Speculation: Roster Building Thread: New Season Edition

[GoAwayPanarin]

Oh god that one be one horrible contract for the bottom 6. Not that I disagree about Chytil potentially being better. its just yikes. Ideally we wouldn't have signed Trocheck and let Chytil get the reps there, but we are in a Cup window and Drury identified his guy and got him. Can't blame him. Trocheck looked great on PP1 and I liked his game quite a bit. But it certainly does block Chytil, who between playoffs and early returns certainly looked to have it figured out finally,

Hopefully we can get Chytil Signed to a reasonable LT contract (5-6x4.something?, move Goodrow and Lindgren and Blais. let reaves walk or sign for league min, get a cheaper backup, replace with Othmann, Cuylle and cheap signings and keep that 1-3 C depth that makes us a threat. its finally that C depth we missed during Hanks window

I think we should stop looking at the line up as top 6 vs bottom 6.

It's really top 9 vs bottom 3. Or it should be.

 

[kinger8998]

Well I did say "fat chance." Point being, in my view, holding them both this year has more value than trading for a rental, even if you are speculating that it is "much, much, much more likely we use it at TDL."

Fair enough. I suppose we just value this years team different in their chances of winning the Cup. From what I'm seeing, Tampa got worse and Carolina got different but it's too early to tell if Burns > DeAngelo as 1PP role and if Pacioretty > Trocheck and C depth.

Colorado lost 2 top 6 players and downgraded their goaltender position, while Edmonton, aside from having 2 of the top 5 players in the game, showed they have serious holes and flaws in falling down 3-0 to Van, the same flaws they showed that got exposed by Colorado last year.

Of the top 4 teams last seaosn, and Carolina who took us to 7, I see us as the only team that successfully replaced and upgraded their full-season losses (Strome -> Trocheck, Nemeth -> Jones, Georgiev -> Halak). With proper cap management we could have potential to add a big fish of the right supporting pieces once again at deadline, and I'm sure other teams will add to. But to me, we are positioned as well as anyone to win a Cup this year and beyond. to hell with this years 2nd of two first round picks and a problem child who scored 4 points in 20 games once, fleed the country once and got injured within 2 mins after an underwhelming preseason on the 3rd try.

Top 10 C, top 5 winger, top 5 d, best goalie. You don't waste prime years with all 4 of those assets. We still have Othmann, Kakko, Laf, Chytil. Krav won't be missed and neither will the 32nd overall pick in the hands of whoever when we win the Cup

I think we should stop looking at the line up as top 6 vs bottom 6.

It's really top 9 vs bottom 3. Or it should be.

I agree it should be, but its very difficult to do that in terms of distribution of TOI when you have a skill "top 9" yet only 4/9 can play the 1st PP that gets 1:30 of every PP.
I get what you're saying and that really is our roster makeup, and maybe the ES TOI does match that, it just turns out looking wrong after overall TOI factors in PK/PP.

 

[kinger8998]

Fair enough. I suppose we just value this years team different in their chances of winning the Cup. From what I'm seeing, Tampa got worse and Carolina got different but it's too early to tell if Burns > DeAngelo as 1PP role and if Pacioretty > Trocheck and C depth.

Colorado lost 2 top 6 players and downgraded their goaltender position, while Edmonton, aside from having 2 of the top 5 players in the game, showed they have serious holes and flaws in falling down 3-0 to Van, the same flaws they showed that got exposed by Colorado last year.

Of the top 4 teams last seaosn, and Carolina who took us to 7, I see us as the only team that successfully replaced and upgraded their full-season losses (Strome -> Trocheck, Nemeth -> Jones, Georgiev -> Halak). With proper cap management we could have potential to add a big fish of the right supporting pieces once again at deadline, and I'm sure other teams will add to. But to me, we are positioned as well as anyone to win a Cup this year and beyond. to hell with this years 2nd of two first round picks and a problem child who scored 4 points in 20 games once, fleed the country once and got injured within 2 mins after an underwhelming preseason on the 3rd try.

Top 10 C, top 5 winger, top 5 d, best goalie. You don't waste prime years with all 4 of those assets. We still have Othmann, Kakko, Laf, Chytil. Krav won't be missed and neither will the 32nd overall pick in the hands of whoever when we win the Cup


I agree it should be, but its very difficult to do that in terms of distribution of TOI when you have a skill "top 9" yet only 4/9 can play the 1st PP that gets 1:30 of every PP.
I get what you're saying and that really is our roster makeup, and maybe the ES TOI does match that, it just turns out looking wrong after overall TOI factors in PK/PP.

I know I've annoyed 99% of this thread harping on Kane, but its only half about him and a player of his calibre being available. Half, if not more, is about the state of this team and not wasting valuable chances when you have a surplus of assets.

Take him totally out of the equation. He's the only one that would warrant both Krav and our 1st (in my oninion, I'm well aware thats not the opinion of others)

Forget him. We have 5-6 primary assets for a trade this deadline. 2 1sts, this years 2nd, Colorados 3rd, Kravtsov and Robertson. Since the theme here is roster building, I'd say Robertson factors in as the piece to replace Lindy who looks likely to become a Cap Casualty.
In a draft this deep, and Dallas likely being in a dog fight with Vegas, LA, Vancouver for the last WC and I don't think they'll be able to crack the Minnesota-Nashville-St. Louis- Colorado big 4 in the Central, and with this being a deep draft, I doubt the Rangers move that, and I don't blame them. That's absolutely the pick I'd keep. That trims the options to 4.
Our first, which if we believe trocheck is an upgrade on strome and deadline additions are being made, projects to be 28-32. Good option.
We'd likely not want to move both 2nd and 3rd round picks as then we'd pick anywhere from 12-18 likely followed by no choice until the 6th round. So I'd say we keep atleast one, maybe both.
That leaves Krav as the 2nd most likely asset to be moved after our 1st round pick. Othmann almost beat him this year, will likely beat him next year, and Laf will likely put in a good bid for his RW spot on 2L.

Like I've mentioned numerous times, we check the typical contender boxes, Top C, C depth, Top winger (maybe 2 if Kreider can keep up the 4-50 goal pace), top defenseman, top goalie. We have a surplus of 1st this year (1 in standard, which makes 2 a surplus), and we have Kravtsov.

Use one, use both, I really don't care. Don't piss away a season in the primes of our top players because you save 2 assets for tomorrow that are far from guarantees. Sure, a Cup is never a guarantee with TDL additions, but neither is the 28th pick turning into anything impactful within 5 years or ever, and Kravtsov is as far from a sure thing as a project gets.

Personally, in terms of Cup chances, I see us right there in that group with COL, CGY, TBL, CAR, EDM, (NYR). Why not us?

 

[bhamill]

I know I've annoyed 99% of this thread harping on Kane, but its only half about him and a player of his calibre being available. Half, if not more, is about the state of this team and not wasting valuable chances when you have a surplus of assets.

Take him totally out of the equation. He's the only one that would warrant both Krav and our 1st (in my oninion, I'm well aware thats not the opinion of others)

Forget him. We have 5-6 primary assets for a trade this deadline. 2 1sts, this years 2nd, Colorados 3rd, Kravtsov and Robertson. Since the theme here is roster building, I'd say Robertson factors in as the piece to replace Lindy who looks likely to become a Cap Casualty.
In a draft this deep, and Dallas likely being in a dog fight with Vegas, LA, Vancouver for the last WC and I don't think they'll be able to crack the Minnesota-Nashville-St. Louis- Colorado big 4 in the Central, and with this being a deep draft, I doubt the Rangers move that, and I don't blame them. That's absolutely the pick I'd keep. That trims the options to 4.
Our first, which if we believe trocheck is an upgrade on strome and deadline additions are being made, projects to be 28-32. Good option.
We'd likely not want to move both 2nd and 3rd round picks as then we'd pick anywhere from 12-18 likely followed by no choice until the 6th round. So I'd say we keep atleast one, maybe both.
That leaves Krav as the 2nd most likely asset to be moved after our 1st round pick. Othmann almost beat him this year, will likely beat him next year, and Laf will likely put in a good bid for his RW spot on 2L.

Like I've mentioned numerous times, we check the typical contender boxes, Top C, C depth, Top winger (maybe 2 if Kreider can keep up the 4-50 goal pace), top defenseman, top goalie. We have a surplus of 1st this year (1 in standard, which makes 2 a surplus), and we have Kravtsov.

Use one, use both, I really don't care. Don't piss away a season in the primes of our top players because you save 2 assets for tomorrow that are far from guarantees. Sure, a Cup is never a guarantee with TDL additions, but neither is the 28th pick turning into anything impactful within 5 years or ever, and Kravtsov is as far from a sure thing as a project gets.

Personally, in terms of Cup chances, I see us right there in that group with COL, CGY, TBL, CAR, EDM, (NYR). Why not us?

Stranger things have happened.

 

[Thirty One]

Drury? Because of the Copp trade? I don't see a ton of precedence since it's only been one season... Or are you saying it's Sather?

The Copp trade. Even the Reaves trade. The term given on UFA contracts. The price paid to get out from under the Nemeth contract. I'm assuming there were more future-oriented packages available for Buchnevich that didn't include a 4th liner they wanted (maybe a bad assumption). It all doesn't seem like a team that's too interested in a five-year plan.

 

[kinger8998]

The Copp trade. Even the Reaves trade. The term given on UFA contracts. The price paid to get out from under the Nemeth contract. I'm assuming there were more future-oriented packages available for Buchnevich that didn't include a 4th liner they wanted (maybe a bad assumption). It all doesn't seem like a team that's too interested in a five-year plan.

I'm sure in the back of their head they know the "future" is Laf, Kakko, Othmann, Cuylle, Sykora, Chytil, Fox, Miller, Jones, Schenider, Shesty.
But I 100% agree with the fact that Drury recognized there could be an earlier window with a competitive transition (where you could still compete and contend) into a 2nd contention window). Its unique, but workable with the right choices.
He's going to give this team every chance to win in the next 2-3 years, but he'll do it without moving most of if not any of the aforementioned players. Maybe Chytil prices himself out, or they decide to go a different direction than Jones, but the other 9 will still be here through it, I'd guess.
Kravtsov be damned, a couple (not every like the Sather era) 1st along the way be damned, Drury will give this team a shot to win every year its viable. Which it could potentially be for 8-10 years. Don't forget, he conditioned the 2nd in the Copp trade that if Copp got injured or we didn't come back against PIT or CAR, we kept our 1st round as it would have been 16-27 dependant on which series we lost instead of 29. Drury is smart, and calculated. Trust in him that we won't move our first every year, only years in which the proper piece to fill the proper hole was there. Copp helping this team make the run it made, boosting confidence of the Kid Line, of Zibanejad by facing and beating the likes of Crosby (7 games), checking oine of Staal (7 games) and Tampa for 2 before falling apart, and of the young defense. That was a neccesary run for experience and for team confidence.
It will serve us very well this year in terms of individual players progressions and confidence, as well as been there done that come playoff time.
When you got the team to give it a shot, you gotta give it a shot. I'd rather go down making the right tries than saying jeez we could've used this but atleast we fell just short and have the 29th pick again to makeup for wasting another cores contending years and wasting Igor like we did Hank.
In those terms, the 1st for Copp was worth it to me.

 

[LORDE]

There's is no way we should be trading 1st rd picks... (for rentals) we already did last season.

Keep 'em both this season.

We got into serious trouble dealing 1st over and over and over again.

Keep filling the pipeline.

 

[RangerBoy]

The upper limit will be $83.5M for 23-24. $87.5M-$88M for 24-25. The summer of 2024 will be first summer with the cap being linked to revenue. $92M for 25-26.

Where are the Rangers dumping a big contract? Most of these teams are capped out. Kreider has a NMC until 2024. He isn't leaving. Goodrow is the obvious choice. What is the alternative? Which player? Igor? Trouba? Fox? Zibanejad? Kreider? Trocheck? Lindgren?

Edmonton played with 17 skaters last night. 11 forwards and 6 defenseman. Two forwards were injured and they didn’t have the flexibility to recall another player. Edmonton has a 21 player roster. 13 forwards. 6 defenseman. 2 goalies.

On the NY Post Rangers podcast, Brooks mentioned the Rangers could possibly play with 17 skaters at times this season. He said the Rangers will need to have $5M-$6M in space at the deadline to get Kane. He also mentioned Drury needs to add another D. Drury can't give Hajek away. The Rangers have no one else in the organization.

 

[kinger8998]

There's is no way we should be trading 1st rd picks... we already did last season.

Keep 'em both this season.

We got into serious trouble dealing 1st over and over and over again.

Keep filling the pipeline.

Thats because we went 4 years without one. No ones proposing that. We'd still have one this year, unless Dallas missed the Playoff and won the lottery.
I'm proposing we move our lesser pick and retain the one that projects to be better.

Don't forget, he conditioned the 2nd in the Copp trade that if Copp got injured or we didn't come back against PIT or CAR, we kept our 1st round as it would have been 16-27 dependant on which series we lost instead of 29. Drury is smart, and calculated. Trust in him that we won't move our first every year, only years in which the proper piece to fill the proper hole was there.

As noted, Drury isn't handing out 1st's like Sather did. In his first deadline, he already smartly conditioned the pick so that WPG only got the goods if Copp delivered on why we acquired him. Sather may still be around because I'm pretty sure hes got a lifetime contract with Dolan, but this is Drury and GG's team.

Its funny how we all have PTSD from Sather adding 1sts to his Captain to get 1.5 (albeit great) years of MSL or trading firsts for Nash and Yandle. Poor us, having to watch Hank get wasted away because we didn't have talent to replenish from 1sts. Its a good thing we've hit on 4/6 in the last few years, so half our roster is under 24 and young enough to be here for a while. Very different situations are 2012-2015 and 2022-___

 

[bhamill]

The Copp trade. Even the Reaves trade. The term given on UFA contracts. The price paid to get out from under the Nemeth contract. I'm assuming there were more future-oriented packages available for Buchnevich that didn't include a 4th liner they wanted (maybe a bad assumption). It all doesn't seem like a team that's too interested in a five-year plan.

I'm not saying Drury won't try to win this year, I'm just saying he doesn't seem to want to mortgage the future for a marginally better shot. No firsts traded except conditionally, and honestly that run was very important to the team's development, so I'm calling even the Copp trade a success. The Buch trade has been hashed and rehashed. I think the issue was Drury didn't see Blais as limitted to a fourth line role...

I'm sure in the back of their head they know the "future" is Laf, Kakko, Othmann, Cuylle, Sykora, Chytil, Fox, Miller, Jones, Schenider, Shesty.
But I 100% agree with the fact that Drury recognized there could be an earlier window with a competitive transition (where you could still compete and contend) into a 2nd contention window). Its unique, but workable with the right choices.
He's going to give this team every chance to win in the next 2-3 years, but he'll do it without moving most of if not any of the aforementioned players. Maybe Chytil prices himself out, or they decide to go a different direction than Jones, but the other 9 will still be here through it, I'd guess.
Kravtsov be damned, a couple (not every like the Sather era) 1st along the way be damned, Drury will give this team a shot to win every year its viable. Which it could potentially be for 8-10 years. Don't forget, he conditioned the 2nd in the Copp trade that if Copp got injured or we didn't come back against PIT or CAR, we kept our 1st round as it would have been 16-27 dependant on which series we lost instead of 29. Drury is smart, and calculated. Trust in him that we won't move our first every year, only years in which the proper piece to fill the proper hole was there. Copp helping this team make the run it made, boosting confidence of the Kid Line, of Zibanejad by facing and beating the likes of Crosby (7 games), checking oine of Staal (7 games) and Tampa for 2 before falling apart, and of the young defense. That was a neccesary run for experience and for team confidence.
It will serve us very well this year in terms of individual players progressions and confidence, as well as been there done that come playoff time.
When you got the team to give it a shot, you gotta give it a shot. I'd rather go down making the right tries than saying jeez we could've used this but atleast we fell just short and have the 29th pick again to makeup for wasting another cores contending years and wasting Igor like we did Hank.
In those terms, the 1st for Copp was worth it to me.

Yeah, I agree with most of this. Including the Copp trade. Getting this young team that experience was worth it, it was a move for last year but also the future in my way of looking at it. If Drury trades the NYR 1st (not the Dallas 1st) only under the condition we make the FINAL this time, again, I couldn't really fault him.

 

[DanielBrassard]

The upper limit will be $83.5M for 23-24. $87.5M-$88M for 24-25. The summer of 2024 will be first summer with the cap being linked to revenue. $92M for 25-26.

Where are the Rangers dumping a big contract? Most of these teams are capped out. Kreider has a NMC until 2024. He isn't leaving. Goodrow is the obvious choice. What is the alternative? Which player? Igor? Trouba? Fox? Zibanejad? Kreider? Trocheck? Lindgren?

Edmonton played with 17 skaters last night. 11 forwards and 6 defenseman. Two forwards were injured and they didn’t have the flexibility to recall another player. Edmonton has a 21 player roster. 13 forwards. 6 defenseman. 2 goalies.

On the NY Post Rangers podcast, Brooks mentioned the Rangers could possibly play with 17 skaters at times this season. He said the Rangers will need to have $5M-$6M in space at the deadline to get Kane. He also mentioned Drury needs to add another D. Drury can't give Hajek away. The Rangers have no one else in the organization.

Perhaps Lindgren could be moved if the team is satisfied with the progression of Jones and Robertson, but yeah Goodrow is the guy who will be off the books if it's necessary. Whether or not they structured the contract the way they did intentionally, it is pretty fortunate it lines up the way it does

 

[kinger8998]

The upper limit will be $83.5M for 23-24. $87.5M-$88M for 24-25. The summer of 2024 will be first summer with the cap being linked to revenue. $92M for 25-26.

Where are the Rangers dumping a big contract? Most of these teams are capped out. Kreider has a NMC until 2024. He isn't leaving. Goodrow is the obvious choice. What is the alternative? Which player? Igor? Trouba? Fox? Zibanejad? Kreider? Trocheck? Lindgren?

Edmonton played with 17 skaters last night. 11 forwards and 6 defenseman. Two forwards were injured and they didn’t have the flexibility to recall another player. Edmonton has a 21 player roster. 13 forwards. 6 defenseman. 2 goalies.

On the NY Post Rangers podcast, Brooks mentioned the Rangers could possibly play with 17 skaters at times this season. He said the Rangers will need to have $5M-$6M in space at the deadline to get Kane. He also mentioned Drury needs to add another D. Drury can't give Hajek away. The Rangers have no one else in the organization.

Goodrow and Lindgren may fall as casualties. I don't know what fantasyland some are in where they think the Rangers wait an extra year to make sure Trouba is ready for the C then trade him the next offseason. Or camp dump a potential 100 pt winger in the middle of a contention window because we need to give guys increased roles or keep that extra 2018 9th overall bust because we hold onto his draft position and not what he is today.

Panarin, Kreider, Trouba, Zibanejad, Fox, Trocheck and Shesterkin will be going nowhere anytime soon. Goodrow has a NTC and Lindgren is a luxury, not a necessity. Can be replaced somewhat for 1/3 the price bt Robertson (growing pains sure, but he'll get there, Schneider was fine his rookie season and Robertson is physically mature like him). Thats already $6.6 million in Cap next season created. By not needing to resign Kravtsov or Blais by moving them both, thats more money to spend on extensions for Chytil, Laf and Miller.$3.5 million in buyout penalties come off books this summer, and all our big $$$ extensions have already kicked in. That creates the cap to get things done with extensions for the youth and keep the core intact for more runs

 

[Thirty One]

I'm not saying Drury won't try to win this year, I'm just saying he doesn't seem to want to mortgage the future for a marginally better shot.

And I'm saying he will. As I've said before, I'd be less surprised if the Rangers make 0 first round picks this year than I would if they made 2.

 

[bigdog16]

There's is no way we should be trading 1st rd picks... (for rentals) we already did last season.

Keep 'em both this season.

We got into serious trouble dealing 1st over and over and over again.

Keep filling the pipeline.

Keep stacking up the first round picks so they can ultimately make the team and be forced to play on the 3rd line because there is no room for them to get 1st line/PP minutes and then watch us all complain for an another 5 years....


Im in

 

[kinger8998]

I'm not saying Drury won't try to win this year, I'm just saying he doesn't seem to want to mortgage the future for a marginally better shot. No firsts traded except conditionally, and honestly that run was very important to the team's development, so I'm calling even the Copp trade a success. The Buch trade has been hashed and rehashed. I think the issue was Drury didn't see Blais as limitted to a fourth line role...

Yeah, I agree with most of this. Including the Copp trade. Getting this young team that experience was worth it, it was a move for last year but also the future in my way of looking at it. If Drury trades the NYR 1st (not the Dallas 1st) only under the condition we make the FINAL this time, again, I couldn't really fault him.

Agreed on both accounts. Blais as definitely viewed as a piece on a Tampa esque 3rd pain-in-the-ass line. If not for injuries and that happened and he and Goodrow make 2/3 of a 3rd line that helps win a Cup, I don't think anyone complains in the end. Just didn't work out that way.

Not sure I've seen many conditions be that restrictive in terms of only finals, but I could definitely see another 2nd turns into 1st if conference finals. Thats okay with me for a solid top 6 guy. Don't think thats the top offer for Kane, even if he controls where he goes to an extent. Also don't think Drury conditions it if it is for Kane, but thats just a feeling. Could very well be a different addition at deadline though, only time will tell.

Until then we just get to enjoy the ride, shaping up to be a great season. Hopefully the home opening ceremonies for MIn don't ruin NYR mojo and make them come out slow or mentally fatigued. Would be a shame to follow up such an exciting opening night win with a dud.

 

[bhamill]

Thats because we went 4 years without one. No ones proposing that. We'd still have one this year, unless Dallas missed the Playoff and won the lottery.
I'm proposing we move our lesser pick and retain the one that projects to be better.

As noted, Drury isn't handing out 1st's like Sather did. In his first deadline, he already smartly conditioned the pick so that WPG only got the goods if Copp delivered on why we acquired him. Sather may still be around because I'm pretty sure hes got a lifetime contract with Dolan, but this is Drury and GG's team.

Its funny how we all have PTSD from Sather adding 1sts to his Captain to get 1.5 (albeit great) years of MSL or trading firsts for Nash and Yandle. Poor us, having to watch Hank get wasted away because we didn't have talent to replenish from 1sts. Its a good thing we've hit on 4/6 in the last few years, so half our roster is under 24 and young enough to be here for a while. Very different situations are 2012-2015 and 2022-___

Yeah the balance is important. Just a note though the Dallas pick is top 10 protected this year, not just lottery win protected. If it shifts to next year it is unprotected.

 

[kinger8998]

And I'm saying he will. As I've said before, I'd be less surprised if the Rangers make 0 first round picks this year than I would if they made 2.

I'd say its a lock the Rangers make one. They won't be able to create the cap worth adding 2 rentals that would be worth 2 first round picks, and Drury won't move both in same deal for Kane.
Also highly doubt once they get to draft with one they move it as theres no room to bring in salary and Dallas' pick projects to be a fairly decent pick in this draft.
Only way I see zero is us trading ours, DAL missing ploffs and winning the lottery in whcih we transfer to theor unprotected 2024 1st, per conditions

Yeah the balance is important. Just a note though the Dallas pick is top 10 protected this year, not just lottery win protected. If it shifts to next year it is unprotected.

I think its more likely they win the lottery than finish 1-10. They'll be right there outside playoffs, if the aren't in. In order to get into top 10 if they finish outside, it would have to be a lottery win. Don't see 82 game DAL finishing bottom 10 in league

 

[bhamill]

I think its more likely they win the lottery than finish 1-10. They'll be right there outside playoffs, if the aren't in. In order to get into top 10 if they finish outside, it would have to be a lottery win. Don't see 82 game DAL finishing bottom 10 in league

Fair enough.

 

[Thirty One]

I'd say its a lock the Rangers make one. They won't be able to create the cap worth adding 2 rentals that would be worth 2 first round picks, and Drury won't move both in same deal for Kane.
Also highly doubt once they get to draft with one they move it as theres no room to bring in salary and Dallas' pick projects to be a fairly decent pick in this draft.
Only way I see zero is us trading ours, DAL missing ploffs and winning the lottery in whcih we transfer to theor unprotected 2024 1st, per conditions


I think its more likely they win the lottery than finish 1-10. They'll be right there outside playoffs, if the aren't in. In order to get into top 10 if they finish outside, it would have to be a lottery win. Don't see 82 game DAL finishing bottom 10 in league

Teams up against the cap trade first round picks too. Tampa Bay traded five first rounders over the past three seasons and their combined cap space was a negative number.

 

[Profet]

I don't know what fantasyland some are in where they think the Rangers wait an extra year to make sure Trouba is ready for the C then trade him the next offseason

Brad Park says "hi."

 

[kinger8998]

Teams up against the cap trade first round picks too. Tampa Bay traded five first rounders over the past three seasons and their combined cap space was a negative number.

All at deadlines. All I'm saying is I don't see a scenario in which Drury moves both for Kane, or a scenario in which Drury has the cap to trade both in separate trades for 2 rentals. I also don't think he'd do that, I think the goal in getting the 1st back for Nils was always to have a selection come draft day.

So long as the Rangers make it to Draft Day with 1 of the 2 1st rounders, maybe they use their 2nd round pick to move up, but I'm willing to go out on a limb and say they're not trading the other first on draft day without it being to move up 3 spots to get a guy they want by using their 2nd rounder.

Tampa moved these 1sts at deadlines for impact players, not on draft day. The Rangers will get impact player(s) for 3 months, then make a selection on Draft day in the top 32 if one of them (as I'd assume it would) makes it to that date.

So I'm saying the worry of not having a 1st rounder fr 5 years in unwarranted. Drury hasn't showed a willingness to let that be the case (he conditioned the 2nd rounder instead of an outright 1st), and he now has 2 this year, turning in a surplus of RHD into another 1st rounder. The Drury-Sather GM comparisons are overblown and premature

 

[Daves a mess]

They moved up for the great Lauri Korpikoski

Who was a decent player.




When he wasn't a Ranger.

 

[Daves a mess]

The upper limit will be $83.5M for 23-24. $87.5M-$88M for 24-25. The summer of 2024 will be first summer with the cap being linked to revenue. $92M for 25-26.

Where are the Rangers dumping a big contract? Most of these teams are capped out. Kreider has a NMC until 2024. He isn't leaving. Goodrow is the obvious choice. What is the alternative? Which player? Igor? Trouba? Fox? Zibanejad? Kreider? Trocheck? Lindgren?

Edmonton played with 17 skaters last night. 11 forwards and 6 defenseman. Two forwards were injured and they didn’t have the flexibility to recall another player. Edmonton has a 21 player roster. 13 forwards. 6 defenseman. 2 goalies.

On the NY Post Rangers podcast, Brooks mentioned the Rangers could possibly play with 17 skaters at times this season. He said the Rangers will need to have $5M-$6M in space at the deadline to get Kane. He also mentioned Drury needs to add another D. Drury can't give Hajek away. The Rangers have no one else in the organization.

Lindgren is as good as gone.

 

[kinger8998]

I don't understand the insistence as in the extra 20 regular season games will alter the NYR career of Vitali Kravtsov compared to the 60 pre-deadline. Give him 3/4 of the year vs give him the year and potentially lose a playoff series in a contending year because we didn't have a guy ready to play playoffs in a scoring top 9 role. I'm almost certain the Rangers only goal with him is to up his value enough to trade him. I think they've acknowledged internally the "potential" some here still hold onto is diminished to less than what it was on Draft Day 2018 and you can only hope to salvage him enough to use him in acquiring an impact player.

If he can't handle the physicality of the first 2 minutes of this season against Tampa how do you think he will handle a Playoff run, in which we will likely have to play Tampa.

The difference between winning a conference finals and not can quite literally be one player. I'm not saying scratch him and play Vesey, I'm saying showcase him the first 60, use him to get a known commodity rental who will perform and can handle playoff hockey, and profit from it. Vesey was never the deadline rental we're putting in his spot post deadline, its a literal rental forward that is better than Kravtsov.

We would have beaten the Lightning in 2015 with Zucc not being out, and you cannot change my mind. The difference is that slim when it gets down to the final 4. If we bet on Kravtsov and lose because of it, we wasted a full year of the primes of our core and a chance to get a Cup when we maybe aren't quite expected to yet with Laf and Kakko not yet at their peaks.

 

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Thankfully defensemen who don't play the man advantage usually get underpaid around the league.

I've said before I think Miller-Fox, Jones-Trouba, Lindgren-Schneider makes a lot of sense as the players develop. Jones will get better defensively. You get a 2nd pair quality guy on the 3rd pair in Lindgren, similar to Kevin Klein.

I like these pairs a lot.