Speculation: Roster Building Thread: New Season Edition

[kinger8998]

Yeah if only we still had Lias Andersson, Brendan Lemiuex & Julien Gauthier here, we'd really be aces. At least Nils trade request was rooted in some logic that he was blocked by better players. Even Kravtsov surely is regretting his. The trade request stuff is so overblown. Players love playing in NY

This. A million times this.

 

[Fitzy]

What's the most you've ever seen given up for a rental at the deadline?

The Kovalchuk and Hossa returns were substantial.

 

[Taluss]

Id feel pretty damn confident in this team If Kane was on it…

Like Id put $ on a cup

 

[kinger8998]

Id feel pretty damn confident in this team If Kane was on it…

Like Id put $ on a cup

I already have money on us for the Cup, because if I'm a betting man I think we have a better chance of winning it than our current odds indicate. If I were a betting man I'd also bet on us being the favorites to land Kane, no matter what anyone says. I'm going with my gut, logic, and Larry Brooks. He may be hoping and wishing, but theres also no one who has a finger on the pulse of the Rangers better than him. It was he after all who had Vesey coming to Rangers camp before the PTO was announced, and he who has had multiple other scoops well prior to them being anything more than a "rumor"

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

how often does the team that makes the biggest splash at the deadline(which Patrick Kane would be) ever win the cup?

I feel like it’s almost never that team.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

The Kovalchuk and Hossa returns were substantial.

Neither of those players had trade clauses.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

Carpenter has more points than Kakko, Kravtsov, Chytil, Fox, and Laf combined.

Fire Sather

 

[GENESISPuck94]

I think Laf would work really well with Trocheck and Panarin.

Keep Kakko with Zib and Kreids, they looked great.

Blais and Krav with Chytil

Vesey with Goodrow and Carpenter/Reaves

or

Panarin - Zib - Kreids
Kid Line
Blais - Chytil - Krav
Goodrow - Carpenter - Vesey

 

[I Eat Crow]

Carpenter has more points than Kakko, Kravtsov, Chytil, Fox, and Laf combined.

Fire Renney

Fixed it for you

 

[GENESISPuck94]

Carpenter has more points than Kakko, Kravtsov, Chytil, Fox, and Laf combined.

Fire Sather

MVP

 

[kinger8998]

I really don't think a blockbuster trade for Kane as a rental is a viable option in the cards regardless.

I think you're looking at a guy making maybe 2-3.5 mil at the TDL.

As for next offseason, why even bother worrying about that. We just kicked off a new campaign and we're gunning for a cup. Time to live in the now.

Fitzy, look forward to another season of your tweets, one of my favrite follows my friend. Kane at double retention or 50% followed by a 25%-33% should be right in around there. 50% brings him to $5.250 followed by anywhere from 25%-50% making his salary $2.625M-$3.938M. With smart off day paper moves (Jones, Schneider) and getting down to 13/7/2 if someone can finally get and stay healthy, its doable at that price.

I'm not too concerned about Kane, with double retention and trading Blais in the deal we should be able to fit him in. Unless there's so many injuries that they can't accrue any cap space.

Blais to me is as good as gone if theres salary needing to go out this season as in prior to offseason in a TDL deal. Most logical choice, still somewhat young, oft-injured, low salary. Its unfortunate but I think staying healthy out of the gates this season was his chance. Same goes for Krav, think Laf will prove hes the better fit on that 2RW with Trocheck and Panarin over the next week.

I'm not even sure Kane is going to be the focus come TDL. If I'm seeing a clear weakness on this team, its someone who can put pucks in the net at ES (thats not Kane.)

The PP will be great, the PK should be pretty good (if not great bc of Igor) and I'm really bullish on our top 6 D and think that as long as they stay healthy, it can certain be considered championship level once certain guys get more experience/reps.

If they can score more 5v5, they're going to be a problem and thats where I'd imagine their focus will be but they won't try to bargain bin fix it with Vatrano (who did a fine job for what he is) this time around.

Think this fear comes from last season. Sure, 2 of our goals were special teams, but we controlled the 5v5 play and if not for Vasilevskiy, we would've blown Tampa out 5-1 or worse. If the team continues to play and control play the way we did Game 1, big IF, and there will be down games, but if we do, we shouldn't have trouble scoring 5v5 this season.

Actually read in a Vince article that Kreids and Zibby both acknowledged Kakko is going to help them sustain 5v5 pressure and not be a 1 and done rush line. Panarin wasn't asked, but Trocheck and Laf/Krav will certainly help that line too in that regards ... until Kane gets here at deadline ;-)

Kane would for sure put us over the top but I don’t see how we can afford him and these proposals we are giving up garbage for a guy who is capable putting up 100 points with Panarin and on our PP.

I’d love to make it work but I don’t see it happening.

Double retention anywhere from 50% + 25%-50% would put it in doable range with proper paper moves and good cap management. If not everything goes great that will need to be closer to 50% +50%, which would likely move the retention cost for us to the 3rd team from a 3rd rounder to a 2nd round pick, but for Kane and the ultimate goal we aspire to acheive with him as the addition, WELL worth it.

What's the most you've ever seen given up for a rental at the deadline?

kane's nmc is gonna limit their return that's just how it is. I think 1st, kravtsov, Blais or whoever for cap isnt too far off

Kanes NMC will bring it down, hes in drivers seat. CHI will have to play ball because he likely won't re-sing and when you've made it as clear as you have you're tanking (DeBrincat trade, Strome walking), you don't let Kane walk for free.

That said, a 1st round pick, a talented albeit reclamation project Kravtsov, Blais and a conditional 2nd that turns into another 1st near year if Rangers win Cup is not a bad return.
For Rangers perspective, we still have another 1st this year, and we only give up 1 out of top 2 picks next year. 2nd if we don't win, 1st if we do. If we do win, I'm sure no one will be complaining about our missing 1st next year. Both the 1sts we'd be potentially giving up project to be 25-32 anyways if all goes to plan and we make deep runs.

It's early to talk about Kane. I'd want to wait to see how the team gets going. If they can play a good deal of the season like they did last night (maybe a few less penalties), then we're talking.

Wish we would've checked out Kessel in the offseason to play opposite Panarin.

Its early, but this is a roster building thread lol. Honestly, this summer wasn't the right time to fill that hole. Rightly so, the Rangers made their #1 priority Trocheck, because he's an upgrade on 2C and gives us the potential to run 3 centres, and if anything has proved important for past winners, its C depth.

COL: MacKinnon, Kadri, Newhook/Compher
TBL x2: Point/Stamkos, Cirelli, Paul/Gourde
STL: O'Reilly, Schenn, Bozak
WSH: Backstrom, Kuz, Eller
PIT x2: Crosby, Malkin, Bonino
CHI: Toews, Richards (Kane is play driver on line)***

***Heres the unique thing, Kane acted as a play driver on that line in the way a C normally would, so Richards is probably the weakest 2C on a Stanley Cup winner in recent history.
We have the potential to put Panarin and Kane on the same line, 2 unique wingers in the NHL who can change a game from the wing with their playmaking.
The TDL is the time to upgrade that RW slot, and the great thing is until then, we'll find out if the LT solution is Laf after Kane comes, helps us win a Cup, and leaves. I'm gonna guess Laf proves to everyone he is the LT fit there, and won't complain about being 3LW if its Kane coming in to play RW. Laf and Chytil prove to be great on the 3rd line as a combo

Id feel pretty damn confident in this team If Kane was on it…

Like Id put $ on a cup

I already have money on us for the Cup, because if I'm a betting man I think we have a better chance of winning it than our current odds indicate. If I were a betting man I'd also bet on us being the favorites to land Kane, no matter what anyone says. I'm going with my gut, logic, and Larry Brooks. He may be hoping and wishing, but theres also no one who has a finger on the pulse of the Rangers better than him. It was he after all who had Vesey coming to Rangers camp before the PTO was announced, and he who has had multiple other scoops well prior to them being anything more than a "rumor"

Its a good thing I'm a betting man because I'm all in.

I trust Brooks. Maybe he's blowing smoke, starting rumors, but he's normally pretty bang on with his takes. He's got sources, and a good read on the org.
Logic says Rangers would be a top destination based on contention, location, needs, and ability to give potentially 2 1st rounders and a guy who although has had struggles, still has talent to put together in Kravtsov.
Think other contenders who Kane may go to AS A PURE RENTAL Edmonton, Toronto, Colorado. They would be ins ame boat as us in not giving up their very top prospect for a guy they can't re-sign. They may have a better top prospect, but they also won't give them up.
Oilers aren't trading Holloway for Kane. Leafs may trade Robertson but is he really THAT much better than Kravtsov. Colorado won't trade Byram for Kane.
Buffalo is the wildcard here, but Kane can sign with them in offseason. If he's being traded at deadline, he WILL use his NMC to make sure its a contender, not to Buffalo just to get them into playoffs. He's leaving Chicago because of losing. If he wants to go home to lose, he knows he can do so in offseason. Buffalo is not, a factor come TDL.
Sure, the cap may not be straightforward or easy, but it's possible and thats all that matters. And all I'm saying is theres alot more signs pointing towards it making sense than not. Drury made no mistake getting that extra 1st round pick this year, he's either making the selection at the draft, or using the spare one at the TDL. It won't be used in a trade at draft, because we'll be moving salary out, not using 1st round picks to bring it in.
Make no mistake, Kane ABSOLUTELY moves the needle a HELL of a lot more for this team than any other addition whether it be a 3rd pair LHD with more experience than Jones or a 3RW so Goodrow can go down and create a better 4th line. Kane is a game changer, and if he has his way, I'm better his way is here, and that will benefit us at a discounted price and getting one of the best players in the game.

Until then, I absolutely agree, lets enjoy this season because its shaping up to be fun. I just wanted to ahve this post here so I can either look like an idiot when Kane doesn't move at all or goes to the Islanders ... or quote this and say i told you so on March 3rd.

Shaping up to be an exciting, fun, full-of-potential season Can't wait.

 

[Thirty One]

how often does the team that makes the biggest splash at the deadline(which Patrick Kane would be) ever win the cup?

I feel like it’s almost never that team.

There are a lot more teams that don't make the biggest splash than do, so the field will have the advantage.

Ones I can think of:

Rob Blake in 2001.
Jeff Carter 2012.
I'd argue Blake Coleman in 2020.

A couple close calls with MSL, Kovalchuk and Marian Hossa.

edit: how could I forget Tomas Kaberle to Boston in 2011?

 

[kinger8998]

There are a lot more teams that don't make the biggest splash than do, so the field will have the advantage.

Ones I can think of:

Rob Blake in 2001.
Jeff Carter 2012.
I'd argue Blake Coleman in 2020.

A couple close calls with MSL, Kovalchuk and Marian Hossa.

If I'm not mistaken, wasn't Coleman a Goodrow and Yandle esque addition in the way he had an extra year after the typical "rental" 3 months. As in TBL had him for 1.5 years?

Feel like those have to be in their own category because if Kane had 1.5 left we wouldn't be having this conversation because A) Cap and B) that extra year and a player of Kanes calibre would actually require us giving up Othmann IF the cap worked, which I still don't think we'd go for.

MSL falls in that category too in fact.

I feel like "Biggest deadline splash" and "Biggest rentals" need different categories.

 

[McRanger92]

Copy and pasted from the Vitali Kravtsov player thread because it turned into a Roster Building post:

Krav is our piece with a 1st for a deadline rental so really hope he's back soon to raise his stock so we don't have to add another draft pick.

real talk, I hope the kids alright. He came back with the right attitude and even if things weren't going great for him, you could tell he was trying. Unfortunate injury. Its true, he needs to bulk up, but the talent he has is undeniable. Just not sure if it'll translate to the NHL, atleast in NY.

Othmann outperformed him at camp and I'm convinced he would have taken his roster spot if not for age/contract considerations. Othmann is going no where, put Laf in that category too. If Kakko continues the way hes looking this season, Rangers will be keeping him and his $2M bargain salary and moving out cap to resign him after this contract.

Krav is the logical player that will be moved for the deadline rental. Maybe Blais with him cause hes also a bandaid and would clear $1.5M in cap.

So heres to Krav getting back soon, resurrecting his career for himself, and boosting his stock for the TDL for Rangerstown.

All aboard the #KaneTrain

To CHI: 1st, Krav, Blais, 2nd 2024* (turns into 1st 2024 if we win Cup)
To NYR: Kane (50% retained)

Maybe we have to give ARZ a 3rd this year to retain an extra 25%-50% in a 3-team trade, and lets throw in Hajek to CHI and Gauthier to ARZ too. Then for shits n giggles lets acquire NYR legend Jack Johnson to be a vet 7th D for our playoff run.

To ARZ: 3rd 2023, Julien Gauthier
To CHI: 1st 2023 (NYR), Kravtsov, Hajek, 2nd 2024 (1st 2024 if we win Cup this year with Kane playing 50% playoff games)
To NYR: Kane at about $2.625M (50% CHI, 50% ARZ), Jack Johnson

Kane gets what he wants (if insiders rumors are true), close to home, contender, RW with Panarin. Walks as free agent after Stanley Cup with us, can sign in Buffalo if he so chooses.

Chicago gets a RW with upside, even if theres work to do. Another 1st rounder, potentially 2. And a terrible defenseman.

Arizona gets a 3rd round pick and a guy who is a 6 years removed 1st rounder who can't score, but hey, he was a first rounder so never give up.

NYR gets their rental, hopefully a Cup, and moves the odd prospect out anyways. Othmann outplayed Krav, and I'm convinced would've stolen his spot if not for the ability to go to CHL and Krav needing waivers on his official last chance in NY.
Othmann joins team in 3rd line capacity next year, Kakko and Laf are RW's in top 6. Lindgren probably gone, which is why Rangers would refuse to include Matthew Robertson who is cheap and physically ready to play top 6 in NHL when Lindgren is gone in a cap clearing move to sign extensions of KAM and Laf. Maybe Goodrow is gone too once his NMC changes to NTC but who knows.
Blais can't stay healthy and he likely may end up being a cap casualty too of the KAM and Laf extensions because we have young Will Cuylle who can play the same role for 1/3 of the price. And likely stay healthy long enough to actually PLAY that role.
Also, Jack Johnson, because, Jack Johnson is a Stanley Cup winner last year so we need that veteran depth and experience incase of injury.

This if half satirical and half not because these are our Rangers.

Are you from the future?

 

[McRanger92]

There are a lot more teams that don't make the biggest splash than do, so the field will have the advantage.

Ones I can think of:

Rob Blake in 2001.
Jeff Carter 2012.
I'd argue Blake Coleman in 2020.

A couple close calls with MSL, Kovalchuk and Marian Hossa.

Gaborik to the Kings was another one. He was a bit past his prime but still a big name and he made a difference for them. It killed me that he torched us but he always owned Lundqvist. This fanbase still has scars from that series. Brutal

 

[kinger8998]

Are you from the future?

Yes I am. I would bet a Kane -> NYR trade would look very similar to that, if/when it happens.

I will absolutely eat crow when it doesn't. Thats the thing with bold predictions/hot takes, I love making them, and its nice when they're right ... but boy do you look stupid when they're wrong.

For the sake of NYR, I hope I don't look stupid. I think it would be a mistake to not get the guy when hes there

 

[RangersFan1994]

Martin Pospisil was just waived by the Flames. Once he clears how about this trade​

Rangers trade RW Julian Gauthier to Flames for Center Martin Pospisil


would add center depth 22 years old has grit size and is a physical forward

Flames place Martin Pospisil on waivers, assign Nicolas Meloche to Wranglers

The Calgary Flames have placed forward Martin Pospisil on waivers, Spo...

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[Chytilmania]

What's the most you've ever seen given up for a rental at the deadline?

Raph Diaz and James Sheppard?

 

[SA16]

how often does the team that makes the biggest splash at the deadline(which Patrick Kane would be) ever win the cup?

I feel like it’s almost never that team.

Well only one team can make "the biggest splash" and 16 teams make the playoffs so it would stand to reason the vast majority of the time that team does not win.

 

[Lone Ranger]

The Rangers couldn’t have afforded $5.8M for Buchnevich.

If we subtract Goodrow and Blais that almost gets us to 5. 8 million.

 

[EdJovanovski]

If we subtract Goodrow and Blais that almost gets us to 5. 8 million.

Buch also definitely would’ve signed here for cheaper than he did in St Louis. He was absolutely devastated, the guy commented crying emojis in the livestream for our player intros for the home opener FFS. He still clicks like on Rangers team posts, not just former teammates; and on St Louis when they did that cancer night thing he put he fights for our f***in equipment manager.

 

[RangersFan1994]

One player I want at the deadline if he is available is Ivan Barbashev. 2 way forward that is UFA at season’s end and a center that is good on faceoffs.


Goodrow Barbashev Vesey would be a nice checking

 

[Fitzy]

If we subtract Goodrow and Blais that almost gets us to 5. 8 million.

that’s the part of it that bugs me

 

[McRanger92]

Yes I am. I would bet a Kane -> NYR trade would look very similar to that, if/when it happens.

I will absolutely eat crow when it doesn't. Thats the thing with bold predictions/hot takes, I love making them, and its nice when they're right ... but boy do you look stupid when they're wrong.

For the sake of NYR, I hope I don't look stupid. I think it would be a mistake to not get the guy when hes there

I think you’re pretty spot on with how things will play out. The only thing I’d say is that Goodrow will be moved before Lindgren

 

[bobbop]

I feel like people are severely over rating other teams and under rating ours.

There are MAJOR holes on all contenders. Everyone is top heavy. No one has the depth that we potentially do.

I still see our limitations as X's and O's coaching/system.... it's not a popular opinion but there's one man that can fix that with championship pedigree.... who's somewhat available.. just sayin

This. Very astute observation

I don’t agree with your other though.