Speculation: Roster Building Thread LXXXIX: Going 11-3 to close out this crazy year should do it!

[Barnaby]

By some miracle Rangers trade with Seattle to get them to draft CK... and then I wake up.

But in all seriousness what is there available from the Rangers thats actually interesting for expansion. Not a whole lot. You could dangle CK & TDA over Gauthier, Howden, Hajek... I'd rather take them over the latter.

Its not even like CK is a bad player. He is what he is, I just dont like having that much $ tied to him with all this current/future talent

I believe he has a NMC which would mean he’d have to waive it in my understanding. He’s a north east guy so I’d find it difficult to see him waiving it to go to an expansion team in Seattle. It would also be lousy asset management considering he could’ve been dealt last year for a pretty nice haul. The optics of that wouldn’t look too great on GMJG. He can blame the flat cap due to CoVid but I doubt he goes that way at this point. Maybe a few years down the line. I’m not sure what allowances there are in CK’s deal to allow him to be moved then does someone want AAV and term?

 

[Kodiak]

Vince's latest article (Subscribe!) Has some great snippets on the prospect defensive competition for next camp. Here's the highlight that relayed to me that we and Drury are on the same page.

"That's the plan: To have them all come to Ranger training camp, tryout, put their best foot forward and we'll go from there," Drury said.
Barring a trade, whoever doesn't make the cut from the group that should include Lundkvist, Jones, Schneider, Robertson, Skinner and Reunanen (and don't forget Libor Hájek) will be ticketed for AHL Hartford, which Drury noted they'll all be eligible for.
Lundkvist is positioned as the leader of the pack, especially if he's able to showcase his talent for the Swedish National Team at the IIHF World Championships this spring.

What a nothing statement from Drury. So they come into camp, try to impress the coaching staff, and if they don't make the cut, they get sent down? Yeah, Chris, that's what training camp is. Thanks for explaining.

 

[True Blue]

Can you move the goal posts just a little more, I think Trouba almost hit the net that time.

What goal posts are moved? You posted several links. Which of them said that Buchnevich was being actively shopped at the deadline?

 

[True Blue]

I’m trying to tell you that young center prospects that are drafted at the top half of the first Rd are rarely ever dealt before playing for the team that drafted them. It would require an overpay to get Lundell out of FLA. they have their own kids that need ice time and will get better in tippet and Denisenko. Verheagie was a great add for them, they still have Huby. Wingers are much easier to add then a center. That’s why we’re looking. These types of prospects are not dealt without being overpaid for. It’s a big reason why we couldn’t acquire the Zergas pick, it’s a big reason why Sakic would take kreider for Newhook. The position is more in demand, which makes teams want more to move them

I understand about young centers. That does not change the fact that they are nothing more than a speculation of a future. You keep saying that the Rangers would need to overpay to get a teenager who has never played a second of a single game at the NHL level. What does this overpay look like? We are talking about Buchevich. That has been the only player that we have been talking aobut. So you are telling me that Gorton and JD would need to add to a Buchnevich in order to land someone like Lundell. THAT is what I am calling out. I am doing that because neither you nor I know of a trade where a top-line player was traded straight up for a kid that has never stepped a toe even at the AHL level. So what, in your view would Gorton and JD would need to add to a 26 year (whose birthday is not until mid-April of next year) two way playing, 60ish point (who this year is trending to over 70 points) top line wing in order to land a kid whose chances of every hitting such offensive numbers are low?

 

[Shesterkybomb]

The d should be..

Miller Fox
Lindgren Hajek
Reunanen Smith

But will likely be

Lindgren Smith
Miller fox
Bitetto hajek

 

[True Blue]

Right. And I’m not saying that’s the way it should be. Obviously buch has proved far more. But in order to get these franchises to move these high Ed ELC centers, they have to feel like their getting the better of the deal. That’s all I’m saying. Otherwise we’d see far more trades. Lundell +1st for buch is a pipe dream

But if that is your view, then you should able to point to a precedent where a top line player, in the prime of his career, was traded straight up for a prospect.

 

[wafflepadsave]

Well once again that game showed why we would be ousted early once again in a playoff series . We are at least 3 decent 6ft 210 + pounders with an attitude away from being able to go with some clubs and providing some room for some of our more slight sized skilled guys and our bigger soft playing types to work . I'm hoping that management can make those changes in the next two seasons . We should be able to land one via a UFA signing and one via a trade to add that to our roster . Next season maybe Schneider cracks our lineup ? I would love to see Miller add more nastiness into his game . Trouba was playing so good for us as of late.....albeit was only against NJ . Have at it guys !

Some people here think that is crazy talk. Management usually looks over those types. I went and looked at the prospects on the nyr sites. Just about everyone looks like someone you want your daughter to marry but hardly anybody to win a board battle.

 

[True Blue]

And I never said the Rangers were shopping him

If you believe that the Rangers were not shopping him, then why question a statement that said that he was not available at TDL? And then produce articles that in fact also made no mention at all of him being shopped at the deadline?

 

[Shesterkybomb]

But if that is your view, then you should able to point to a precedent where a top line player, in the prime of his career, was traded straight up for a prospect.

Scott gomez for mcdonagh lol... joking ofcourse

 

[Barnaby]

The d should be..

Miller Fox
Lindgren Hajek
Reunanen Smith

But will likely be

Lindgren Smith
Miller fox
Bitetto hajek

That’s rough...

I’d slide Jones in at this point since they are all but mathematically eliminated. He probably can’t be worse than Bitetto.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

That’s rough...

I’d slide Jones in at this point since they are all but mathematically eliminated. He probably can’t be worse than Bitetto.

Just shows how important Trouba is to the balance of the team right? I think Reunanen deserves another chance to show himself.

 

[Savant]

But if that is your view, then you should able to point to a precedent where a top line player, in the prime of his career, was traded straight up for a prospect.

It’s a rarity but it happens.

Erat for Forsberg comes to mind

 

[Barnaby]

It’s a rarity but it happens.

Erat for Forsberg comes to mind

Extremely rare yes, never, no. I still think the Rangers look for an established player if the deal Buchnevich.

Erat for Forsberg and Gaustadt for a 1st are constantly cited by fans trying to sell bad offers. “So your saying there’s a chance?!”

Just to speculate, I think NYR expects to be a playoff team next year and a contender the year after so I’m thinking they look for a guy that can play now.

 

[Savant]

Extremely rare yes, never, no. I still think the Rangers look for an established player if the deal Buchnevich.

Erat for Forsberg and Gaustadt for a 1st are constantly sided by fans trying to sell bad offers. “So your saying there’s a chance?!”

Yeah I agree.

Fiala for Granlund was another one involving Nashville but on the wrong end this time.

I mentioned Conor Garland before the deadline as maybe a target as a guy who can play multiple lines and is going to be going onto their second contract as opposed to their thurd contract like Buchnevich is. If Buchnevich is moved it’s probably going to be for economics, and if Buchnevich is traded, the Rangers will need a wing to replace him too. It’s a bit sticky.

 

[Barnaby]

Yeah I agree.

Fiala for Granlund was another one involving Nashville but on the wrong end this time.

I mentioned Conor Garland before the deadline as maybe a target as a guy who can play multiple lines and is going to be going onto their second contract as opposed to their thurd contract like Buchnevich is. If Buchnevich is moved it’s probably going to be for economics, and if Buchnevich is traded, the Rangers will need a wing to replace him too. It’s a bit sticky.

I think fans in AZ might burn down the arena if they deal Garland. I’d expect him to be resigned and probably to a long term contract.

 

[Avery16]

 

[B17 Apricots]

I believe he has a NMC which would mean he’d have to waive it in my understanding. He’s a north east guy so I’d find it difficult to see him waiving it to go to an expansion team in Seattle. It would also be lousy asset management considering he could’ve been dealt last year for a pretty nice haul. The optics of that wouldn’t look too great on GMJG. He can blame the flat cap due to CoVid but I doubt he goes that way at this point. Maybe a few years down the line. I’m not sure what allowances there are in CK’s deal to allow him to be moved then does someone want AAV and term?

I definitely hear ya there. I just look at it as an opportunity to cut your losses now if you can without giving it time to possibly snowball. He can be a 55 point player for the entirety of his contract I just believe his cap would be better allocated elsewhere

 

[True Blue]

It’s a rarity but it happens.

Erat for Forsberg comes to mind

Ok, fair, though we can debate whether or not Erat at the time of the deal was considered on the level that Buchnevich is right now. But in that case, the situation was a bit different. The Caps were in the playoff hunt and believed that they need to acquire help for the playoffs. The Rangers are not in that desperate of a position.

But even if we overlook the situational differences, the rarity of such moves casts even more doubts on that the cost of doing business to acquire a kid that had never played in the NHL by a team that is sending a in-prime young top liner is to add to said young top liner. That really just does not happen.

 

[True Blue]

And that's why if it's Buch for Lundell, I'm cool with it. Don't need an add.

Ok. I think that we can summarize this is that such a move is what you are fine with. Your view and that is fine. But my overall arching point is that such trades really do not happen. The team trading a young top liner in his prime does not usually make a 1 for 1 trade for an unproven prospect. Even a center that was taken in the first round.

 

[True Blue]

It doesn’t happen because No One deals the center prospect. And I like buch a lot but as far as he goes this is the only year he’s put up a PPG in a short season. It’s not like he has a long history of being a 70 pt player

That is 100% pure conjecture. One can say with as much conviction that these trades do not happen because young top liners in their prime are never traded straight up for prospects who have yet to see a single second in the NHL.

 

[True Blue]

Edge was live-posting during the draft that Buch to EDM was all but a done deal before EDM backed out to use their 1st round pick.

Completely different scenarios. And at that point, Buchnevich had not progressed to the level that he is at today.

 

[True Blue]

Hopefully with Jones, the 3rd pairing will at least be able to move the puck up ice and not get pinned in the defensive zone so much. Any combination of Smith, Bitetto, and Hajek on the ice together will be a shift spent almost entirely in the defensive zone.

I think that Jones will be in the mix, but will spend another year in Hartford working on his game. One of Lundqvist or Schneider will probably win a spot on the right side of the third pairing. And either a vet that will be brought in for the left side or one of Reauanene or Robertson will claim the other spot. But I am not discounting that Hajek will probably be in the mix.

 

[BBKers]

Guy is headed towards Herman territory with an outrageous tweet like this. Rangers can still reach 72 points. Bostons magic number is hence 15, not 5 as he claims here. To think he gets money & privileges being a "beatwriter" too...

 

[Kodiak]

I think that Jones will be in the mix, but will spend another year in Hartford working on his game. One of Lundqvist or Schneider will probably win a spot on the right side of the third pairing. And either a vet that will be brought in for the left side or one of Reauanene or Robertson will claim the other spot. But I am not discounting that Hajek will probably be in the mix.

I was talking more about the rest of this year. If we want to add a puck mover to the bottom pairing this year, Jones and Reunanen are our only options and since Jones is already on the roster, he seems like the first choice. Next year is an entirely different story.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Can either Hajek or Bietto play the right side?

They can't even play the left side