Speculation: Roster Building Thread LXXX: MOAR sandpaper, guts & glory?

[wafflepadsave]

Debatable. I might sacrifice the wife for McDavid, the dogs are too cute so they stay. Unborn kids are 50/50

So the wife really could go on waivers at any time?

 

[wafflepadsave]

I think this is correct. Kreider seems like a legitimately good person, and I bet he really didn’t like being painted as a villain early in his career.

I’ve seen him lay off on so many opportunities to really physically damage someone in a legal way and he never follows thru. These plays always lead me to think that he’s laying off on purpose so as to not feed into that reputation.

Will be interesting to see him address this when his career is over.

Agreed, but taking it a step further, he got penalized early on with some questionable calls and he’s been a target for the refs ever since. Someone needs to teach him to be a bit more subtle to disguise his his approach when hitting someone.

 

[wafflepadsave]

Ok. You think Chris is a 40 point player for at least the next few years a I think he's a 35 point player for at least the next few years. You think he's about a mill overpaid and I think hes about 2 mill overpaid. Both agree its too long. Gotcha.

I just hope gorton doesn’t immediately hang up if a team asks about Kreider’s availability at the deadline.

 

[wafflepadsave]

It almost sounds like you're describing the youngest team in the league coming out of a 3-year rebuild with huge veteran turnover and a bunch of new rookie or 2nd year teammates trying to find their identity...

My sarcasm is for 2 reasons - 1) because you're definitely right and 2) so am I...we (as a fan base) are entitled to frustration, but I think we also need to be more patient and let the process work. The "rebuild" isn't over yet. Maybe phase 1 of trimming the fat and injecting draft picks/prospects into the system is over. But now we have to let these kids learn and grow now. And growing pains are a real thing, as we're experiencing first-hand right now. But the overall level of play this season has been encouraging and the top young talented guys seem to be finding their games.

Yes, we lost the last 2 games. But we also gave highly competitive, hard-fought efforts against a perennial Cup contender. We arguably could/should have even won 1 of them if it hadn't been for stellar goaltending. From a rebuilding perspective, that's a win in my book.

I agree. I just wanted Kreider and and others to step up their physicality because the other team wanted to destroy us.

 

[True Blue]

I just hope gorton doesn’t immediately hang up if a team asks about Kreider’s availability at the deadline.

Gorton isn’t looking to trade Kreider

 

[gravey9]

It almost sounds like you're describing the youngest team in the league coming out of a 3-year rebuild with huge veteran turnover and a bunch of new rookie or 2nd year teammates trying to find their identity...

My sarcasm is for 2 reasons - 1) because you're definitely right and 2) so am I...we (as a fan base) are entitled to frustration, but I think we also need to be more patient and let the process work. The "rebuild" isn't over yet. Maybe phase 1 of trimming the fat and injecting draft picks/prospects into the system is over. But now we have to let these kids learn and grow now. And growing pains are a real thing, as we're experiencing first-hand right now. But the overall level of play this season has been encouraging and the top young talented guys seem to be finding their games.

Yes, we lost the last 2 games. But we also gave highly competitive, hard-fought efforts against a perennial Cup contender. We arguably could/should have even won 1 of them if it hadn't been for stellar goaltending. From a rebuilding perspective, that's a win in my book.

I agree with everything you said. The leader has not yet emerged from this group. I am not at all frustrated with the development of the kids. Maybe a little frustrated with Gauthier's deployment. And Howden is driving me nuts. But other than that, can't really complain. I don't really care about point totals.

My frustration lies with the vets. I don't even care if they're not scoring game in and game out. I just want them to work as hard as Kakko, Rooney and Lemieux. I want them to show their leadership thru their work ethic ON THE ICE. Those guys aren't playing with enough jam or guts in the O zone to allow the team to establish a singular identity. They shy away from the middle of the ice. They slow down when they should be going North. And it's the entire KZB line. It's Mr Fly-By aka Ryan Air. It's Panarin and Trouba turning pucks over in high danger spots and leaving teammates vulnerable. We want this young team to play the right way, we need buy in from the vets. That's my only real issue with this team right now. I hold Quinn responsible for this as well. 24 and unders he's been pretty great with overall. It's anyone 25 or over he's been a real mixed bag. The leash is too long. He needs to start Tortsing his vets.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

Is this the thread for line combos as well?

What does everyone think of putting Kreider on the third line, putting Panarin on the first line, and keeping Laf-Strome-Kakko next game? I thought they looked good in that first period before a defensive juggernaut shut down the entire team.

 

[Cmox]

Is this the thread for line combos as well?

What does everyone think of putting Kreider on the third line, putting Panarin on the first line, and keeping Laf-Strome-Kakko next game? I thought they looked good in that first period before a defensive juggernaut shut down the entire team.

I like this but I think I’d move Rooney to center laf and Kakko. Just to see, if not use Strome.

 

[Anthony5967]

Gorton isn’t looking to trade Kreider

Or maybe no team in the entire league would take that guy and his salary. Gorton can enjoy him and his 45 points a year.

 

[Vitto79]

Brooks w a DeAngelo read

hopefully Staal vouches for him in Detroit

 

[xbure9x]

So the wife really could go on waivers at any time?

if only we could do that. lol

 

[NYRKING30]

https://nypost.com/2021/02/13/ex-rangers-player-tony-deangelo-bares-soul-in-interview/

lots of interesting stuff in here and interesting to hear about Staal’s thoughts on the situation.

 

[Irishguy42]

Usual damage-control PR BS article, tbh

100% fluff, no actual content

 

[Fitzy]

Credit to Staal for his thoughts, both to learn more about the situation and also because hopefully this boosts trade interest in ADA

 

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https://nypost.com/2021/02/13/ex-rangers-player-tony-deangelo-bares-soul-in-interview/

lots of interesting stuff in here and interesting to hear about Staal’s thoughts on the situation.

All things considered, good job by Tony here. Definitely won't hurt his (or our) cause.

 

[pld459666]

Fake it until you make it, build your team up to someday get there or improve. Telling them they are young, aren't men / tough publicly isn't the way I would manage.

To say thats not the way you would do it is fair.

But I don't think teenagers and guys barely old enough to legally drink would or do take any offense to it.

I just see this as another reach of a reason to want Quinn gone

 

[kovazub94]

Usual damage-control PR BS article, tbh

100% fluff, no actual content

Like actual content on Twitter?

My hat’s off to Brooksie that in this day and age he had a courage to put this article in support of ADA, damage control or not.

 

[NYRKING30]

I just hope other teams management may happen to catch the article and see what his former partner/teammate as well as ordinary people have said and decide it’s worth someone giving a chance.

 

[Fitzy]

Alright, here are my big brain trade proposals for today.

Buchnevich+ Strome + 2022 1st + Kravtsov+ Robertson/Jones for Jack Eichel

Mika Zibanejad to Vegas for one of JAM or Karlsson+ Peyton Krebs

DeAngelo to LAK for Grundstrom

Panarin-Eichel-Kakko
Lafreniere-Chytil-Gauthier
Kreider-Karlsson-Grundstrom
Lemieux-Rooney-PDG

Krebs joins NYR next season

Scorch me

 

[True Blue]

Or maybe no team in the entire league would take that guy and his salary. Gorton can enjoy him and his 45 points a year.

You mean Gorton can enjoy a top line LW on a less than market rate contract? Why, yes he can

 

[DialUp]

The barking at the coaches thing is pretty big in Staal's comment. The "racist" stuff never really passed the sniff test (nor was there any evidence), but Staal mentioning that politics and whatever was injected into the locker, even if he downplayed it, was definitely one of the factors. Insubordination is what did him in, probably was about 75% that.

 

[Irishguy42]

Brooks carrying all of DeAngelo's water.

Impressive.

 

[gravey9]

Brooks article was really interesting, but if it is really just some inflammatory tweets and a post-game fight with Georgy, I can't see why he wouldn't be back on the team. The article makes it seem like Gorton is being somewhat unreasonable in his last straw thing. I personally have never had an issue with putting politics aside to root for Tony as a Ranger. And I would guess his teammates would feel the same. This still just feels like a part of a larger puzzle. Because if this is really all it is, one incident and some tweets -- it's an overreaction on NYR management's part. One poor asset management.

 

[DialUp]

Brooks article was really interesting, but if it is really just some inflammatory tweets and a post-game fight with Georgy, I can't see why he wouldn't be back on the team. The article makes it seem like Gorton is being somewhat unreasonable in his last straw thing. I personally have never had an issue with putting politics aside to root for Tony as a Ranger. And I would guess his teammates would feel the same. This still just feels like a part of a larger puzzle. Because if this is really all it is, one incident and some tweets -- it's an overreaction on NYR management's part. One poor asset management.

Because it wasn't just that. He was getting hot with the staff.

 

[Avery16]

Brooks dousing puckgate shouldn't shock anyone. Herman hasn't tweeted anything since Deangelo cleared waivers. He got burned.