Speculation: Roster Building Thread LXXXVIII: 3-2-1 TDL almost here!

[Off Sides]

If Laff is behind Panarin and Kreider both 5on5 and the PP, and the two vets have no movement clauses for at least the next 3 years, where does Laff really fit in with that? Is he going to learn to pk?

Chytil too, if they are extending Zbad and Strome, where does he really fit in given he does not play special teams at all?

If they keep all of Buch, Kakko and Kravtsov, by default one is on the 3rd line, and so far neither of the younger really plays special teams.

They are going to have a 3rd line featuring all of Laff, Chytil, and either Kakko or Kravtsov where none play PP or PK?

 

[Pawnee Rangers]

And to think that you can throw anyone next to Artemi and get the same results is false. K2 and Bread haven't meshed. Strome and Bread as a pair are pretty elite.

I agree. Hopefully they can come to an agreement that's good for all parties involved.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

And to think that you can throw anyone next to Artemi and get the same results is false. K2 and Bread haven't meshed. Strome and Bread as a pair are pretty elite.

It's not about getting the same results.

I think the point is you can throw almost anyone next to Panarin and it won't kill Panarin's production. I'd gladly take a bit of a hit on Panarin's production if it meant strengthening other areas of this team.

 

[Fitzy]

I agree. Hopefully they can come to an agreement that's good for all parties involved.

And that decision can wait until next TDL, when we have an even larger sample size to pull from.

It would be wise to make the Mika decision this offseason, but Strome doesn't have that kind of trade value, so we can kick it to that deadline. If he's poor next year, sell him as a rental or self rent. If he's solid, see if you can come to a team friendly arrangement.

 

[Avery16]

If Zajac and Palmieri on expiring contracts at 50% for a 1st is any indication of the market, I don't think we stand to gain much.

 

[GAGLine]

If Laff is behind Panarin and Kreider both 5on5 and the PP, and the two vets have no movement clauses for at least the next 3 years, where does Laff really fit in with that? Is he going to learn to pk?

Chytil too, if they are extending Zbad and Strome, where does he really fit in given he does not play special teams at all?

If they keep all of Buch, Kakko and Kravtsov, by default one is on the 3rd line, and so far neither of the younger really plays special teams.

They are going to have a 3rd line featuring all of Laff, Chytil, and either Kakko or Kravtsov where none play PP or PK?

We have time on Zib, Strome and Buch. Zib and Strome both have a year left on their deals, and Buch has 1 RFA year left before he is eligible for an NMC, which he may not even get. Moves will be made as needed.

 

[Avery16]

 

[MarkMessyay11]

If Zajac and Palmieri on expiring contracts at 50% for a 1st is any indication of the market, I don't think we stand a lot to gain.

Our best trade assets are 2 pieces we really can’t afford to trade right now - Strome and Zibanejad. Either one at 50% would command a pretty strong return. If I was JG, I’d be entertaining offers but only seriously considering any that included a younger center that’s in the NHL or on the cusp, with top 6 potential. Forget the draft picks.

Might be a hard find at the moment, but that would be my price.

 

[Avery16]

 

[LiveLongandProspal]

Your post mentioned arms... side effects? After 2nd shot? Maybe. But looks like they received the J&J which is one and done.

I was referring to the "pain" in the arm.

Everyone I know (self and fiancee included) who got Moderna felt it in the arm for sure a few hrs later... but again, I am not Mr. Tough guy and I could've played hockey that night no prob... mowed the lawn in fact.

This isn't to say everyone is the same but pro athletes can certainly play through the pain.

I had both Modernas. First one gave me a sore arm and a little bit of fatigue, but nothing too bad. Second one SUCKED. Sore arm, bruise for 2 weeks, and I was sick for a good 36 hours. I'm 31, BTW. I'm not a professional athlete obviously, but I've heard of quite a number of millennials who had similar reactions to mine.

 

[Pawnee Rangers]

And that decision can wait until next TDL, when we have an even larger sample size to pull from.

It would be wise to make the Mika decision this offseason, but Strome doesn't have that kind of trade value, so we can kick it to that deadline. If he's poor next year, sell him as a rental or self rent. If he's solid, see if you can come to a team friendly arrangement.

I've always felt that the defining moment of this rebuild is going to come down to what they do with Zib. I don't know if they should or shouldn't resign him, but they need to go into those negotiations without being hamstrung by budget issues (we can't afford him) or prospect depth (we have no one here to replace him or too few prospects to trade for his replacement), which if they're smart, they should be able to accomplish.

 

[rangers1314]

I think LB said that they were vaxed post game on Tuesday night, and then had yesterday off.

Either way, good news

 

[Off Sides]

We have time on Zib, Strome and Buch. Zib and Strome both have a year left on their deals, and Buch has 1 RFA year left before he is eligible for an NMC, which he may not even get. Moves will be made as needed.

Yet if the roster is basically the same next year, do some of those younger players get PP or PK time, or is it the same as this year? Like where does the progression come into play where once say Strome is gone that Chytil is ready for special teams, or once Buch is gone?

And if they do move Buch, or Strome, do they bring back players who are going to PP or PK? And if so do the youth ever turn out to be all situation players?

I guess overall I just don't really see the path for them to become more than sort of one game situation 5on5 players who get some PP or PK time when someone(s) are not in front of them.

 

[frozenrubber]

FOR SALE - 50% OFF:

BRENDAN SMITH

- Plays both sides
- Lost wedding weight
- Housebroken
- Has all of his shots

 

[Rongomania]

FOR SALE - 50% OFF:

BRENDAN SMITH

- Plays both sides
- Lost wedding weight
- Housebroken
- Has all of his shots

And post of the year goes to:

 

[Fitzy]

Sadly, dogs that bite almost never get adopted.

 

[GAGLine]

Yet if the roster is basically the same next year, do some of those younger players get PP or PK time, or is it the same as this year? Like where does the progression come into play where once say Strome is gone that Chytil is ready for special teams, or once Buch is gone?

And if they do move Buch, or Strome, do they bring back players who are going to PP or PK? And if so do the youth ever turn out to be all situation players?

I guess overall I just don't really see the path for them to become more than sort of one game situation 5on5 players who get some PP or PK time when someone(s) are not in front of them.

I can't predict what we will do other than to say that paths will be made. If the kids are ready for more, they will be given more and moves will be made as necessary to accommodate them.

What I don't think will happen is a lot of pre-emptive moves to give the kids opportunities they may not be ready for. Like, we aren't just going to move Buch and Strome for futures this offseason and promote Kakko/Kravtsov/Laf and Chytil. I liken it to when we traded Rozsival. We signed him to a 4 year deal and then traded him in the middle of the 3rd year once McDonagh showed he was ready to take his spot. We'll see the same thing happen with the current kids.

I would like to see Kakko/Laf get more PP time, but that can be accomplished by balancing the PP time more between the 2 units, rather than moving either to PP1. If/when we get to a point where the playoffs are out of reach, I would expect them to get more time as well.

 

[effen]

Just like that, all that hard work by Tob down the drain. frozenrubber poster of the year.

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

Yet if the roster is basically the same next year, do some of those younger players get PP or PK time, or is it the same as this year? Like where does the progression come into play where once say Strome is gone that Chytil is ready for special teams, or once Buch is gone?

And if they do move Buch, or Strome, do they bring back players who are going to PP or PK? And if so do the youth ever turn out to be all situation players?

I guess overall I just don't really see the path for them to become more than sort of one game situation 5on5 players who get some PP or PK time when someone(s) are not in front of them.

Yea I agree with you. It is an awkward situation where there is the belief that the kids need to be better to unseat the vets which is fair, but at the same time there is a much smaller margin of error for the kids with the coaching staff as well as a large financial commitment to the vets. I would hope that next season over a full 82 we will see changes in terms of specifically Kakko/Lafreniere getting more PP time, Lafreniere getting 12-14+min 5v5 time consistently, etc. but if it's still Quinn feeling the pressure from mgmt or internally to win at all costs / keep his seat, I'm a bit skeptical that will happen.

Maybe Lafreniere makes a quantum leap over the summer, and Kakko continues to play like this to flat out force everyone's hand. I'm sure that's the hope. Kakko in a lot of ways made that really good leap this year and is 3rd among forwards in 5v5 TOI / Game (7th in PP). In his rookie year he was 8th 5v5 / 6th PP and interestingly Lafreniere is also 8th 5v5/6th PP in his rookie year. Kakko's jump makes sense due to his improvement and due to his competition for top 5v5 ice time is basically Blackwell and Gauthier. The challenge is next year Lafreniere is still going to have Panarin and Kreider in front of him. That's a tough hill to climb...maybe it shouldn't be but the coaches have to be willing to cut Kreider's minutes when he is in the downward oscillation of his performance swings.

On Chytil I see less urgency to get him more opportunity next season. Assuming he isn't traded. He's getting plenty of 5v5 ice time and let's be real has lower expectations than Lafreniere/Kakko. Strome works really well next to Panarin and is on an affordable deal. If they bridge him and either trade him or let him finally have an opportunity in 2022-23 when/if Strome walks, at the ripe ol age of 23, that's not a terrible plan.

 

[Avery16]

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I don't even know what hes trying to say here.

One team bought, the other team sold.

 

[Avery16]

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

Would have loved to take a flyer on Borgstrom.

 

[Tob]

always like seeing these trades with once upon a time untouchables.

 

[LORDE]

I had both Modernas. First one gave me a sore arm and a little bit of fatigue, but nothing too bad. Second one SUCKED. Sore arm, bruise for 2 weeks, and I was sick for a good 36 hours. I'm 31, BTW. I'm not a professional athlete obviously, but I've heard of quite a number of millennials who had similar reactions to mine.

Yeah I've heard the same about shot #2

I'm 47 (but look and feel like 31 *wink*) and as I said shot 2 sounds like it won't be fun but these guys are pros. I'm not worried about their arms at all.