Speculation: Roster Building Thread LXXXII: Stepping up in a Perfect Storm?

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Kravtsov isn't even top 5 on his KHL team in scoring and people are assuming he's NHL ready.

Buchnevich was doing more, at a younger age.
 
So Chytil and Kakko close and I hope Panarin sooner than later. Who comes out?

Panarin , Zib , Buch
Kreider , Strome , Kakko
Laf, Chytil , Blackwell
Lemieux , Rooney , PDG or Howden or Goat

that’s how I see but Quinn won’t lol
That is not too bad...definitely sit Howden out . I might go with Gauthier and if plays a vanilla game...he sits out the next one for PDG . Maybe he gets the message then he needs to play to his size with and without the puck ...he was good last night.
 
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Strome could be an excellent 3C and PP2 guy on a good team. The issue is him being used as a 1B center and PP1 guy.

Either way, he’s looked pretty good for a couple weeks now after his start where it looked like he forgot what hockey even was. I just don’t see Strome as a top C and top PP guy on a contender.
No he isn’t. But all of a sudden you turn around and look at the goal and points that he is trending. Maybe he isn’t Panarin’s creation? Or is he Kreider s and Lafreniere’s creation? Still takes some dumb ass penalties , but is winning more face offs and there is a defensive improvement. On a reasonable deal, are we still going to wish him out of the lineup? Who out there is going to to do better right now?
 
Listen I am so glad he had a 3 point night against the Bruins. I hope there were 30 GMs watching that game thinking we gotta have this guy.
Are you still going to deny what he has been producing since he has been a Ranger? Are you still going to try to excuse it away as playing with Panarin?

What was trending for in his first year, long before Panarin came into the picture? What was he trending to last year with Panarin? What is he trending to this year, largely without Panarin?

Maybe for the price, and knowing his role , he is fine?
 
No he isn’t. But all of a sudden you turn around and look at the goal and points that he is trending. Maybe he isn’t Panarin’s creation? Or is he Kreider s and Lafreniere’s creation? Still takes some dumb ass penalties , but is winning more face offs and there is a defensive improvement. On a reasonable deal, are we still going to wish him out of the lineup? Who out there is going to to do better right now?
I know we're traditionally not used to players coming here and playing their best hockey, but Strome has been a terrific find. And while people seem to be more than happy to dismiss him, he is filling a role that this team really didn't have anyone else to fill. He has produced and even seems to have taken a leadership role. Or they could have kept Ryan Spooner.
 
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He played 10 less games than most of his teammates...
Even if we extrapolate his points outwards it isn't a mind blowing statline.



I've seen the highlights (Not the games obviously) and I get that he's performing adequately, but It's not like a Nils Lundkvist situation where he's clearly too good for the competition.
 
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I know we're traditionally not used to players coming here and playing their best hockey, but Strome has been a terrific find. And while people seem to be more than happy to dismiss him, he is filling a role that this team really didn't have anyone else to fill. He has produced and even seems to have taken a leadership role. Or they could have kept Ryan Spooner.
Not only that, but who else out there would have done as well and for the price ? Considering the alternatives, this is as bang for the buck as it gets.
 
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I know we're traditionally not used to players coming here and playing their best hockey, but Strome has been a terrific find. And while people seem to be more than happy to dismiss him, he is filling a role that this team really didn't have anyone else to fill. He has produced and even seems to have taken a leadership role. Or they could have kept Ryan Spooner.

Strome and Kreider have both owned up to the lackluster way they started the season and have really stepped up, both on the ice and in leadership capacity. You can't really praise either of them enough right now.
 
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I know we're traditionally not used to players coming here and playing their best hockey, but Strome has been a terrific find. And while people seem to be more than happy to dismiss him, he is filling a role that this team really didn't have anyone else to fill. He has produced and even seems to have taken a leadership role. Or they could have kept Ryan Spooner.
Also let’s forecast for a second. Let’s say Chytil comes back and is inserted into 2C
before long with Laf as the wing. Or let’s say they this is even the 3rd line. Right now, one could do FAR worse than having the middle two lines look like this:

Krieder-Strome- Blackwell
Lafrenière-Chytil-Kakko

Call them 2nd or third as you will. Don’t think it matters.
 
Even if we extrapolate his points outwards it isn't a mind blowing statline.



I've seen the highlights (Not the games obviously) and I get that he's performing adequately, but It's not like a Nils Lundkvist situation where he's clearly too good for the competition.
I just think its a little hard to just look at his points or even his ppg as @Tawnos pointed out and see the whole picture. Traktor is just not a good offensive team. They had no ppg players. They lacked talent. I think what we saw in highlights and heard from our posters who have been watching him is that his all around game is much improved and there were multiple occasions where his teammates could not finish a nice setup he created.
 
No he isn’t. But all of a sudden you turn around and look at the goal and points that he is trending. Maybe he isn’t Panarin’s creation? Or is he Kreider s and Lafreniere’s creation? Still takes some dumb ass penalties , but is winning more face offs and there is a defensive improvement. On a reasonable deal, are we still going to wish him out of the lineup? Who out there is going to to do better right now?
Strome frustrates me bc he can be lazy defensively and he makes some boneheaded plays offensively (turnovers and passing when he should shoot) but there’s really no argument that he’s been very good for the majority of his time here.
 
I just think its a little hard to just look at his points or even his ppg as @Tawnos pointed out and see the whole picture. Traktor is just not a good offensive team. They had no ppg players. They lacked talent. I think what we saw in highlights and heard from our posters who have been watching him is that his all around game is much improved and there were multiple occasions where his teammates could not finish a nice setup he created.

I certainly believe his game has improved, but it's a bit of a stretch to be writing him into the NHL lineup in 2 weeks, especially with this team's logjam at wing and Quinn's reputation of playing established guys.

Seems more likely that he practices with the team and on the taxi squad, and MAYBE gets a shot if we have a COVID outbreak.
 
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Strome frustrates me bc he can be lazy defensively and he makes some boneheaded plays offensively
(turnovers and passing when he should shoot) but there’s really no argument that he’s been very good for the majority of his time here.

The weird thing about Strome is that he's really not that great defensively at 5v5, but he's actually our best PKer at F (followed by Buch of all people)
 
Also let’s forecast for a second. Let’s say Chytil comes back and is inserted into 2C
before long with Laf as the wing. Or let’s say they this is even the 3rd line. Right now, one could do FAR worse than having the middle two lines look like this:

Krieder-Strome- Blackwell
Lafrenière-Chytil-Kakko

Call them 2nd or third as you will. Don’t think it matters.
Well that's another thing: there's really nobody that Strome is blocking right now. There's no young guy that isn't getting ice time because of him.
 
Ryan Strome has been good for a majority of the season. I don't see what's so unbelievable about that. Not saying he'll sustain it or anything but I'm not going to discredit a guy playing well.
Ryan Strome has been good since he got here for Ryan Spooner.

Sometimes he over slotted imo. I do not like his position on the PP
 
Oh here we go, here’s a chart that definitely will show he has not been terrible! The Strome defenders disappeared for awhile but now that he has put 1 very good game and 2 decent games together, out of 18 no less, they are back out in full force. He has always been a terrible defensive player, its okay they say! What a piss poor excuse. He is dogshit on faceoffs, but its okay! He fumbles pucks and turns them over in the offensive zone but its okay! Here is a chart that clearly tells the story!

Listen I am so glad he had a 3 point night against the Bruins. I hope there were 30 GMs watching that game thinking we gotta have this guy.
Zibanejad is terrible defensively at ES too, can't win faceoffs and fumbles pucks in the offensive zone and turns them over a lot this year. So what makes him any better besides shooting one timers on the PP?
 
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The entire debate on Strome here has been a microcosm of what people have been rightfully calling the issue on everything

I’m not sure I’m sold on Strome for a long term deal.....a 5 year deal kinda worries me

OH NOW HE SUCKS?? MAYBE HES CARRYING PANARIN

but I do like him at a 2 year deal and it’s really perfect for both sides

HEREEEEE COME THE STROME SJWS ALWAYS WITH THE CHARTS
 
Ryan Strome has been good since he got here for Ryan Spooner.

Sometimes he over slotted imo. I do not like his position on the PP
Yeah I mean like, I'm not saying he's been some gamechanger but I don't know how people think he's still been absolutely awful. Doesn't win faceoffs lmao, neither does any other center on the team besides f***ing Howden. Not good defensively, well none of their centers really excel defensively at ES anyway and he's been way more impactful offensively then our other C's this season besides Chytil who has hardly played.
 
The entire debate on Strome here has been a microcosm of what people have been rightfully calling the issue on everything

I’m not sure I’m sold on Strome for a long term deal.....a 5 year deal kinda worries me

OH NOW HE SUCKS?? MAYBE HES CARRYING PANARIN

but I do like him at a 2 year deal and it’s really perfect for both sides

HEREEEEE COME THE STROME SJWS ALWAYS WITH THE CHARTS
If you kept up with my posts in particular at all last season, you'd see that I didn't even like Ryan Strome and thought he was being completely carried. But I think it's fair to say he's been doing something right this season. 2 year deal is definitely fine.
 
Zibanejad is terrible defensively at ES too, can't win faceoffs and fumbles pucks in the offensive zone and turns them over a lot this year. So what makes him any better besides shooting one timers on the PP?
Cmon man, please dont compare Ryan Strome to Mika Zibanejad.

Zibanejad is absolutely a more responsible defensive player. 1000%. He backchecks harder, uses his reach, and makes way less careless decisions with the puck at both ends of the ice.

Zibanejad is also 49.6 % on the faceoff dot for his career (and that was higher before this year). Strome on the other hand is a career 45.8%. That is a significant difference.

If you cant see that there is a wide gap, essentially an ocean, between these two players then man ....all I can say is the Strome Defenders will jump through hoops for this guy, its astounding.

Again, 2 decent** games and one great game and the Strome Defenders are back out in full force.

Every game I hope this guy scores... just so we can trade him for something valuable.
 
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