Speculation: Roster Building Thread LXI - We are in The End Game now.

[Tawnos]

Its often said that the team that gets the best player in a trade wins the trade.

Only by people who either don’t understand or people who ignore any complexity.

I wouldn’t put much stock in the opinion of anyone who believes that.

 

[Savant]

They have 18m in cap space (after they demote 2 of their 9 D-men). Rantanen's situation doesn't prevent them from adding someone, like Kreider

Chronologically it does though.

 

[Calad]

A Shattenkirk buyout and a Belesky burial, with ADA and Lemmy taking their QOs gets you the deepest roster for this year.

You are going to hurt next year (the year where you want to take a step) by having $7.5M in deadspace.

What this will allow is for the Rangers to compete as much as they can this year (still don't expect the playoffs with a PK and Defensive team play where it was last year).

They can then sell-off Kreider, Fast, and Names at the deadline. Next year

You have $15M in space, with $7.5M in buyouts.

ADA, Georgie, Strome and Lemmy will need new contracts.

Hypothetically it's:

Ada: 4 x $4.7M
Lemmy: 2 x $2M
Georgie: 3 x $2.5M
Strome: 2 x $4M

That's $13.2M of that $15M that was available. Say the cap goes up by $2M.

So that's $4.2M left.

You will need 3 more NHL forwards with that $4.2M to replace Kreider, Names & Fast.

Okay- fine. Assume Kravstov takes a big step, and Kakko gets even better. You don't miss Chris, but you need bottom 6 depth.

$4.2M That's plenty right?

You sign two really good 4th line PK players. For that price.

But still no proven 2nd line center.

Barron & Miller turn pro and push for spots in the line up.

That scenario above doesn't say playoff team to me, the kids really have to take a step. And not just one. You will need 2 rookie/young defensemen to be good top 4 guys right away.

One of the kids has to work out as a top 6 center.

What you can bank on, is that between Bread and Zib you get 60 goals, and another 70 from Kakko, Kravstov and Buch.

One of Howden, Chytil and Lias has to become a 60 point center, and two rookie/young defensemen need to prove that they can be 22 minute a night defensemen.

That is what having $7.5M in dead space will do to you next year.

2 things:
We will have 11m in cap space to sign 2 forwards next year, so that's a load of bull.

Next years UFA crop blows

 

[Avery16]

I think (and I hope) the Rangers are not ready to buy out Shattenkirk as anything other than a path of last resort. But at least Brooks has taken a long hard look at the options to get cap compliant prior to this season after the Panarin signing. It seems that there arent any out there that won't hurt. It also seems that yes, we would be over a barrel to trade Krieder as a step to getting cap compliant. He's going to have to be a TDL move, or else we'll have to take pennies on the dollar for our highest value moveable asset. Our solution will have to come elsewhere.

 

[Avery16]

The point production the 7+ million in dead space on the books next season is going to make the last three seasons of Rick Nash look like a bargain contract.

 

[Stasis]

A Shattenkirk buyout and a Belesky burial, with ADA and Lemmy taking their QOs gets you the deepest roster for this year.

You are going to hurt next year (the year where you want to take a step) by having $7.5M in deadspace.

...

One of Howden, Chytil and Lias has to become a 60 point center, and two rookie/young defensemen need to prove that they can be 22 minute a night defensemen.

That is what having $7.5M in dead space will do to you next year.

Spot on.

The last sentence of your quote is what so many people don't realize. Here, but even more so in daily life in NYC.

Gonna be a rough year for the average NYC sports fan who dabbles in hockey cause everything else sucks. They've been seeing all we did and signed and this and that.

Cap crunch is gonna hurt one way or another. Either in aforementioned dead space or shitty trades. Likely a bit of both.

21-22 is where things get interesting unless we're pretty damn savvy and lucky.

 

[aufheben]

They didn't receive "Vancouver's 1st", they received either Vancouver's 2020 1st if the Canucks make the playoffs, or Vancouver's 2021 1st (which would be 9th overall assuming they make zero progress over the next two years).

 

[wolfgaze]

I wrote a comment on Brook’s twitter feed on today’s Shatty article that he once claimed that the Rangers will never trade Stepan.

He DM’d me. “No I didn’t say that but nice try.”

Back in 2007, Brooks wrote an article asserting that the Rangers could trade Prucha (who was coming off a 30 goal season and put up 22 goals that season) for Martin Rucinsky - whom the Rangers had walked away from the prior offseason and failed to re-sign... I was so annoyed at his insinuation that the Rangers were going to trade an asset in Prucha (whom I valued) for an older, past-his-prime player that our team had previously walked away from months earlier... It just seemed like the most assinine move to make... So I wrote Brooks a very critical email and I don't think I expected to receive a response, more like I needed to vent... However he actually emailed me back and I didn't have the guts to open it, LOL...

 

[pld459666]

They have 18m in cap space (after they demote 2 of their 9 D-men). Rantanen's situation doesn't prevent them from adding someone, like Kreider

If I'm Sakic, I still want my RFA situation settled before I add anyone else

 

[SA16]

Not a chance I would give Strome 2x4 did we not just learn our lesson from doing that with Names and Spooner?

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

If I'm Sakic, I still want my RFA situation settled before I add anyone else

Adding Kreider would leave them with over 13.5m in cap space to sign Rantanen. They could sign him to be the highest paid player (AAV) in the league and still have cap space

 

[RangerBoy]

Happy Buyout Window Open Day.

 

[SA16]

If I'm Sakic, I still want my RFA situation settled before I add anyone else

I do not think Sakic can let Rantanen hold the rest of his offseason hostage when he has more than enough space to sign Rantanen and make other moves.

 

[GAGLine]

Maybe I'm thinking about retained salary transactions, but isn't there also a limit on how many buy-outs a team can have on their cap at one time? We already have 2

Teams can't have more than 3 retained contracts at a time. We currently have none thanks to Vancouver buying out Spooner.

Teams can have any number of buyouts on the books, though there is a limit of 3 buyouts outside the regular period over the life of the CBA. The regular period is June 15th to 30th, so any buyouts we do between today and Wednesday will count toward that limit. We haven't used any of the 3 yet.

 

[Inferno]

Anthony DeAngelo is better than anything the Canucks gave up for it Miller.

And frankly I believe he's the best player in that entire deal.

 

[Good Intentions]

The failure of Brendan Smith makes you appreciate what Dan Girardi was able to do over the better part of 8+ seasons. The end was ugly (as it often is) but he was a warrior for us. The Smith acquisition was immediately billed as a Girardi-replacement. Entirely unworthy. Nothing personal, just truth. He got paid, got fat, and had a family. It happens.

The compensation in that trade is a bit overblown. Smith was never worth a high 2 and 3, but the 3rd round pick in 17 didn't turn into much. As 33, the Wings selected Berggren. Wonder if that would have been our selection too. We ended up taking Lindbom 6 slots later with our pick (which is an entirely different conversation).

I'm getting off track. Brendan Smith's departure is today.

 

[GAGLine]

I'm getting off track. Brendan Smith's departure is today.

Is he driving Shatty to the airport? If we buy out Smith, then we definitely will have to make another move to get cap compliant, either another buyout or a trade.

 

[Ola]

They didn't receive "Vancouver's 1st", they received either Vancouver's 2020 1st if the Canucks make the playoffs, or Vancouver's 2021 1st (which would be 9th overall assuming they make zero progress over the next two years).

I would love to have that pick.

 

[donpaulo]

I don't buy Brook's line of argument.
I understand why he is making it, after all he is in the business of selling papers...

At the risk of posting something that is already assumed I see a clear path to keeping things cap compliant and retaining just about everyone. I don't post here all that often, but I think we all know whose at risk of departing.

Brendan Smith is a pumpkin
Matt Beleskey is AHL bound
A forward, imho Strome but perhaps Namestnikov or Kreider or "fill in the blank" needs to move too.
My preference is Strome coming off a nice rebound from the frozen tundra of Alberta. He has the experience, can play center and is RFA which should be attractive enough for another NHL team to actually trade NY something it can use such as a pick. Obviously not a high end pick, but considering what Strome cost NY to acquire, a non 1st or 2nd pick is gravy as far as I am concerned.

This also opens up a slot up front for one of the kids.

I think its a win win

Hopefully something is brewing

anyway its been such an awesome offseason to be Rangers fan. I think we deserve it, I know I've been bleeding blue since 78-79 and this "problem" is a good one to be having

 

[RangerBoy]

Is he driving Shatty to the airport? If we buy out Smith, then we definitely will have to make another move to get cap compliant, either another buyout or a trade.

The Rangers have limited wiggle room with just a Shattenkirk buyout. 22 player roster. 13 forwards. 7 D. 2 goalkeepers. Less than $1M.

Panarin. Kreider. Chytil. Lemieux. Zibanejad. Strome. Andersson. Howden. Namestnikov. Buchnevich. Fast. Kravstov. Kakko. Staal. Skjei. Trouba. Hajek. Deangelo. Smith. Fox. Lundqvist. Georgiev.

If Kakko explodes by winning the Calder Trophy and hits a few other bonuses, the Rangers will have no choice but to carry those bonuses over to the 20-21 cap.

This what happens when drop $11.6M on Panarin and $8M on Trouba when you already have major commitments on the books.

The Rangers better hope and pray Panarin pans out and doesn’t become another Shattenkirk. The Panarin contract is buyout proof.

 

[Waivers]

Bye bye, Brendy!

 

[LiveLongandProspal]

Bye bye, Brendy!

You hearing something? Is it official?

 

[RGY]

The Rangers have limited wiggle room with just a Shattenkirk buyout. 22 player roster. 13 forwards. 7 D. 2 goalkeepers. Less than $1M.

Panarin. Kreider. Chytil. Lemieux. Zibanejad. Strome. Andersson. Howden. Namestnikov. Buchnevich. Fast. Kravstov. Kakko. Staal. Skjei. Trouba. Hajek. Deangelo. Smith. Fox. Lundqvist. Georgiev.

If Kakko explodes by winning the Calder Trophy and hits a few other bonuses, the Rangers will have no choice but to carry those bonuses over to the 20-21 cap.

This what happens when drop $11.6M on Panarin and $8M on Trouba when you already have major commitments on the books.

The Rangers better hope and pray Panarin pans out and doesn’t become another Shattenkirk. The Panarin contract is buyout proof.

I’d like to think of it as a calculated risk.

If Panarin pans out and Kakko does have that kind of season then I would venture to say we are likely a playoff team. And not a bubble team either that takes a wild card spot.

I dont see the reason to panic or be alarmed right now.

They buyout whomever then they explore the trade market to move Namestnikov. Get some more salary relief.

If they are out of the playoffs come the deadline then they should absolutely be selling Kreider. If they are in a wild card spot with teams close to bumping them out of that spot they should trade Kreider.

 

[LiveLongandProspal]

Keep Shattenkirk; buyout Smith; trade Namestnikov with a crappy draft pick; re-sign TDA and Lemieux


Voila. We're ready.

 

[Irishguy42]

It's just safe to assume Smith will be bought out, that's all.

Also, pretty sure the window doesn't open until 5pm today, going off Brooks' tweet when Buch signed.