Speculation: Roster Building Thread LXI - We are in The End Game now.

[egelband]

You'd still have to make a second move and Names I believe is the only buyout candidate with one year left. It could happen, in which case the other buyout will probably be Smith.

Could they buy out Strome?

 

[egelband]

Maybe I am overvaluing our young players but would hate to let go of a Howden/Hajek/Barron just to get rid of Shatty. I know we have a lot of Good young LHD but giving up Hajek so soon could be a mistake. Howden is a center we may need now and for the future and from what I hear about Barron from some posters who follow him he could be a real dark horse prospect (big centerman)

I totally agree. I would rather do buyouts than attach good assets to trade guys.

 

[FIRE DRURY]

Could they buy out Strome?

No longer an option.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I know if we got full or near full value for CK (plus saving cap money) it would be in the teams best interest to deal but part of me would love to see him on the team thie year playing with the likes of Panarin, Kakko, Kravtsov, Chytil etc

If you aren't going to extend him, you have to move him ASAP.

The last thing we want is for this team to be on the bubble come TDL. The temptation/Fan pressure to self rent him will be crazy.

 

[NernieBichols]

Buying out Shattenkirk is a one-year move that helps us today and hurts us every year after.

One good summer and they're right back to being the Rangers.

Every year after?? How many years is every year after?

He’s not gonna be contributing in 20-21 so it’s dead money as salary or as a buyout
And then 1.43 for 21-22 and 22-23.
With the number of elc players we should have coming aboard in those years that 1.43 is easily absorbed into a Elc player who’s outperforming the contract.

 

[egelband]

No longer an option.

Gotcha. Thank you. That's a shame. Any idea when we'll know about buyouts? Do they have to be on waivers at a certain time or can this all go right to the deadline?

 

[nyr2k2]

What a mentally exhausting conversation. I'm just glad that whatever happens, will likely happen soon.

 

[Tob]

 

[bl02]

If you aren't going to extend him, you have to move him ASAP.

The last thing we want is for this team to be on the bubble come TDL. The temptation/Fan pressure to self rent him will be crazy.

it's kinda working in reverse right now. It seems like teams knowing the situation we are in are not offering near full value for CK. We may actually get better value for him at the TDL albeit probably causing us to be out of a top 10 draft pick for our own pick. CK didn't get us a top 12/13 pick at the draft and I don't see him returning that right now as well.
I have no doubt JG is trying but teams are not offering a fair return for Kreider this offseason. I don't wan't a second rounder and a b level prospect for him

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

it's kinda working in reverse right now. It seems like teams knowing the situation we are in are not offering near full value for CK. We may actually get better value for him at the TDL albeit probably causing us to be out of a top 10 draft pick for our own pick. CK didn't get us a top 12/13 pick at the draft and I don't see him returning that right now as well.
I have no doubt JG is trying but teams are not offering a fair return for Kreider this offseason. I don't wan't a second rounder and a b level prospect for him

I think that all the hysteria around them being bent over a barrel will be dead once the buyouts happen.

They can easily get into a position where they really won't need to move him.

 

[bl02]

I think that all the hysteria around them being bent over a barrel will be dead once the buyouts happen.

They can easily get into a position where they really won't need to move him.

but i don't think we can afford to extend him either. Let's hope the smoke clears and somehow we have a little cap space again so we aren't forced to trade Kreider for a meager return. i mean if he takes a 6 million /5-6 year deal great but i see him asking for more of a Hayes deal.

 

[Ola]

This is just me openly speculating about things but I wonder what the offers for Kreider would be, if any, at the moment. This is obviously the point of the year where offers would be lowest given teams are capped out and have their rosters pretty much set but is it worth taking a lesser offer now than at the deadline to preserve a Shattenkirk buyout? The obvious con is the lesser return but if you’re that big of a believer in Shattenkirk; he can be a very tradeable asset if he has a nice bounce back season. 1 year left with essentially only $2 million in actual salary once his bonus is paid out. It’s a risk but maybe you recoup what you lost by dealing Kreider early and don’t have to deal with a substantial dead cap hit next year and the smaller ones the year beyond.

The thing is, the same argument for why Shatty should be moveable in 6 or 12 months can be made today. He is owed 10.6m over 2 years. A team trading for him at 50% would just have to pay him 2.8m per year for two years. They would get him for free. 2.8m is nothing. It’s not like GMs are blind, everyone can see that he produced fairly well at the end of last season.

Buying out Smith only isn’t a solution.

I don’t quite get the arguments against a Shatty buy-out. We need cap space more this season then next season. We are 4m over the cap with two good RFAs to resign. TDA is a very good young player.

From my POV:
*We need the Shatty 5.1m buy-out money and then some.

*Its perfect that a buy-out of Shatty is front-loaded. We need more cap space this season than next when Strome, Names and part of Gs cap space comes off the books. Who knows what happens with Hank.

 

[Alluckks]

Someone email Gorton and tell him he is being pretty freakin’ rude

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

but i don't think we can afford to extend him either. Let's hope the smoke clears and somehow we have a little cap space again so we aren't forced to trade Kreider for a meager return. i mean if he takes a 6 million /5-6 year deal great but i see him asking for more of a Hayes deal.

I don't think the Rangers extending him or not really has a huge effect on his value.

It depends more on how many teams want to add him than anything else. If theres a strong market (and we really have no reason to think otherwise), the return will reflect that.

 

[alkurtz]

Well that didn't translate. The guy is softer than angel's wings.

Leadership comes in many forms. Often, the strong silent type is more of a leader than the vocal, emotional type. In hockey, leadership often manifests itself, not on the ice, but in the locker room, at practice, on the plane or at the hotel. From what I can tell, few players are more respected than Staal. Listen, we all know his skills have eroded enormously. In fact, perhaps the only reason he is still here is because of his leadership, example, and mentoring. One day soon, he will be gone. I’m glad he is still here.

 

[Ola]

Could be talks going on, could be hopes that talks will go on. No harm in waiting right if Shatty is who they decided to buy out?

Most likely outcome is Shatty gets bought out tomorrow. Actually, does he have to? Is a Kreider / Buch trade alone enough? Or would it have to be one of the two + Names traded too or + Shatty buyout?

Agreed, I was just thinking, if talks on potential trades to get us out of cap trouble were completely dead I think Gorts would file for the buy-out(/-s) immediately. Like Anaheim with Perry for example. It seems like we still have hopes for something, and I can’t believe Gorts would wait just for a call out of nowhere. Don’t think that is how the GMs do business, it’s usually longer processes.

 

[HockeyBasedNYC]

Shattenkirk's 1.43M dead space in years 3+4 is more attractive than a Staal/Smith buyout package resulting in 2.345 in years 3+4, but you are talking about less than a million with the cap expected to go up. Every bit counts but 900K wont mean as much.

Smith alone saves 1.2 in year 2 and is 1.145 in dead cap years 3+4.

Staal, Shattenkirk & Hank off the books in summer of 21 clears over 20M - if none of them are bought out. I think that is key they get there with Buch, Chytil, Hajek, Andersson, Shesterkin, Rykov & Howden up for RFA (who knows if theyll all be around) and Kakko, Fox and Kravstov the following summer. Oh and Zibanejad will be UFA as well unless he is resigned. Gonna need every penny.

I think if you can find a way to buyout Smith alone and make a move thats the best scenario. But that wont be easy!

 

[Fitzy]

Shattenkirk's 1.43M dead space in years 3+4 is more attractive than a Staal/Smith buyout package resulting in 2.345 in years 3+4, but you are talking about less than a million with the cap expected to go up. Every bit counts but 900K wont mean as much.

Smith alone saves 1.2 in year 2 and is 1.145 in dead cap years 3+4.

Staal, Shattenkirk & Hank off the books in summer of 21 clears over 20M - if none of them are bought out. I think that is key they get there with Buch, Chytil, Hajek, Andersson, Shesterkin, Rykov & Howden up for RFA (who knows if theyll all be around) and Kakko, Fox and Kravstov the following summer. Oh and Zibanejad will be UFA as well unless he is resigned. Gonna need every penny.

I think if you can find a way to buyout Smith alone and make a move thats the best scenario. But that wont be easy!

I don't think it would be too hard to buy out Smith and make the roster work with extensions.

You just have to make sure that you trade one of the following packages and replace them with small contracts

Kreider+Namestnikov

or

Namestnikov+Strome

or

Kreider+Strome

Fill the bottom 6 with guys like Nieves, Beleskey, or McKegg, and you should be well beneath the cap.

 

[Tob]

It's til like 5ET Wednesday right?

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

How many barnyard animals do I have to kill to get Tanner Staal bought out?

I'm prepared to shell out for a rocket launcher to take out an entire farm or 5.

 

[True Blue]

After the buyout. I'm not sure the former won't or couldn't happen but wouldn't it be smarter for them to wit to see if he is bought out first?

Oh, agreed. I actually think that no team had any interest in trading for him, even with 50% retention.

 

[Tawnos]

Shattenkirk's 1.43M dead space in years 3+4 is more attractive than a Staal/Smith buyout package resulting in 2.345 in years 3+4, but you are talking about less than a million with the cap expected to go up. Every bit counts but 900K wont mean as much.

Smith alone saves 1.2 in year 2 and is 1.145 in dead cap years 3+4.

Staal, Shattenkirk & Hank off the books in summer of 21 clears over 20M - if none of them are bought out. I think that is key they get there with Buch, Chytil, Hajek, Andersson, Shesterkin, Rykov & Howden up for RFA (who knows if theyll all be around) and Kakko, Fox and Kravstov the following summer. Oh and Zibanejad will be UFA as well unless he is resigned. Gonna need every penny.

I think if you can find a way to buyout Smith alone and make a move thats the best scenario. But that wont be easy!

You know, I don't actually care if we get good value for Namestnikov... my preferred path would be to buy out Smith and dump Names for this same reason.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

You know, I don't actually care if we get good value for Namestnikov... my preferred path would be to buy out Smith and dump Names for this same reason.

Value = cap relief.

 

[mas0764]

Buyout window comes and goes, no buyout occurs, everyone freaks out, and then at some later date, Gorton shocks and surprises us by trading Kreider and Namestnikov for a future 1c who is not in the league currently.

Game, set, match.

 

[LiveLongandProspal]