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Speculation: Roster Building Thread LXXXII: Stepping up in a Perfect Storm?

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Virtanen is a really talented kid who should be a lot better than he has been. He just doesn't seem to want to work on the ice. He's basically a less productive version of JT Miller when he was a Ranger. I could see him finding his game with a new team but Anaheim is kind of a mess. Seems like they're trying to get a mulligan on the Ritchie for Heinen deal.
 
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Friedman on Headlines says a potential Virtanen-for-Heinen trade with Anaheim is more likely to NOT happen than happen. They're seeing if they can make a trade work in another way.
 
East Coast Bias said:
NHL GMs are so overly conservative. The NBA will trade half the all stars in the league in 18 months while NHL GMs will be paralyzed over whether to trade Jake Virtanen.

calgarys “core” is gonna retire before Treliving decides if they need to shake it up.
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I wonder why that is.

Does the NHL have more barriers to trades in player contracts? Or is this purely a cultural discrepancy?
 
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Fitzy said:
I wonder why that is.

Does the NHL have more barriers to trades in player contracts? Or is this purely a cultural discrepancy?
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to be fair the NBA has a soft cap. The NHL is obviously a hard cap. So that’s a big part of it

I just think hockey has a really risk adverse culture as well. There’s just not a lot of teams that do crazy things.
 
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Tob said:
I bet teams are over Tony's issues and the trade is not happening just because of his salary.
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I don't think anyone forgot his past all of a sudden. He's getting bought out, a team may take a league minimum chance on him after the buyout but im not even sure that's gonna happen.
 
KreiderBomb said:
I don't think anyone forgot his past all of a sudden. He's getting bought out, a team may take a league minimum chance on him after the buyout but im not even sure that's gonna happen.
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Ya that's roughly what I meant. No one is taking on ~$6M on a player that may be so controversial that they may never suit up if there's enough of a "boycott".
 
I suspect there will be a market for ADA in the offseason. 1 yr left at that point, and more teams will have cap space.

I'll wait. No interest in retaining salary and taking a cap hit for this guy to play elsewhere.

We don't need the cap space this season, so I'll take the full hit while he sits.

Hell we could even expose him for the expansion draft if there is truly nothing on the trade market.
 
Hire Sather said:
I suspect there will be a market for ADA in the offseason. 1 yr left at that point, and more teams will have cap space.

I'll wait. No interest in retaining salary and taking a cap hit for this guy to play elsewhere.

We don't need the cap space this season, so I'll take the full hit while he sits.

Hell we could even expose him for the expansion draft if there is truly nothing on the trade market.
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Yep. Even flipping him for a conditional 7th is a slight improvement from buying him out at around 500k a year.

Hopefully he learns from the experience, and NYR come away without much damage to the cap or team value.
 
East Coast Bias said:
NHL GMs are so overly conservative. The NBA will trade half the all stars in the league in 18 months while NHL GMs will be paralyzed over whether to trade Jake Virtanen.

calgarys “core” is gonna retire before Treliving decides if they need to shake it up.
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The Nets traded several good players and almost a decade's worth of draft picks for James Harden. Meanwhile HF is several thousand posts into Calgary possibly trading Sam Bennett. A dude with a career high of 36 points lmfao.
 
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Tob said:
I bet teams are over Tony's issues and the trade is not happening just because of his salary.
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There are basically three things going on with trading for Tony:

1. Is he going to be a problem in the locker room?
2. Is his cap hit commensurate with his overall play?
3. Does his offensive play offset his defensive deficiencies enough?
 
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Hire Sather said:
I suspect there will be a market for ADA in the offseason. 1 yr left at that point, and more teams will have cap space.

I'll wait. No interest in retaining salary and taking a cap hit for this guy to play elsewhere.

We don't need the cap space this season, so I'll take the full hit while he sits.

Hell we could even expose him for the expansion draft if there is truly nothing on the trade market.
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Seattle might bite on him. If I'm remembering correctly Seattle will be required to reach a certain cap threshold with the players they take in the expansion draft and Tony's cap hit might make him attractive.
 
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Definitely the only concern with him is #1 . His offense is well worth his poor defense and then some . You have 41 home games where you can control his defensive zone work to a certain degree . He is an offensive dynamo and adds at least half a goal a game to a clubs offensive output or more . Somebody will take him at some point . He just has way too much talent for some GM not to want to try and tame the personality that comes with the package. If they can....they will benefit from having him ....for how long though is the big question.
 
East Coast Bias said:
NHL GMs are so overly conservative. The NBA will trade half the all stars in the league in 18 months while NHL GMs will be paralyzed over whether to trade Jake Virtanen.

calgarys “core” is gonna retire before Treliving decides if they need to shake it up.
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I’m not complaining, this is a good thing.
 
Sayba said:
I’m not complaining, this is a good thing.
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I don’t think so at all. An overly stagnant league isn’t good. I don’t think it needs to be insane where everyone’s moving.

But personally I find it boring to listen to rumors that never ever come to fruition. And in the end it’s just GMs laboring over the smallest things. It’s not that the rumors are false - it’s that the GMs are just so risk adverse.
 
Tawnos said:
Except for Gorton.
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Yeah I definitely did not have the Rangers in mind with my thoughts. More so league wide. Gorton has been very aggressive relative to the league.

Over the years Pittsburgh did a good job balancing sanity with aggression. They seemed to move a 4-6m wing every season. Just trading one for ones trying to find the right wings for their stars.

where other teams seem to trot out the same team with the same holes for a decade.
 
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East Coast Bias said:
to be fair the NBA has a soft cap. The NHL is obviously a hard cap. So that’s a big part of it

I just think hockey has a really risk adverse culture as well. There’s just not a lot of teams that do crazy things.
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Amazing tnat it used to not be that way.

NHL for years was looked at as a league that had TOO MUCH movement.
 
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