up a late first for a run. Not every year. Not four years in a row. Not in a year where the draft is reputed to be loaded and when we need a long term center or two for the pipeline.

 

[EdJovanovski]

I cannot be killed by conventional means.

The Kravtsov of posters, just keep coming back when everyone counted you out

 

[mas0764]

Chytil from my POV has fantastic gifts but he plays a terribly simplistic offensive game. He puts his head down and drives to the net, he looks up and make the simple pass.

It’s not odd, the last 5 years he has played at a level a tad over his head in NA and before that he played a year as a 16-17 y/o in the Czech Elite League where he got 4+4 in 38 games. If you play 6 years in a row against players better than you, you won’t develop an advanced offensive game because you will never have the puck with time on your hands.

For most talented wingers, Chytil is an awful center. That is where I want to see the most improvement. He needs to learn to create space for his wingers.

If we acquire another young center, Chytil can move to wing.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

Keep in mind players picked later (Within reason, ie, the next ten picks, not some sixth round steal), who might have been our picks. Or, we could have traded up slightly.

2013, could have had Shea Theodore.
2014, could have had Thatcher Demko. David Pastrnak went 25 and might have been able to get in trade up.
2015, could have had Sebastian Aho (the good one).
2016... eh, I got nothing. Tage Thompson? Jordan Kyrou at 35?

I'm ok with OCCASIONALLY giving up a late first for a run. Not every year. Not four years in a row. Not in a year where the draft is reputed to be loaded and when we need a long term center or two for the pipeline.

Sure, but would the Rangers have picked these players? The way they have drafted I would be comfortable leaning towards no. The Rangers could have had Nick Suzuki in 2017 and we know how that worked out.

2023 class is something else.

True, but our window is now and we have 2 picks. Amazing or not, we aren't seeing that player for at least 2 years. Definitely ok giving up 1 of them for a significant piece.

 

[mas0764]

Sure, but would the Rangers have picked these players? The way they have drafted I would be comfortable leaning towards no. The Rangers could have had Nick Suzuki in 2017 and we know how that worked out.

The Rangers tend to do better with their later first round picks ironically. Kreider, JT Miller, Chytil, Lundkvist and Miller, Schneider, and Othmann. I bet they bat 50% at least.