Speculation: Roster Building Thread LXI - We are in The End Game now.

[GoAwayPanarin]

If people are bought out and one of them isn’t Tanner Staal the rangers have f***ed this up.

 

[Tawnos]

If people are bought out and one of them isn’t Tanner Staal the rangers have ****ed this up.

Whatever our opinions on who should or shouldn't be bought out, Staal isn't getting bought out. Get used to it now.

 

[BringBackLibertys]

If people are bought out and one of them isn’t Tanner Staal the rangers have ****ed this up.

I think you will be disappointed. Staal is their unnamed captain (for better or worse), so I think we are stuck with him.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I think you will be disappointed. Staal is their unnamed captain (for better or worse), so I think we are stuck with him.

And it means the FO still values the wrong things. Or the right things way too much.

If you’re trying to “compete” he will hurt you there.

 

[Tawnos]

And it means the FO still values the wrong things. Or the right things way too much.

If you’re trying to “compete” he will hurt you there.

They're not.

 

[NYR Viper]

Part of the reason I'd buyout Staal is because of his NMC.

 

[NernieBichols]

Y’all realize rangerland has created this reality where the rangers have to or will trade Kreider for a lame return bc of the cap.

Has it been mentioned once by the media (and I don’t mean brooks or whoever saying the ranger said won’t give Kreider or anyone else away for less than their value)

Same with the ‘self rental’ talk, if Kreider is unsigned by the trade deadline, he’s being traded.

And as for shattenkirk and the talk he brings more than staal? In what universe is this taking place? Shattenkirk needs playing time that younger guys it’s more important to develop in their roles need to get, while if staal isn’t here, it’s skjei and true freshmen. Shattenkirk is a headache at this point who’s knee may make this resurgence of value a lot of youse hoping for, impossible.

Buyout shattenkirk
Trade names, take back a league min contract or two that can be buried in Hartford with a minimal cap hit above the 925k threshold.
Smith in Hartford

 

[Tawnos]

Part of the reason I'd buyout Staal is because of his NMC.

Yeah. If the only factor under consideration is the cap, I would too for the same reason. You save a pretty good chunk of money buying out Staal and burying Smith and it isn't a huge number for next season.

For this front office, it's not the only consideration.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

They're not.

They aren’t?

I don’t think they signed Panarin with the thought of being just as bad as last year.

 

[NernieBichols]

The idea that shattenkirk will be a contributing member of the 20-21 team is beyond wishful thinking. Y’all been ranger fans for how long? Why is shattenkirk gonna be the exception.

Shattenkirk is already dead money and a most likely blocker for the 20-21 season.

Get the much needed 5mil in cap space

 

[Tawnos]

They aren’t?

I don’t think they signed Panarin with the thought of being just as bad as last year.

I don't believe the front office is concerned one way or the other about where they finish next season.

But if you believe next season was any part of why they signed Panarin, you really haven't been paying attention to the caution JD is trying to portray when it comes to expectations next year. He's been telling you not to expect this team to be competitive because it's a process. You should listen.

 

[Raspewtin]

I don't think the Rangers are "cup contenders" this year, or even close to it really, but I don't see why that doesn't mean we can't make obvious moves to improve the team (i.e. buying out Staal)

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I don't believe the front office is concerned one way or the other about where they finish next season.

But if you believe next season was any part of why they signed Panarin, you really haven't been paying attention to the caution JD is trying to portray when it comes to expectations next year. He's been telling you not to expect this team to be competitive because it's a process. You should listen.

Yeah it’s a process. Improving is part of it. If they’re just as bad as they were last year, this will be a “failed” season on many fronts.

Either way, even if we’re talking about development, staal hurts that. He makes his teammates worse.

 

[cd211]

Should just trade kreider and Strome and call it a day.. poolparty and a conditional 1st for kreider and Strome to whomever

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Should just trade kreider and Strome and call it a day.. poolparty and a conditional 1st for kreider and Strome to whomever

They shouldn’t trade kreider just to trade him

 

[Tawnos]

Yeah it’s a process. Improving is part of it. If they’re just as bad as they were last year, this will be a “failed” season on many fronts.

Either way, even if we’re talking about development, staal hurts that. He makes his teammates worse.

Staal might not help the team on the ice, but he doesn't hurt development. If young players required playing with good players constantly to develop, no one would ever develop on a rebuilding team. Your stance that poor play of one player on the ice hurts another players development isn't borne out by logic OR evidence.

This is a transition year. They finish where they finish. In other words, affecting the team's place in the standings for 19-20 isn't the driving force behind any of the decisions that they make, including who to acquire via trade or free agency, who to buy out, who to trade to become cap compliant.

 

[Waivers]

You hearing something? Is it official?

Nope, pure speculation on my behalf.

 

[Blueshirts777]

If kreider isn't here to start this season I think we will finish in the 7 to 10 range in terms of the draft.

If kreider is here is add 2 or 3 spots.

They were 6th last year before the lottery. With the additions they made this offseason and another year for the young kids, they should be alot better than a few more points.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Staal might not help the team on the ice, but he doesn't hurt development. If young players required playing with good players constantly to develop, no one would ever develop on a rebuilding team. Your stance that poor play of one player on the ice hurts another players development isn't borne out by logic OR evidence.

This is a transition year. They finish where they finish. In other words, affecting the team's place in the standings for 19-20 isn't the driving force behind any of the decisions that they make, including who to acquire via trade or free agency, who to buy out, who to trade to become cap compliant.

Players improve when they’re put in a position to succeed. You should know that mr. leader of the year.

Staal is a major roadblock in the way of that. It’s not just his partner (and We’ve already seen that play out with Pionk, who he did no favors) but everyone on the ice.

It’s really hard to improve when you’re hemmed in your own end for 60% of the game. That’s pretty logical.

 

[LORDE]

I think the way you have to look at self rental is you may lose CK 20 as a UFA but we just signed Panarin as a UFA. I prefer to get assets for him but in my mind if we go the self rental route we got Panarin to replace Kreider.

That’s one way to look at it... but it’s a fairly regretful way of doing so.

Kreider is our asset and completely unrelated to Panarin in any way at all. It would be like finding 20$ on the street, picking it up and then burning the 10$ U had in your pocket. U could look at that situation like “I made 10$ Today!” if u wanted to, but most folks would feel they now have 30$ In their pocket

 

[Levitate]

If we're "Horrendous" up the middle with a true 1C and three very promising young players entering their sophomore seasons then we really need to consider whether the rebuild has been useful at all.

Howden, Chytil, and Andersson isn't a weakness up the middle, it's a strength. There's no magic offseason where the kids are going to immediately go from being 'inexperienced' to being proven. I think we'll get very solid contributions from them this season. If one struggles, Strome/Namestnikov are very solid options at 3C. McKegg at 4C.

Really the only concern I have for the young center core is defensive responsibility. Like I alluded to before, mix the lines. Don't put three one-way guys on a line together. Panarin-Chytil-Buchnevich isn't something we should see.

most people have given up on Chytil and Andersson as centers for one reason or another. Personally I think that's getting ahead of ourselves and we're judging 19 year old kids who are adjusting to the NHL as well as the center position. I also thought Chytil looked better at center at the end of the year than he did at wing. Ultimately my opinion is that we need to let these kids have a chance at the spot and grow into it rather than declaring them a bust at center with barely a years experience under their belts. Lots of young centers aren't even in the NHL at this stage, they're learning things at a lower level. Give Chytil and Andersson some time to show whether they can handle it.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Also no one said that everyone has to play with good players to improve.

They just need to play with guys who aren’t sub NHL level at just about everything. We’re not talking about a guy who is just kind of bad re: staal. He’s one of the worst players in the league at any position and arguably the worst regular player.

 

[Mac n Gs]

I've come to terms that they're not buying out Staal, so it really leaves the next logical choice at buying out Smith. We already have an overflow of LD in the system, and it's the easiest position to fill if none of the prospects are fully ready this year- hell, I'd still want to bring back Freddy as the plug-and-play 3LD when we need him.

For Shattenkirk, the best option is to just play him since the evaluations about him from last season are pretty overblown, and I'd rather not give up the 2020 2nd to Carolina if they're playing Fox more than 30 games. I don't think it's stated enough just how unlucky Shattenkirk's on-ice results were last season. The powerplay's shooting percentage with Pionk compared to Shatty was something absurd like 21% to 8%. I'd still opt for Deangelo as the primary PPQB, but Shatty's bounce back simply requires just playing him.

 

[Levitate]

I don't believe the front office is concerned one way or the other about where they finish next season.

But if you believe next season was any part of why they signed Panarin, you really haven't been paying attention to the caution JD is trying to portray when it comes to expectations next year. He's been telling you not to expect this team to be competitive because it's a process. You should listen.

Yeah I don't reallllly know how good they'll be next year, a huge part could rest on how good rookies like Kravtsov and Kakko are, and whether Quinn can get the D in better shape than it was last season.
I think playoffs are unlikely but I could see the Rangers putting together some good runs before hitting some tough spots because of youth and inexperience, but hopefully set them up well for coming years.
And of course, how players like Chytil and Andersson progress in their roles with the Rangers. If Chytil could become even a mid 40 point 2nd line center this year with obvious upward trend that we can hope continue next year, that's good. If Andersson can come in and hold down a spot and show some of the fire, leadership, and ability that he has shown at other levels, that's a win. If DeAngelo can continue his play from last year, if Hajek or Rykov or someone can have a solid season and force Staal down or out of the lineup, if someone like Fox can come in and provide another boost...things could be on the right track
If I had to guess I'd say something like the 10-15 range next year (bottom 10-15 that is) but with promising signs and a team that might be ready to come together in 2020 and make a strong playoff push.

 

[Avery16]