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Another reason I want Kane nowhere near this team is because of all the crap that went on behind the scenes with the Blackhawks. Leadership in that locker room failed their brother. Kane and Toews are complicit IMO and that's years after Kane beat on a cab driver over pocket change. Don't care who he is or what he's accomplished while f'n over his teammate is inexcusable sweeping it under the rug. That whole organization.
 
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Maybe if the Rangers stop doing Ranger like things they might become a long term contender who maybe wins a Cup or more?

Teams don't just do that by renting every year, they build up to it, in pretty much every case it takes a long time.

Rangers skipping those steps is not going to get them there. They've already tried that.
 
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Off Sides said:
Maybe if the Rangers stop doing Ranger like things they might become a long term contender who maybe wins a Cup or more?

Teams don't just do that by renting every year, they build up to it, in pretty much every case it takes a long time.

Rangers skipping those steps is not going to get them there. They've already tried that.
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Off Sides said:
Maybe if the Rangers stop doing Ranger like things they might become a long term contender who maybe wins a Cup or more?

Teams don't just do that by renting every year, they build up to it, in pretty much every case it takes a long time.

Rangers skipping those steps is not going to get them there. They've already tried that.
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Trading the 25th or later pick won’t really make or break anything .
 
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Off Sides said:
Maybe if the Rangers stop doing Ranger like things they might become a long term contender who maybe wins a Cup or more?

Teams don't just do that by renting every year, they build up to it, in pretty much every case it takes a long time.

Rangers skipping those steps is not going to get them there. They've already tried that.
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The Rangers have made 9 first round picks in the last six drafts. They have not been renting every year. The teams that are playoff teams, do generally rent every year. You need only look at the trade history of the picks 25-32 to see .
 
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SA16 said:
The Rangers have made 9 first round picks in the last six drafts. They have not been renting every year. The teams that are playoff teams, do generally rent every year. You need only look at the trade history of the picks 25-32 to see .
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Half the playoff team do not use a first round pick to rent every year.

Your history of those picks include picks that fall outside of rentals. Tampa did not rent last two years, they traded for a player who had at least a year left on his contract. They rented Savard 3 years ago.
 
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Crease said:
Surprised how quick some fans are to trade Kravtsov and insert Othmann in that spot. If they expect Othmann to be a productive NHLer within the next 2-3 seasons, I have a Chytil/Kakko/Lafreniere-sized bridge to sell them. Has anyone been paying attention to the Rangers track record with forward prospects? They take years and years in the bottom six. I would wager Kravtsov is actually closer to being a productive NHLer than Othmann, ceiling aside.
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For the time being Kravtsov is cheap cost controlled talent. We need some of that to offset some of these big cap hits. Let Othmann marinate, give him some AHL time
 
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Profet said:
Maybe... like all your other commentary, this is not a guarantee.

You seem really interested in trading known quantities for magic beans.

There are plenty of teams that spend a decade in a rebuild, and then subsequently spend another decade in a re-rebuild.
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And then there are the Cup winners who spend time in a rebuild, nail it, and win cups.

First round picks are magic beans, lol.
 
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bobbop said:
I’d suggest we wait to see who might be available at the trade deadline before pushing any chips into the middle. Needs may change and available players may also be different. I’d love to see the rangers have a deadline like Colorado last year adding Lehkonen and Manson and not trading a first
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Too logical.. what else ya got?
 
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Signings like Vesey will become more and more important as our young studs age out of ELC's and or bridges and need pay raises. Can't afford 1.5-3 million or more for bottom 6 vets as you have to pay kids.

Saw it with Motte and Rooney finding different teams this summer, being replaced by Vesey and Carpenter essentially for 1.2 the price. Next up will be Goodrow and Reaves will either have to see his pay hit the league min or he will see another roster. Blais as good as gone.

PTO's and 850K quality vets to fill the holes that aren't the core + the kids. Veseys just the start. May have to pay him more, and its only early, but I'd bet you could get another cheap deal out of him to stay in NY. We traded him after he commited to us as a college FA and he still came back without a guaranteed contract and worked his bag off until he got one. I'd bet he wants to stick around and would take less to do so.

THAT is the culture you wnat to build. A place where you top guys salary fall in line (like Tampa) and a place where guys want to take less to play (also Tampa). Worked for them, a la 2 Cups and a SCF.

So I ask ...

WHY NOT US???
 
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Half the playoff team do not use a first round pick to rent every year.

Your history of those picks include picks that fall outside of rentals. Tampa did not rent last two years, they traded for a player who had at least a year left on his contract. They rented Savard 3 years ago.
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Tampas trade was worse than a rental. They traded two first round picks for two years left for a guy who isn't even very good. They could have just traded one first round pick for a better player who was a rental and then done the same with it this year.
 
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Tampas trade was worse than a rental. They traded two first round picks for two years left for a guy who isn't even very good. They could have just traded one first round pick for a better player who was a rental and then done the same with it this year.
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Just noting, the picks we are talking about are not always just for rentals. There are some 1sts that are traded for just pure rentals.

Then there are others that are for players signed longer, or part of cap dumps, or take back some sort of asset beyond the rental or the 1st. To move up and down in a draft.

Treating them all the same when we are talking about a pure rental situation (of a 10M cap hit player) where the Rangers can not extend the player is a little different than lumping them all together.
 
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If the Rangers look poised to make a run as a top contender in the playoffs, I’m not opposed to moving their first round pick with a condition that they reach the ECF, like last year, if it’s the right fit. I would not move both 1sts and would hold the better of the two.

I also wouldn’t move Kravtsov. Even if he struggles, next years cap is going to be tight, and if he can be resigned to another 1 year deal around $1M, that’ll be good for the team and give him another chance to keep developing.

Chytil is a huge question mark for me because even if Miller and Laf take bridge deals, keeping him is going to be difficult without moving out money. Unless he comes in at around $4M for 4 years or something like that. We have to see where he’s headed. Even so, with his playoffs last year, I’d rather just keep him and if he has to be moved in the off-season, you move him for more high picks/young talent that’s cheaper. He’s not a throw in for a rental.

The Rangers should be making the same kind of moves they made last year, identifying holes and targeting cost-effective solutions for middle of the road assets that are replaceable.

They may end up moving Jones and Chytil in the off-season for more early picks and ELC talent bc of the cap. No rush to move them for a rental.
 
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If the Rangers look poised to make a run as a top contender in the playoffs, I’m not opposed to moving their first round pick with a condition that they reach the ECF, like last year, if it’s the right fit. I would not move both 1sts and would hold the better of the two.

I also wouldn’t move Kravtsov. Even if he struggles, next years cap is going to be tight, and if he can be resigned to another 1 year deal around $1M, that’ll be good for the team and give him another chance to keep developing.

Chytil is a huge question mark for me because even if Miller and Laf take bridge deals, keeping him is going to be difficult without moving out money. Unless he comes in at around $4M for 4 years or something like that. We have to see where he’s headed. Even so, with his playoffs last year, I’d rather just keep him and if he has to be moved in the off-season, you move him for more high picks/young talent that’s cheaper. He’s not a throw in for a rental.

The Rangers should be making the same kind of moves they made last year, identifying holes and targeting cost-effective solutions for middle of the road assets that are replaceable.

They may end up moving Jones and Chytil in the off-season for more early picks and ELC talent bc of the cap. No rush to move them for a rental.
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I could definitely see Chytil coming in at 4-5 years at 4-4.5 million.

We are projected to have 18 million in space next season, can make that 21 by moving on from Lindgren. 21 should be enough for a bridge for Laf, 4 million for Chytil and up to 6.5 for Miller long term.

Goodrow is also an option to move, dependant on plans.

Agreed on moving our 1st round with the condition of Conf finals for anyone other than Kane, for Kane I hand it over with no conditions. Agreed on keeping Dallas' 1st.

Disagree on Krav, way too early predictions for lineup next season is

Kreider-Zibby-Kakko
Panarin-Trocheck-Laf
Othmann-Chytil-Cuylle/XXX
Cuylle/XXX-Goodrow-Reaves/XXX
Reaves/XXX


Miller-Trouba
Robertson-Fox
Jones-Schneider
XXX

Shesty
XXX

Should be able to get Jones, Miller, Laf, Chytil under contract for $15 million. By moving Lindy and making cap space $21 million that leaves us with 6 million to fill 4 slots. By spending sub-1 million on each, that will leave us with over 2 million in space, which will accrue to enough to make deadline additions. I'd imagine Reaves would take a pay cut to stick around and if he's under $1M, I'm fine with that.

Maybe in some opinions Krav fills that XXX on 3RW, and Cuylle plays 4LW, but not in mine. Good riddance too him in a deadline rental this year, I'm done with him and I'm guessing NYR are too.

Just some 2018 fanboys holding on here in the comments. Krav is a bust, get a grip already.

Like I said, way too early for these predictions, so lets enjoy the hot start and hope it continues tomorrow.

REMEMBER we are outscoring oponents 10-4 and we are 2-0 in 118.5 minutes without Kravtsov and tied 0-0 with no completed wins in 1.5 mins with him!!!

#KRAVTSOVTRADEDEADLINE2023
 
haohmaru said:
I get that but:

A.) There's nothing guaranteed about adding a 34 year old Patrick Kane to this roster and the Cup is ours.
B.) This is strong draft and, especially if the ultimate goal (Cup) isn't reached, you're likely giving up on a 1st round draft pick that will likely contribute to the Rangers roster for YEARS and that's IF that's all it takes to acquire him (it won't be).
C.) The Cap gyrations required to get this done are likely to be onerous.
D.) Chicago has made the playoffs once in the last 5 years. Not saying this is Kane's fault but it sure has to make you think a bit about it.



Who was the "elite scorer" last year under Drury? Copp? His TDL moves last year were phenomenal. Until I see differently I don't see him trading the house for a short term rental of Kane.
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Yeah, I mean I don’t even disagree with your points about Kane at all, I fall more on your side when it comes to potentially trading for him anyway. If we were a team needing a shot in the arm to our PP (like Hank’s rangers could’ve used) then maybe I could see Kane making sense. It’s a long season and so much can happen between now and the TDL but I could see this deadline being quiet with maybe a couple of depth moves.

As it stands now, barring injury, I don’t even see a need for him even if the cost were very low. I want Laf and Kakko on those top two RW spots all year and hopefully they’re both great this year and Drury doesn’t even consider making a move for Kane. You never know though, that extra 1st could burn a hole in Drury’s pocket. Someone may be out there that they could see as an upgrade in the top 6 and slide one of the kids down seeing that as an upgrade for both lines. You never know. Hopefully the team has such a good season that it won’t be necessary.
 
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The price for Miller just went up. Great job by the front office waiting as long as possible to sign our guys.
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Can we resign KAM now or do we have to wait to Jan 1?

Look, KAM doesn’t have arbitration rights, he can sign a contract with us, an offer sheet or go play in Russia. Minimum 7 years.
 
I mean if the current top six can stay together, might not need to shoot the moon for Kane. Bottom six still needs help though. Team would still has to look externally but that’s okay. Another forward that could play with Chytil would be huge but Chytil historically has had a hard time with finding compatible line mates (especially if the other kids are allocated elsewhere). Either way would love one more weapon
 
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I’d suggest we wait to see who might be available at the trade deadline before pushing any chips into the middle. Needs may change and available players may also be different. I’d love to see the rangers have a deadline like Colorado last year adding Lehkonen and Manson and not trading a first
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We should also wait to see what we actually need. If the team is playing out of its mind for most of the season then we might just need a 3rd line Winger.

EDIT- Is there any way Othmann is available for a playoff run after his season?
 
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