Speculation: Roster Building Thread: New Season Edition

[GoAwayPanarin]

I think Miller actually gets a similar contract. 4.5 x 7 would be good.

If he signs for 7 years he's going to get way more than that.

Miller is light years better than Samuelsson.

 

[duhmetreE]

We literally can't afford long term deals with the kids. Even with trading/buying out Goodrow

 

[Savant]

Bridge and pray

 

[mas0764]

We literally can't afford long term deals with the kids. Even with trading/buying out Goodrow

Kreider can be moved!

 

[duhmetreE]

Kreider can be moved!

what makes you think they will move Kreider instead of bridging the kids and having both?

 

[NYR Viper]

There are benefits to bridging and then going long term in lieu of long term right away though that people rarely discuss. You get to keep the player under contract, more than likely, through their entire prime before they hit UFA. Bridging Miller for 2 years and then giving him 8 years after that keeps him in the organization for 10 years before he hits UFA. Giving him an 8 year deal now means he hits UFA at a younger age and he could walk in 8 years.

 

[RangerBoy]

But the issue lies in how Kravtsov’s absence (day-to-day, what else?) will affect the cap, not necessarily the lineup. Because the Rangers will be destroyed if they’re hit by multiple injuries at the same time. Depth is questionable enough not only on the team, but also through the organization. More so, there is simply not enough space to handle a rash of absences.

Here’s the deal. In keeping two extra forwards and a 23-man roster as a consequence of the upper-body injury Sammy Blais sustained Saturday in an exhibition game against the Islanders, which sidelined the winger for this one, the Blueshirts entered the season with approximately $183,500.

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Because space accrues, it was going to be imperative for the club to cut down to one extra forward as soon as possible. Every dollar the Rangers are unable to save means approximately $4.65 the team won’t have to spend at the deadline.

But cutting down may not be possible if Kravtsov is out for any length of time. If he’s out for the back-to-back Thursday and Friday at Minnesota and Winnipeg, respectively, then Dryden Hunt, who had seemed destined for waivers, would have to step in. If Blais is ready, the Rangers then would have one healthy spare.

Even if Kravtsov, who played three shifts for a total of 1:38, is placed on injured reserve, the Blueshirts would not have the space to accommodate, say, a recall of Julien Gauthier. It’s going to be a minefield out there for the Rangers.

That, of course, is going to land on general manager’s Chris Drury’s plate. There is only so much he can do. There is no fat to trim on the roster. The Rangers not only will have to be good, but also will have to be as lucky as they were last season, when Zibanejad, Chris Kreider, Jacob Trouba and K’Andre Miller did not miss a single game because of injury or illness, while Lafreniere missed two, Goodrow missed three and Adam Fox and Ryan Lindgren missed four apiece.

Vitali Kravtsov injury reminder of Rangers’ tenuous salary cap situation

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Brooks is right. Even a broken clock is right twice per day.

These little injuries eat away the Rangers available cap space.

 

[Circus86]

I think Miller actually gets a similar contract. 4.5 x 7 would be good.

Umm. May I ask why you think so? Samuelsson has proven nothing in the NHL. Miller is starting his third season in the league and is a bonafide 1st/2nd pairing guy. Zero chance he signs for the Samuelsson contract. His bridge (2-3 years) will be around 4,5 mil I would imagine.

Edit. Actually if he signs a 3 year bridge it might even come closer to the number 5.

 

[leetch99]

Langdon was a very good enforcer. His name does not belong with those others.

Neither does Reaves....as a whole we are pretty soft up front and never initiate any physical play for the most part . Reaves has his role and the opposition is well aware of his existence if called upon . I'm sure EVERY player saw that one sided fight against the Habs last season . The problem is that Reaves does not need to play every game . 60 should be lots if not 10 too many . I can live with Reaves for this year . It's too bad though somebody could not have had a work with Hedman over his handling of Kravs the rookie...who should get some help from those guys on the ice . That's how a good team handles things by getting involved .....they don't have to fight...just a courtesy call -shove face wash what have you....

 

[mas0764]

what makes you think they will move Kreider instead of bridging the kids and having both?

Nothing other than wishful thinking.

I like Kreider but I like Miller and Laf on long term deals more.

 

[NYR Viper]

Vitali Kravtsov injury reminder of Rangers’ tenuous salary cap situation

This was a very good night for the Rangers, who constructed a 60-minute command(ing) performance Tuesday in their 3-1 victory over the Lightning in the 2022-23 season opener at the Garden. Mika Zib…

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Brooks is right. Even a broken clock is right twice per day.

These little injuries eat away the Rangers available cap space.

The killer is that injuries are starting day 1. If they happened later in the year, it's less of an issue.

Looking around the league, I get the sense we will see many teams playing short players at certain points for this very reason.

Neither does Reaves....as a whole we are pretty soft up front and never initiate any physical play for the most part . Reaves has his role and the opposition is well aware of his existence if called upon . I'm sure EVERY player saw that one sided fight against the Habs last season . The problem is that Reaves does not need to play every game . 60 should be lots if not 10 too many . I can live with Reaves for this year . It's too bad though somebody could not have had a work with Hedman over his handling of Kravs the rookie...who should get some help from those guys on the ice . That's how a good team handles things by getting involved .....they don't have to fight...just a courtesy call -shove face wash what have you....

Am I incorrect in thinking that what Hedman did wasn't that dirty? I feel like I see that play all the time. It wasn't malicious IMO

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Am I incorrect in thinking that what Hedman did wasn't that dirty? I feel like I see that play all the time. It wasn't malicious IMO

You aren't.

 

[leetch99]

The killer is that injuries are starting day 1. If they happened later in the year, it's less of an issue.

Looking around the league, I get the sense we will see many teams playing short players at certain points for this very reason.



Am I incorrect in thinking that what Hedman did wasn't that dirty? I feel like I see that play all the time. It wasn't malicious IMO

No...it was not malicious....but a bit more then needed...Hedman was schooling the kid . Mind you...he was doing what he could do without getting a penalty and giving Kravs something to think about the next time.....which is what the Rangers then should have done to Hedman . As a rule rookies and goalies get a little more attention from teammates ...or at least they should .

 

[JohnC]

lol

That blueline keep in at the end of the game may have sealed his Rangers fate forever.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

the Rangers are in the cap situation they’re in, no point in complaining about it.

Oh no they won’t have the space to trade for Kane in March, who gives a f*** Larry?

 

[duhmetreE]

Am I incorrect in thinking that what Hedman did wasn't that dirty? I feel like I see that play all the time. It wasn't malicious IMO

The play was fine... but people are over reacting because it looked like a grown man abusing a child. Kravtsov resembling said child.

My concern is with how weak Kravtsov is... he will become a beaten dog and avoid all contact/scoring areas.

 

[Thirty One]

the Rangers are in the cap situation they’re in, no point in complaining about it.

Oh no they won’t have the space to trade for Kane in March, who gives a f*** Larry?

 

[RGY]

Rangers will try to bridge Miller and Lafreniere. It will buy then time. Likely 2 more years. In 2 years after the 24-25 season ends, Kreider will have 2 years left on his deal, Trouba 1 year left on his, and Panarin will have 1 year left. The cap is going up. I am just not as worried as some here. Not getting worked up over it. Every team has cap problems with the exception of the organizations that just suck. They likely will have to move one of those guys. My guess would be Trouba at that time. Only 1 year left for a team to take on. Rangers may have to retain a $1-$2 million. They will figure it out. They will then extend the kids longterm.

It will be important for Othmann, Cuylle, etc., to fill in as the bottom 6 depth pieces over the next few years.

Also the countdown to Patrick Kane being a Ranger is:

142 Days 4 hours 1 Minute.

 

[MrAlmost]

There's zero chance that happens. Miller is worth significantly more than Samuelsson. Miller would get 6+ mil on a long term deal, which is why he will be signed to a short term deal.

If he signs for 7 years he's going to get way more than that.

Miller is light years better than Samuelsson.

Umm. May I ask why you think so? Samuelsson has proven nothing in the NHL. Miller is starting his third season in the league and is a bonafide 1st/2nd pairing guy. Zero chance he signs for the Samuelsson contract. His bridge (2-3 years) will be around 4,5 mil I would imagine.

Edit. Actually if he signs a 3 year bridge it might even come closer to the number 5.

Probably higher than 4.5. But there is a lot of talk like Miller has proven he is a 6 million dollar defenseman. Miller as of yet has not scored enough to prove he is a 6 million dollar defenseman. May I ask what Miller has done to demand so much more money?

Samuelsson is a solid defenseman. He hasn't played as much in the NHL, but he has been good for a Sabres team that has been young, vulnerable and disorganized. If Miller was coming up in that environment would we be saying he is "light years" ahead of Samuelsson?

I think 5 million is right around where Miller should get and I think if the Rangers are smart they will stay away from 2 year bridge contracts. Those are basically why the Rangers never have value contracts.

I don't like speculating on the cap cause I honestly think no one here has a good grasp of the league and how it works. They are generating more money than they ever have, and possibly even more than they expected. The cap may go up sooner than people think.

I could be wrong, I don't know shit.

 

[McRanger92]

Vitali Kravtsov injury reminder of Rangers’ tenuous salary cap situation

This was a very good night for the Rangers, who constructed a 60-minute command(ing) performance Tuesday in their 3-1 victory over the Lightning in the 2022-23 season opener at the Garden. Mika Zib…

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Brooks is right. Even a broken clock is right twice per day.

These little injuries eat away the Rangers available cap space.

Blais' 1.6 million is going at the deadline for sure. Drury gambled on his first big trade and lost because the guy he targeted couldn't stay healthy. It is what it is. No reason to cry over spilled milk.

 

[Savant]

Kreider can be moved!

Would rather trade Panarin than Kreider. Which is nothing against Panarin

 

[Daves a mess]

You aren't.

It was malicious to those reaching for ANY shred of an excuse to protect their infant.

What's next? Cal Clutterbuck said his mother wears army boots, and his #1 fan says he can't feel free to dangle if opposing teams are mean to him?

Might not appear so, but I'm rooting for ANY player in a Ranger Jersey, but this kid (imo) has a 40 gameish window left before Ranger fans (that I know), are muttering the words "bust".

 

[Crease]

Kravtsov not skating and not joining the team on the road trip, so he will be out at least the next two games.

 

[RGY]

 

[Circus86]

I think 5 million is right around where Miller should get and I think if the Rangers are smart they will stay away from 2 year bridge contracts. Those are basically why the Rangers never have value contracts.

I am also only speculating. But if Miller could be had for 7 x 5mil it's a no brainer. Still think he gets a 2 year bridge.