Speculation: Roster Building Thread LXXXIX: Going 11-3 to close out this crazy year should do it!

[Off Sides]

If you believe that the Rangers were not shopping him, then why question a statement that said that he was not available at TDL? And then produce articles that in fact also made no mention at all of him being shopped at the deadline?

Wouldn't have Florida been more interested in Buchnevich this past trade deadline than this summer?

Not necessarily. The Rangers also never made him available so it is hard to gauge anyone's interest when you know said player is not available.

Straw man, literally arguing against something no one said

How do you know they did not make him available?

There was ZERO smoke about it. Not in any media. Not from any of our insiders. NOTHING. And management wants to make the playoffs. S0 subtracting him and hurting your chances makes no sense at all.

There was more than Zero and Nothing, in several media links I provided that all questioned if Buch would be moved at the deadline.

One random Brooks article where he claims that they will try to trade him in the summer and him musing that maybe they might think about it at the TDL, does not make anything concrete. At all. He was not available.

Here you admit that at least Brooks thought they may move him at the deadline.

Then you move the goal posts again by saying "He was not available"

Which is again something you do not know.

So here I am providing links to speculation that the Rangers may move Buch at the deadline, and here you are creating straw men and declaring stuff you think you know to be true while not knowing it to be true.

 

[True Blue]

I was talking more about the rest of this year. If we want to add a puck mover to the bottom pairing this year, Jones and Reunanen are our only options and since Jones is already on the roster, he seems like the first choice. Next year is an entirely different story.

Ahh. Got it.

Yeah, would have no issue with trying that out at this point.

 

[True Blue]

Extremely rare yes, never, no.

Hardly what one would call "the cost of doing business". Not referring to you here.

 

[True Blue]

Straw man, literally arguing against something no one said

You DID question what makes me state that he was unavailable? I replied. That is not a straw man. That is a factual statement.

There was more than Zero and Nothing, in several media links I provided that all questioned if Buch would be moved at the deadline.

There was nothing in any link that you provided that stated that Buchnevich was being shopped at the deadline. If I am wrong, then I missed that part but need for you to highlight it.

Here you admit that at least Brooks thought they may move him at the deadline.

A reporter musing is not the same thing as the player being available. Brooks at no point states that the Rangers are shopping him.

Then you move the goal posts again by saying "He was not available"

This all started when I said that he was not available which you questioned. I am still waiting for anything that shows that he was available for a move. Where is that statement?

Which is again something you do not know.

As there is abosolutely nothing stating that he was made available and not a single one of our insiders intimated that he was, I am going with him not being available as the most likely outcome.

So here I am providing links to speculation that the Rangers may move Buch at the deadline, and here you are creating straw men and declaring stuff you think you know to be true while not knowing it to be true.

You are providing musings as to why he may or may not be a part of the future. You have provided nothing that points to him actually being available at the deadline.

 

[Barnaby]

That has to be one of the most underwhelming picks in recent years. I hope he can turn it around, but saying I'm not very confident is an understatement.

 

[True Blue]

That has to be one of the most underwhelming picks in recent years. I hope he can turn it around, but saying I'm not very confident is an understatement.

Going to be honest. I have given up hope.

 

[Avery16]

Straw man, literally arguing against something no one said





There was more than Zero and Nothing, in several media links I provided that all questioned if Buch would be moved at the deadline.


Here you admit that at least Brooks thought they may move him at the deadline.

Then you move the goal posts again by saying "He was not available"

Which is again something you do not know.

So here I am providing links to speculation that the Rangers may move Buch at the deadline, and here you are creating straw men and declaring stuff you think you know to be true while not knowing it to be true.

Man, just disengage.

 

[Barnaby]

Going to be honest. I have given up hope.

Compare what he's done in Europe to the underwhelming Lias Andersson and I think that sums up my thoughts.

 

[Off Sides]

You DID question what makes me state that he was unavailable? I replied. That is not a straw man. That is a factual statement.

There was nothing in any link that you provided that stated that Buchnevich was being shopped at the deadline. If I am wrong, then I missed that part but need for you to highlight it.

A reporter musing is not the same thing as the player being available. Brooks at no point states that the Rangers are shopping him.

This all started when I said that he was not available which you questioned. I am still waiting for anything that shows that he was available for a move. Where is that statement?

As there is abosolutely nothing stating that he was made available and not a single one of our insiders intimated that he was, I am going with him not being available as the most likely outcome.

You are providing musings as to why he may or may not be a part of the future. You have provided nothing that points to him actually being available at the deadline.

You are again arguing dishonestly.

This all started because you did not comprehend my post and decided to create a straw man argument against it.

You are still changing the words around. All those links speculate Buch could be moved at the deadline, you want to use the word shopped, a word I never used. Why do you want to use that word so badly?


Let's move on to available, you are telling me the Rangers would not have traded him last deadline under any circumstances?

Edmonton: We will to move McDavid for Buch
Rangers: Nope not available?

 

[True Blue]

You are again arguing dishonestly.

This all started because you did not comprehend my post and decided to create a straw man argument against it.

You are still changing the words around. All those links speculate Buch could be moved at the deadline, you want to use the word shopped, a word I never used. Why do you want to use that word so badly?


Let's move on to available, you telling me the Rangers would not have traded him last deadline under any circumstances?

Edmonton: We will to move McDavid for Buch
Rangers: Nope not available?

Ok, if your defense all along was that he is available for a McDavid trade, then I am clearly wrong. Yes, he and virtually all others would be available for such move. Short of that, in the regular course of business, no Buchnevich was not available. You yourself said that he was not being shopped. So you are clearly agreeing. Short of a ridiculous fantasy trade offer from a fantasy GM, Buchnevich was not out there on the block being shopped around.

In none of your links, are there any statements that he was being shopped. At all. Heck, Brooks could not wait to post about teams doing due diligence on DeAngelo. But here? Nothing. Nothing to indicate that he was available. The next time you offer evidence that he was either available or was being shopped around will be the first time.

 

[DutchShamrock]

What time does the daily semantics lesson end so I can check back in?

 

[gravey9]

I know it's a totally different era, but I do wonder sometimes if the young guys and even some of the older finesse guys would benefit from having a Matt Martin type in the bottom 6. A protective older brother type who can send a message. It's not so much about fighting, it's about giving the offensive guys more confidence to play inside.

As I've said before this team very much so reminds me of the Czechmates era. I think this team has more skill, far more emerging talent -- but they play that outside finesse style that those teams played. And it's not a recipe for success.

The issue is -- we have tons of skilled guys both on the team and coming in the next year or two -- we need as many spots as possible to see which skilled guys to keep and which to move. So, unless Gorton plans on making bets before he knows what he has in his own hand - I don't think the finesse vs jam will be solvable for another season. That's why I wonder if we sacrifice one forward spot to a vet who can intimidate. You can't solve this issue with one player. It's a bigger team-wide issue to work out. I just don't think we're there yet and maybe a band-aid isn't the worst idea for next year.

 

[rangers1314]

DQ confirms no Trouba tomorrow.

sounds like Jones is in

 

[LOFIN]

DQ confirms no Trouba tomorrow.

sounds like Jones is in

I wonder why they didn't go with Reunanen, but exited to see Jones if he plays.

 

[Fitzy]

DQ confirms no Trouba tomorrow.

sounds like Jones is in

That Trouba is only day to day is amazing. Doesn't matter for this season but I hope for his sake that reduces the amount of post concussion issues.

 

[BBKers]

I wonder why they didn't go with Reunanen, but exited to see Jones if he plays.

Showcasin, duhhh...

 

[rangers1314]

If DQ goes with Jones and Bietto, that’s an all NCAA top 6

 

[tomobson]

I doubt trouba is day-to-day. I'm sure he's out for the rest season. Absolutely no reason to see him even practicing.

 

[Savant]

That has to be one of the most underwhelming picks in recent years. I hope he can turn it around, but saying I'm not very confident is an understatement.

Remember wanting Dorofeyev at the time. Also liked Grewe.

 

[redwhiteandblue]

They can't even play the left side

Lol f*** this is exactly what I thought as soon as I read that. Perfect.

Honestly, good on ya for Bitetto having a solid stretch at times, playing for his hometown team. Also, I gave Libor a lot of credit when he was first back up at how well he had developed into a more steady 6D kinda guy. But yeah, they are both brutal and I can't wait to get new life on the back end next year.

 

[cheech70]

Showcasin, duhhh...

I only saw Zac in the finals.BUT..he has a way to go in my humble not so informed opinion. Absolutely agree........ trade bait hype

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

I only saw Zac in the finals.BUT..he has a way to go in my humble not so informed opinion. Absolutely agree........ trade bait hype

The championship game wasn't his most noticeable, I agree there. But he's been stellar all season

 

[Chytilmania]

If DQ goes with Jones and Bietto, that’s an all NCAA top 6

Shutout incoming

 

[smoneil]

Especially with Trouba's injury, I would go with 11 forwards and 7 D for a few games. It lets you get kids like Jones or Reuanen out there for a cup of coffee, and you can just double shift the kids in that fourth line spot to get them more minutes.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

If DQ goes with Jones and Bietto, that’s an all NCAA top 6

We had an all-NCAA blueline on Feb 1st as well