Speculation: Roster Building Thread LXXXVIII: 3-2-1 TDL almost here!

[FIRE DRURY]

Not saying this is happening - but this would likely be the legitimate question if the right deal came along the next 4 days - What would You rather have for the long run:

Ryan Strome

or

Adam Lowry (signed as UFA for money similiar to $trome) + late 1st rounder + mid level developed prospect (a la Pepe)

???

I think the front office loves Strome. I think they also (mistakenly) extend Buch too. We won’t be sellers imo.

Gorts is cut-throat, but he’s also susceptible to retaining guys that “fit his agenda”. Trying to stay competitive while rebuilding.

I don’t think we’ll see major moves this deadline.

 

[NYSPORTS]

The draft kind of sucks this year. Want to move Strome for a 1st in 2022 fine but getting somewhere in the 20’s this year which is where a playoff team is likely picking is also likely to get you a future 3rd liner and possibly a bust. I wouldn’t do it for that.

All for it!!!! Would be great if a team coughed up a #1 in 2022 at this deadline. Never know in hockey. Could see a Montreal doing something like that. lol

 

[NYSPORTS]

I think the front office loves Strome. I think they also (mistakenly) extend Buch too. We won’t be sellers imo.

Gorts is cut-throat, but he’s also susceptible to retaining guys that “fit his agenda”. Trying to stay competitive while rebuilding.

I don’t think we’ll see major moves this deadline.

there is no room for all these guys.

I’m scared we’re going to see a massive overpay for a Eichel.

(Krav, Nils, Chytil, Barron, Schneider and a #1 for Eichel) - you know how dumb hockey GMs can be. I don’t trust them.

 

[IronBloodedLion]

there is no room for all these guys.

I keep thinking about this. Some guys are going to go, I’m just nervous as to who they’ll wind up moving and for what.

 

[haohmaru]

At first glance, I thought the thread title said "TLDR". Maybe I should just stick with that lol.

 

[JayAB81]

I think the front office loves Strome. I think they also (mistakenly) extend Buch too. We won’t be sellers imo.

Gorts is cut-throat, but he’s also susceptible to retaining guys that “fit his agenda”. Trying to stay competitive while rebuilding.

I don’t think we’ll see major moves this deadline.

I want them to extend Buch, I get we have a bit of a logjam at RW, with Buch, Kakko, and Kravtsov, but if we can hold onto all 3 long enough that's a huge win, same with Panarin, Kreider, and Laf, I actually think Strome has been really good this year, I think had Chytil not been injured, he'd have better stats, and maybe we'd be in the top 4 of the standing of the East.

I do wonder what we may do on Monday, if anything, are we gonna make a push for the playoffs, do we really want to trade one of our young promising prospects like Nils, or Krav for a short term player.

I also wonder how not only the Rangers, but the entire NHL will do when it comes to the expansion draft, we could see trades for players that have 1yr left after this season that can be exposed to not lose key players. Like we need to protect Trouba(NMC), but Lindgren, and then who? Libor?

Also, I'm really loving the Lindgren-Fox line, we need to extend Lindgren this offseason, and then next offseason Fox when he's a RFA.

 

[egelband]

I think the front office loves Strome. I think they also (mistakenly) extend Buch too. We won’t be sellers imo.

Gorts is cut-throat, but he’s also susceptible to retaining guys that “fit his agenda”. Trying to stay competitive while rebuilding.

I don’t think we’ll see major moves this deadline.

I think you’re spot on. But I am not sure I agree with Gorts on this. I’d sell high on Strome simply because I don’t think we can afford him long term. It’s a really tough spot. But in think you’re absolutely right about Gorton’s mindset.

 

[GAGLine]

Not saying this is happening - but this would likely be the legitimate question if the right deal came along the next 4 days - What would You rather have for the long run:

Ryan Strome

or

Adam Lowry (signed as UFA for money similiar to $trome) + late 1st rounder + mid level developed prospect (a la Pepe)

???

Lowry has never come close to putting up the kind of numbers Strome is putting up, and how many years would he want? I don't see the point in paying a UFA 4.5 per year for X years to play on the 3rd line. And that assumes he would even sign with us, which we can't know until the offseason.

So, to answer your question, I'd rather have Strome. A late 1st rounder and a mid level prospect doesn't do much for us. Any trades we make should be targeted at changing the dynamic on the current roster, not for unknown futures.

 

[egelband]

I want them to extend Buch, I get we have a bit of a logjam at RW, with Buch, Kakko, and Kravtsov, but if we can hold onto all 3 long enough that's a huge win, same with Panarin, Kreider, and Laf, I actually think Strome has been really good this year, I think had Chytil not been injured, he'd have better stats, and maybe we'd be in the top 4 of the standing of the East.

I do wonder what we may do on Monday, if anything, are we gonna make a push for the playoffs, do we really want to trade one of our young promising prospects like Nils, or Krav for a short term player.

I also wonder how not only the Rangers, but the entire NHL will do when it comes to the expansion draft, we could see trades for players that have 1yr left after this season that can be exposed to not lose key players. Like we need to protect Trouba(NMC), but Lindgren, and then who? Libor?

Also, I'm really loving the Lindgren-Fox line, we need to extend Lindgren this offseason, and then next offseason Fox when he's a RFA.

You need to hire a Punctuation Guy.

 

[cd211]

unless we get Krebs/newhook something along that for strome (even at 50% held), better off just keeping him as stop gap until Chytil can take his spot..

IMO JD/JG know the kids are our now and future.. strome is to young but its either we resign him or Buch, deff cant sign both..

trading buch/georgie should be explored for a top center prospect

 

[BBKers]

Lowry has never come close to putting up the kind of numbers Strome is putting up, and how many years would he want? I don't see the point in paying a UFA 4.5 per year for X years to play on the 3rd line. And that assumes he would even sign with us, which we can't know until the offseason.

So, to answer your question, I'd rather have Strome. A late 1st rounder and a mid level prospect doesn't do much for us. Any trades we make should be targeted at changing the dynamic on the current roster, not for unknown futures.

FAir enough

 

[MetalJaws]

It makes a ton of sense to move him right now. There is not as much on the market to choose from. He could fetch a 1st and prospect. Its at the least worth shopping him around. A flat cap really means nothing, its going to be flat next year too. Given his career norm, he may regress next year and then your selling at a lower value and only as a rental. Right now, at a good cap hit, the acquiring team has him for next year too.

Why would you trade a PPG leader on a team that's trying to make serious moves towards the playoffs these next handful of years for a mid to late first that MIGHT pan out in 3-5 years?

I'll never understand the argument of collecting prospects. Prospects are cool, cups are cooler. We have a million prospects. Too many. Been the youngest team in the NHL for 3 years now. We need NHL players. Good ones. Strome is a good NHL player who clicks with Panarin and obviously wants to be here. Rangers have zero cap issues and want to win. Trading good young roster players in their primes for Picks and prospects Is called a perpetual rebuild.

Our rebuild is over. Cupboards stocked to the brim. Time to get NHL proven talent to be contenders throughout the decade.

 

[Vitto79]

I don’t think they should but is there a chance the rangers buy and just hold onto a Smith aswell ?

 

[Leetch3]

Not saying this is happening - but this would likely be the legitimate question if the right deal came along the next 4 days - What would You rather have for the long run:

Ryan Strome

or

Adam Lowry (signed as UFA for money similiar to $trome) + late 1st rounder + mid level developed prospect (a la Pepe)

???

I think you only make that deal if you've decided that we can't afford to keep strome...so getting a first would be great if we are gonna lose strome anyway. but lowry would need to be at a solid discount compared for him to make sense. if he gets similar $$ than you've downgraded from strome without fixing the cap jam

 

[MetalJaws]

Rangers don't have cap problems. They can likely keep the team as is for many years and not have a problem due to ELC's and underperforming rookies on bridge deals. Factor in how happy Buch, Strome, Fox and Zib are here and you have your roster if you want it for the foreseeable future.

This talk of we can't keep both or not enough room and flat cap is nonsense. Rangers have so much cap this off-season and next. Everyone can resign.

Rangers don't want to get younger. They want to win and get older/mature. The talk of prospects and picks is silly. We want now players, not more 3-5 year question marks.

 

[MysticLeviathan]

I’m not sure how much we do now vs. during the offseason.

I think getting the vaccine yesterday was extremely risky as it might seriously impact their play today. If we lose 2 of the next 3 and Boston wins at least 2 of their next 3, I think we have to be Pete. We’re already facing an uphill battle and this season was always meant to be a rebuilding year. Maybe a team might seriously overpay for our assets.

 

[RGY]

Why would you trade a PPG leader on a team that's trying to make serious moves towards the playoffs these next handful of years for a mid to late first that MIGHT pan out in 3-5 years?

I'll never understand the argument of collecting prospects. Prospects are cool, cups are cooler. We have a million prospects. Too many. Been the youngest team in the NHL for 3 years now. We need NHL players. Good ones. Strome is a good NHL player who clicks with Panarin and obviously wants to be here. Rangers have zero cap issues and want to win. Trading good young roster players in their primes for Picks and prospects Is called a perpetual rebuild.

Our rebuild is over. Cupboards stocked to the brim. Time to get NHL proven talent to be contenders throughout the decade.

This is a funny post.

“Prospects are cool, Cups are cooler” ... in what f***ing world are we cup contenders?? What world? Certainly not in this one and in this year. And likely not next year. Thats the remaining years on Strome’s contract. Our Rebuild isn’t over. Its not. And trading Strome isnt even just about the rebuild, his contract and current stock value are factors in the decision.

As I mentioned in another post, the Rangers would be lucky to make the playoffs let alone talk about the Stanley Cup, LMFAO. They have 18 GR and are 5 points behind Boston who have a game in hand. This is simple math. They have a mountain to climb and even if they pulled off the miracle you think they are making it through the gauntlet of the East? Lol cmon wake up.

Lastly, who is to say we keep the assets we get for Strome longterm? They could very easily be flipped for a young NHL piece that could be here longterm at some point. A point when that deal is on the table but isnt right now. But right now, Strome’s value is as high as it has ever been.

 

[LaffyTaffy]

Not saying this is happening - but this would likely be the legitimate question if the right deal came along the next 4 days - What would You rather have for the long run:

Ryan Strome

or

Adam Lowry (signed as UFA for money similiar to $trome) + late 1st rounder + mid level developed prospect (a la Pepe)

???

Only way i consider this is if the 1st is in 2022 and we feel that Chytil is ready to be 2C night in night out

 

[rangerfan_79]

I'm not ready to write off next year.The pieces are coming together.

 

[JohnC]

I think the biggest deadline surprise we’ve had as ranger fans was Gaborik to Columbus. Came totally out of the blue

Yandle was completely out of left field

 

[Kocur Dill]

there is no room for all these guys.

I’m scared we’re going to see a massive overpay for a Eichel.

(Krav, Nils, Chytil, Barron, Schneider and a #1 for Eichel) - you know how dumb hockey GMs can be. I don’t trust them.

I dont know man.

He isn't McDavid, Crosby, Ovechkin level talent. I dont care what his eye test is. The numbers on him do not add up to that level of return. I'd even say, his salary is too high as well. Add in his commitment and attitude?

Not saying I wouldn't love to add him to the stable. But the Cons outweigh the Pros. And frankly, a guy like him isn't Captain material. He needs an established, strong willed vet in front of him. Kids ego is too much and the know-how isn't there to lead others.

Maybe he respects Quinn? IDK their BU relationship.

Karlsson, Stone returns IMO are ballpark what to expect. I dont value his contract term in the "Pros" column, for the many reasons I stated above.

 

[Ruggs225]

No way we trade strome unless massive overpayment. and by overpayment i dont mean picks but a young almost ready center prospect. even a first rounder isnt worth it right now. Its not ea nhl.

it would send a horrible message to the team.

we are in a PO chase. Who cares if we would get waxed in the POs if we get in. It is good experience for the kids. More “big” games the better as they mature.

also panarin and strome click well. Why break that up.

And at the end of the day strome walks after 2 years than so be it. Being competitive and teaching the kids is well worth it. We dont need more futures. We need to learn and grow now.

 

[Graves94]

Taking into account what we would need to give up, I would only consider trading for Eichel if Buf retains about 25% of his salary

 

[MetalJaws]

This is a funny post.

“Prospects are cool, Cups are cooler” ... in what f***ing world are we cup contenders?? What world? Certainly not in this one and in this year. And likely not next year. Thats the remaining years on Strome’s contract. Our Rebuild isn’t over. Its not. And trading Strome isnt even just about the rebuild, his contract and current stock value are factors in the decision.

As I mentioned in another post, the Rangers would be lucky to make the playoffs let alone talk about the Stanley Cup, LMFAO. They have 18 GR and are 5 points behind Boston who have a game in hand. This is simple math. They have a mountain to climb and even if they pulled off the miracle you think they are making it through the gauntlet of the East? Lol cmon wake up.

Lastly, who is to say we keep the assets we get for Strome longterm? They could very easily be flipped for a young NHL piece that could be here longterm at some point. A point when that deal is on the table but isnt right now. But right now, Strome’s value is as high as it has ever been.

Rangers will 100% be going for a cup this decade. They're still in the convo with Panarin missing 10+ Games in the toughest division. Youngest team in the league 2 years in a row. They have had a top 3 prospect pool for 2 years now. The cupboards are stacked to the brim. It's an embarrassment of riches. The current kids will get older and mature next year. This team isn't far off.

If you want to be in a perpetual rebuild and constantly trade solid NHL players in there prime for picks and prospects I'd suggest the Sabres board.

 

[GAGLine]

I don’t think they should but is there a chance the rangers buy and just hold onto a Smith aswell ?

I can't see us being buyers in the traditional sense. We certainly aren't going to trade for rentals. Maybe there's a deal out there where we acquire a player for the long term, but I have to think that that type of deal is more likely to happen in the offseason, particularly with the expansion draft coming up. If we make any deals at the deadline, I would expect them to be small moves, like moving a depth forward/dman for a mid to late pick.