Speculation: Roster Building Thread: New Season Edition

[kinger8998]

One player I want at the deadline if he is available is Ivan Barbashev. 2 way forward that is UFA at season’s end and a center that is good on faceoffs.


Goodrow Barbashev Vesey would be a nice checking

Would be nice, but highly doubt Barbeshev becomes available. St Louis took Colorado to Game 6, and got beaten on a late goal. Have to think they'd roll dice on their team with own rentals as long as they're in the mix

 

[RangersFan1994]

Would be nice, but highly doubt Barbeshev becomes available. St Louis took Colorado to Game 6, and got beaten on a late goal. Have to think they'd roll dice on their team with own rentals as long as they're in the mix

I wonder if he’d come here as an UFA. It would be cool to have the brothers on the same team in a 5 years. I think Maxim Barbashev will be a Ranger by 27-28

 

[mas0764]

Well only one team can make "the biggest splash" and 16 teams make the playoffs so it would stand to reason the vast majority of the time that team does not win.

The better question is how often does the team that ends up winning the Cup make a big splash? The answer is, in recent history, not that often. Even Tampa, in overpaying with firsts, was only bringing in bottom or middle six guys like Goodrow and Coleman.

 

[RangersFan1994]

The better question is how often does the team that ends up winning the Cup make a big splash? The answer is, in recent history, not that often. Even Tampa, in overpaying with firsts, was only bringing in bottom or middle six guys like Goodrow and Coleman.

This is why now teams have to develop their own Dom Moore and Brian Boyle like when they first came into the league with the Rangers. Rangers have to get back to do this,

 

[kinger8998]

I wonder if he’d come here as an UFA. It would be cool to have the brothers on the same team in a 5 years. I think Maxim Barbashev will be a Ranger by 27-28

Unless he's hellbent on playing with his brother and wants to take a sweetheart deal at an AAV of 2.5 million, which I'm gonna guess he won't based on its his first chance at a payday, then probably not.

Rangers are going to run out of the luxury of paying $3.6 million to the Goodrows, $3 million to the Lindgrens and $1.7 to the Reaves of the world as soon as this summer. I wouldn't expect any free agent "splashes" in the next 2-3 years until cap goes up.

Going to need contributions from astute FA signings for sub-1 million and from guys like Robertson, Cuylle, and Othmann on ELC's or 2nd deals at or around a million to make things fit with KAM, Laf, Kakko and Chytil all needing $$$ in next 2 summers. Chytil may even fall victim if he has a season that prices him out of the NYR 3C position

 

[RangersFan1994]

Unless he's hellbent on playing with his brother and wants to take a sweetheart deal at an AAV of 2.5 million, which I'm gonna guess he won't based on its his first chance at a payday, then probably not.

Rangers are going to run out of the luxury of paying $3.6 million to the Goodrows, $3 million to the Lindgrens and $1.7 to the Reaves of the world as soon as this summer. I wouldn't expect any free agent "splashes" in the next 2-3 years until cap goes up.

Going to need contributions from astute FA signings for sub-1 million and from guys like Robertson, Cuylle, and Othmann on ELC's or 2nd deals at or around a million to make things fit with KAM, Laf, Kakko and Chytil all needing $$$ in next 2 summers. Chytil may even fall victim if he has a season that prices him out of the NYR 3C position

I’d trade Goodrow to sign Barbashev. Better player more skilled in my opinion

 

[kinger8998]

I’d trade Goodrow to sign Barbashev. Better player more skilled in my opinion

A lot of people likely would. But what I'm saying is the problem with not being able to sign Barbashev isn't Goodrow, its that after this season, we won't be able to afford Goodrow, or anyone for that matter, at that price to play a bottom 6 role.
Barbashev, Goodrow, anyone ... we need the $$$ more for KAM and Laf extensions that we do to pay Goodrow or Barbashev.

 

[RangersFan1994]

A lot of people likely would. But what I'm saying is the problem with not being able to sign Barbashev isn't Goodrow, its that after this season, we won't be able to afford Goodrow, or anyone for that matter, at that price to play a bottom 6 role.
Barbashev, Goodrow, anyone ... we need the $$$ more for KAM and Laf extensions that we do to pay Goodrow or Barbashev.

Rangers management will figure something out like they always do. Isnt the cap projected to go up next summer?

 

[kinger8998]

I feel like people are severely over rating other teams and under rating ours.

There are MAJOR holes on all contenders. Everyone is top heavy. No one has the depth that we potentially do.

I still see our limitations as X's and O's coaching/system.... it's not a popular opinion but there's one man that can fix that with championship pedigree.... who's somewhat available.. just sayin

I agree. Taking a look through, aside from our deadline rentals, we lost Strome from the yearlong roster. We successfully replaced him. We have the potential with Cap management to add the big fish, or maybe 2 depth pieces. I think this year you go for the big fish.
Calgary maybe got better. Team to watch there.
Edmontons got holes. Defense isn't a strength and Jack Campbell is an improvement over Smith, but we still hold a significant advantage in nets.
Colorado lost Burakovsky and Kadri. Really, they're hoping for internal progression to replace a 60 and 90 point guys. Lost Kuemper and replaced him with Georgiev who we all know can be real good, or real bad.
Tampa lost Palat and McDonagh. Thats a 2x Cup winning forward who scored 11 goals last playoffs and a 2x Cup winning shutdown defenseman.
Carolina could be a force once Pacioretty brings a scoring punch, but they gotta hope Kotkaniemi can fill Trochecks role and thats a big if. He still hasn't been able to put it together.
Torontos goaltending is a mess, and they're not a conteder anyways ... lock in the first round out.

how often does the team that makes the biggest splash at the deadline(which Patrick Kane would be) ever win the cup?

I feel like it’s almost never that team.

Gaborik comes to mind. He was a big fish, even if he wasn't at his peak, and it paid off quite well if I remember the irony of trading him only for him to score 12 goals in those playoffs and ruin Hanks best run. Now I'm crying.

I think you’re pretty spot on with how things will play out. The only thing I’d say is that Goodrow will be moved before Lindgren

Equal contracts with AAV and term, yes. But they aren't. I'd say Lindgren is easiest to go because while hes been steady and great for us, he's replaceable for cheaper. As good as he is as a partner for Fox, hes playing with Fox. Fox definitely elevates Lindgren. And what are we paying Fox 9.5 for if he can't play with anyone other than lIndgren. Can't be worried about that.
Goodrow has an NTC come July 1, probably not as worth his salary as Lindy is, and has term. Wears an A. Lindgren likely as good as gone, but I think NYR will give it a go at just moving Lindy and Blais before biting bullet and moving Goody. Think he will have to go in end, but my guess is NYR would exhaust alot of options before doing so. They like him alot.

This is why now teams have to develop their own Dom Moore and Brian Boyle like when they first came into the league with the Rangers. Rangers have to get back to do this,

I'm glad you brought this up. I know it hasn't quite worked out that way, with Laf staying on left, Kakkos injuries last year and Krav going to Russia, but the Rangers started this "re-shaping" of the bottom 6 last offseason.
Buch for 2nd and Blais (there HAD to be a better deal out there for the love of GOD). Goodrow. Reaves. Motte at deadline.
Drafted Cuylle. Drafted Sykora.
With Othmann honestly playing well enough to make the team in camp, and really only being. blocked because of Kravtsovs contract and unique reclamationish project situation, we actually have the surplus of young W depth to make a move with Krav at deadline. Get that high end rental.
Rangers are starting to mould that bottom 6 with the right drafting and the right players. Sykora reminds me of Hagelin. Cuylle is a powerforward and the Rangers knew when drafting these guys that they project as mainstay bottom 6 guys and a good ones at that. Blais, even if it hasn't worked out, was supposed to fill that void. Goodrow stabilizes that with veteran presence and he filled that role in Tampa so he brought championship pedigree.

Another strong quality of Tampa is their top guys signing at the same ceiling in the same range. Disregard Panarin and Trouba signed under Gorton.
Zibanejad and Fox are both locked up long-term at $9.5M and $8.5M. Fox established what I see as this management regimes upper ceiling for cap. Maybe that goes up a bit when the cap goes up, but its clear to me what their goal is. Get top guys locked in at the same upper region, and the rest of the roster will follow. Sound familiar? Vasy, Hedman, Stamkos, Kuch? I think the Rangers see Tampa as a model they can project to, and will be better for it.

Rangers management will figure something out like they always do. Isnt the cap projected to go up next summer?

Not this summer, not next summer, summer after. Gotta get through these next 2 with Laf, KAM, Schneider, Kakko, Chytil decisions/extensions coming. Tough waters to navigate.

 

[kinger8998]

For the record, not that I'm Chris Drury, my prediction is the Rangers go longterm with Miller and punt the big Laf contract for 2 years with a bridge deal. Robert Thomas, Tomas Hertl signed similar 2 year contracts, as did Kakko this summer. Ranged from $2-3 Million

Think they'll try to lock down Miller for 5-7. Almost sure the AAV will come somewhere between $5M and $6M. Thinking Gostisbehere or Andersson as comparables at 5-6 years, they got high $4M salaries, with Parayko and Slavin as comparables for the 7 years who got $5.5M. KAM has higher offensive upside, and inflation, so thats why I put 6 as upper limit.

 

[McRanger92]

The better question is how often does the team that ends up winning the Cup make a big splash? The answer is, in recent history, not that often. Even Tampa, in overpaying with firsts, was only bringing in bottom or middle six guys like Goodrow and Coleman.

Tampa traded 1st rounders for both. Isn’t that really the issue at hand? The cost, not necessarily the player.

 

[kinger8998]

Tampa traded 1st rounders for both. Isn’t that really the issue at hand? The cost, not necessarily the player.

Kravtsov lasted 1m30s before being injured this season. Had one of the worst preseasons of anyone, and bolted for Russia last year. In 21 NHL games he has 4 points. At what point do we admit getting an allstar dealdine acqusiition with 2 cups for a run with a team that already has a great shot at it is a win in itself.

We would be turning a 28th overall pick and a FIVE YEARS REMOVED 1st round pick who was even a reach at the time into a FUTURE HOFer, probably allstar this year, with 2 cups, and one of the best wingers and players in the game today STILL. It's not like we're going for the washed up Bure on one knee in 2002 folks, its Patrick Kane, still able to be a game changer every night.

We would have the best goalie, a Norris winning defenseman, a top 10 NHL centre and 2 of the best wingers in hockey on a roster with young, cheap talent that can outperform their contracts. Its the PERFECT mix after the experience we got last year. I can't wrap my head around the logic of being against it.

1st round picks don't have the value in real life that they do in NHL 22. A 28th overall pick is closer to a 2nd rounder than it is a 1st round pick we should be losing sleep over. Kravtsov is 5 years removed from being a reach at 9. Its time to cut the cord.

A 1st round pick and a reclamation project (and maybe even another pick) for 3 months of one of the best players in the game at a time when we could legitimately win a Cup, when HE HELPS TREMENDOUSLY towards making that goal a reality, is a no brainer. Thats what Krav is at this point, a project, and thats what Kane is, a gamebreaker.

Of the Cap falls works and the stars align, I'll hold Drury hostage and make the call myself. If not, I hope Tampa or Carolina or the Western Conference represenative in the Cup finals gets him and one of them beat us on a P. Kane Game 7 OT goal. Oh, the gloating I'd do in here. Then the crying I'd do after.

At this pojnt I've become Larry Brooks #2 on this topic. Kane to Rangers. #KaneTrain. Or maybe I'm Larry Brooks burner account. I don't know anymore.

 

[Boris Zubov]

Kravtsov lasted 1m30s before being injured this season. Had one of the worst preseasons of anyone, and bolted for Russia last year. In 21 NHL games he has 4 points. At what point do we admit getting an allstar dealdine acqusiition with 2 cups for a run with a team that already has a great shot at it is a win in itself.

We would be turning a 28th overall pick and a FIVE YEARS REMOVED 1st round pick who was even a reach at the time into a FUTURE HOFer, probably allstar this year, with 2 cups, and one of the best wingers and players in the game today STILL. It's not like we're going for the washed up Bure on one knee in 2002 folks, its Patrick Kane, still able to be a game changer every night.

We would have the best goalie, a Norris winning defenseman, a top 10 NHL centre and 2 of the best wingers in hockey on a roster with young, cheap talent that can outperform their contracts. Its the PERFECT mix after the experience we got last year. I can't wrap my head around the logic of being against it.

1st round picks don't have the value in real life that they do in NHL 22. A 28th overall pick is closer to a 2nd rounder than it is a 1st round pick we should be losing sleep over. Kravtsov is 5 years removed from being a reach at 9. Its time to cut the cord.

A 1st round pick and a reclamation project (and maybe even another pick) for 3 months of one of the best players in the game at a time when we could legitimately win a Cup, when HE HELPS TREMENDOUSLY towards making that goal a reality, is a no brainer. Thats what Krav is at this point, a project, and thats what Kane is, a gamebreaker.

Of the Cap falls works and the stars align, I'll hold Drury hostage and make the call myself. If not, I hope Tampa or Carolina or the Western Conference represenative in the Cup finals gets him and one of them beat us on a P. Kane Game 7 OT goal. Oh, the gloating I'd do in here. Then the crying I'd do after.

At this pojnt I've become Larry Brooks #2 on this topic. Kane to Rangers. #KaneTrain. Or maybe I'm Larry Brooks burner account. I don't know anymore.

Please tell me you're not going to ramble on about Kane every day until the deadline.

 

[kinger8998]

Please tell me you're not going to ramble on about Kane every day until the deadline.

I'm not going to ramble on about Kane every day until the deadline.

 

[GENESISPuck94]

Rangers hit the jackpot getting a 1st for Lundkvist. Having potentially two 1st round picks in this deep draft, one of the most lauded drafts in a decade, is how you establish perpetual success and keep a healthy flow of cheap young talent into the lineup.

You do not trade 1st round picks in a draft like this for a rental, I don't care who it is.

Rangers didn't have a 1st this summer. Not having a 1st for two seasons straight (especially while losing 1st round talent to defections and trades) is crippling for the future and cap. Look at our cap situation right now because we don't have enough ready young cheap plugs.

Teams like Tampa who won Cups can do it because they're trying to win more Cups on top of the multiple Cups they've already won.

If the Rangers trade a 1st and more for Kane they will rue the trade for years. This draft 1st round is going to produce a slew of high quality NHL players that can kick the can down the line, expand the window, what ever phrase you want, for years to come. You don't trade that away for a couple months and one hail mary attempt.

 

[Avery16]

I’d trade Goodrow to sign Barbashev. Better player more skilled in my opinion

I'd trade Goodrow just to be rid of that cap hit.

Rangers hit the jackpot getting a 1st for Lundkvist. Having potentially two 1st round picks in this deep draft, one of the most lauded drafts in a decade, is how you establish perpetual success and keep a healthy flow of cheap young talent into the lineup.

You do not trade 1st round picks in a draft like this for a rental, I don't care who it is.

Rangers didn't have a 1st this summer. Not having a 1st for two seasons straight (especially while losing 1st round talent to defections and trades) is crippling for the future and cap. Look at our cap situation right now because we don't have enough ready young cheap plugs.

Teams like Tampa who won Cups can do it because they're trying to win more Cups on top of the multiple Cups they've already won.

If the Rangers trade a 1st and more for Kane they will rue the trade for years. This draft 1st round is going to produce a slew of high quality NHL players that can kick the can down the line, expand the window, what ever phrase you want, for years to come. You don't trade that away for a couple months and one hail mary attempt.

I thought 2023 was supposed to be weak

 

[Lone Ranger]

I don't want any part of what a trade for Patrick Kane might look like. Even as a pending UFA, with say on where he goes, and playing for a tanking team, he will likely cost more in picks and players than he's worth. Let's see where we are at at the deadline, and hope that our young players continue to improve. If our power play is Top 5, if Kakko plays well with Zibs and Kreider, and if Laf blossoms at right wing with Panarin and Trotcheck, we really don't need Kane.

 

[SA16]

Rangers hit the jackpot getting a 1st for Lundkvist. Having potentially two 1st round picks in this deep draft, one of the most lauded drafts in a decade, is how you establish perpetual success and keep a healthy flow of cheap young talent into the lineup.

You do not trade 1st round picks in a draft like this for a rental, I don't care who it is.

Rangers didn't have a 1st this summer. Not having a 1st for two seasons straight (especially while losing 1st round talent to defections and trades) is crippling for the future and cap. Look at our cap situation right now because we don't have enough ready young cheap plugs.

Teams like Tampa who won Cups can do it because they're trying to win more Cups on top of the multiple Cups they've already won.

If the Rangers trade a 1st and more for Kane they will rue the trade for years. This draft 1st round is going to produce a slew of high quality NHL players that can kick the can down the line, expand the window, what ever phrase you want, for years to come. You don't trade that away for a couple months and one hail mary attempt.

Well you better prepare yourself then because picks 25+ are traded way more often than their kept. The chance that the keep both of the picks is very low.

 

[leetch99]

I have to give the man credit. I like what GG has done with the lines so far. Starting Kravtsov with the Panarin line, starting Kakko with Mika and Zibanejad and then going right to Laf on RW when Kravtsov went down makes me feel really good.

We are more well rounded with Laf playing top 6 even if he is on his off wing ! It is a no brainer . In a perfect situation , hopefully coming soon, [next season?] , we likely have one of Othmann or Cuylee on the 3rd line LW ...whatever one does not go out to Chicago for Kane at the deadline ....not that I endorse that maneuver at this point .

 

[haohmaru]

Keep the picks. Let someone else overpay for Kane.

Unless there's a devastating injury to our top 6/9 wingers, I stay the course and don't add much at the deadline. Maybe a depth D for the eventual injury and Othmann can play in the playoffs as a depth winger. Great draft classes like this happen once every 20 years - no reason to remove a straw from the draw for a rental.

 

[mas0764]

Tampa traded 1st rounders for both. Isn’t that really the issue at hand? The cost, not necessarily the player.

I think both are. If the point is that Cup winners add middle six grinders/shut down players, I’d argue you can find them for far less than a first round pick and/or Kravtsov. Copp basically was acquired for two seconds and everyone was far more accepting of that trade; if you could have kept the first round escalator off I would have loved that trade.

I also have said that renting is “rarely” a good idea, not that it never is a good idea.

For a team like Pittsburgh there is no preventing a full scale rebuild coming in like 2 years. Why not trade a first this year, even to only marginally improve your Cup chances? The first isn’t going to move the needle for you to prevent or change the different tear-down type moves that are coming and the fact that they will be seeking multiple top 5 or top 10 picks once Crosby and Malkin are gone.

Conversely the Rangers are entering a period where they hope to be contending for an extended period of time and winning multiple Cups. They need multiple young Chytil-or-better-level forwards (centers) still for their pipeline to accomplish that goal with no other real way to get them since they are cap strapped. They need those firsts to fill needs for what they’ve been building for, and a 5% increase in their Cup chances this year doesn’t come close to outweighing the chance to fill those needs.

 

[TominNC]

Unless he's hellbent on playing with his brother and wants to take a sweetheart deal at an AAV of 2.5 million, which I'm gonna guess he won't based on its his first chance at a payday, then probably not.

Rangers are going to run out of the luxury of paying $3.6 million to the Goodrows, $3 million to the Lindgrens and $1.7 to the Reaves of the world as soon as this summer. I wouldn't expect any free agent "splashes" in the next 2-3 years until cap goes up.

Going to need contributions from astute FA signings for sub-1 million and from guys like Robertson, Cuylle, and Othmann on ELC's or 2nd deals at or around a million to make things fit with KAM, Laf, Kakko and Chytil all needing $$$ in next 2 summers. Chytil may even fall victim if he has a season that prices him out of the NYR 3C position

You say that as i Lindgren isn't worth $3m. I'll agree that a long term contract with him might not be a good idea due to potential injuriy issues, but come on, he is well worth 3m now.

 

[leetch99]

how often does the team that makes the biggest splash at the deadline(which Patrick Kane would be) ever win the cup?

I feel like it’s almost never that team.

I fully agree . But...if they are doing the Kane thing....they better find a way to add a bit of sandpaper in the deal or another deal.....there is a lot more sanding needed in the playoffs along with a couple of more depth Dmen . Nick Paul was a good add by TB last season .

 

[mas0764]

If we subtract Goodrow and Blais that almost gets us to 5. 8 million.

Yeah but you need a warm body replacement like Vesey at ~$1m. So you are netting like $4.8m in space.

Still within the realm of possibility, and maybe Buch takes a little less to stay, etc.

That being said I was always in favor of trading Buch. The problem is the F- completely unjustifiable and unacceptable return we got. Buch should have fetched a first and a high end forward (center) prospect; if not then at least a first and a reasonably highly ranked prospect.

Instead we got a second, which is literally nothing compared to a first, and a player I don’t even want to pay his salary. Drury’s timing was terrible and Buch was situation where he should have held out for the right price. We could have held him and moved him at the deadline. Of course then he would also have to combat the ideologues who insist that trading a player for great value while you are trying to compete is impossible without losing the locker room; untrue, of course, but a lot of people vociferously argue the point.

 

[mas0764]

I’d trade Goodrow to sign Barbashev. Better player more skilled in my opinion

The Rangers need to trade Goodrow to be able to extend their young players already here like Miller, Laf, and Kakko.