GDT: Devils @ Hockey Club - 9:00 PM - MSG

[NJDevs26]

Nemec has the same PPG in the A as Casey in twelve more games, while getting more of a defensive load as well

I dont pretend to watch the AHL but from those who do, even outside the Devils fandom, have said he has certainly bounced back

Meanwhile Casey started the AHL season with 9 points in 7 consecutive games; thereafter he has 6 points in 15 games. Id also quantify that as a stumbling for a player whos biggest gift is his offensive play

Whatever he's done there, hasn't translated here when we've seen him even going back to late last season...maybe he lost his confidence a bit after the benching. So either they're playing a different system or he's getting the yips or he's stuck being a quadruple A player - i.e. too good for the minors, not good enough for the big show

 

[Edmonton East]

Pretty much a must win, especially considering schedule into the deadline. Idk why or how so many people are convinced they 100% make the playoffs. They've been playing at a 75 point pace since Christmas. And they already don't have their 1st rounder.

 

[Simon Nemec]

Whatever he's done there, hasn't translated here when we've seen him even going back to late last season...maybe he lost his confidence a bit after the benching. So either they're playing a different system or he's getting the yips or he's stuck being a quadruple A player - i.e. too good for the minors, not good enough for the big show

Its probably somewhere in the middle, right?

He had a bad injury and the AHL team was dreadful to start, something like 0-13. He gets healthy as the team finds itself a bit, and he gets going more

The jump back to the NHL was probably hard for him considering he has to learn an entirely new system under a new coach; and one that expects consistency and an actual sticking to said system (not hating on Ruff, he was great in other areas). That is tough for anyone coming in, let alone a 20 year old coming off an injury at the time

Im not trying to claim Nemec has been good up in the bigs; but its beginning to feel like some fans have completely turned on Nemec

..and Id be lying if I didnt think its due to a level of impatience with the current team's success and the possibility of what we could get for him. That, moreso than what Simon has actually done in the A this year

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

Assuming you know better than the coaches - and a lot of other fans who also see that Casey has some work to do - isn't quite the winning argument you think it is.

I'm not assuming I always know better than our coaches/management.

But yes, sometimes my judgment has been very clearly better than that of the professionals.

Appealing to authority is the surest way to lose credibility. Make a compelling argument about their on ice play.

It's not like when PDB was benching Larsson for Harrold (which in hindsight wasn't the hideous decision most of us thought it was when we pictured Larsson's higher upside) because Harrold was more the veteran D, or when Tedenby was benched for low-upside vet forwards - they're both young guys and he's trying both hoping one figures this **** out before the deadline.

It's exactly like that for me. Benching better players to play worse players is always the wrong decision for teams trying to win hockey games.

Nemec has the same PPG in the A as Casey in twelve more games, while getting more of a defensive load as well

I dont pretend to watch the AHL but from those who do, even outside the Devils fandom, have said he has certainly bounced back

Meanwhile Casey started the AHL season with 9 points in 7 consecutive games; thereafter he has 6 points in 15 games. Id also quantify that as a stumbling for a player whos biggest gift is his offensive play

Stat watching is useless for defenseman. Nemec did start playing better after he stopped sulking, and once Casey went down with injury he started producing on the PP. But his defensive game has been horrendous compared to Casey's.

 

[Simon Nemec]

I'm not assuming I always know better than our coaches/management.

But yes, sometimes my judgment has been very clearly better than that of the professionals.

Appealing to authority is the surest way to lose credibility. Make a compelling argument about their on ice play.

It's exactly like that for me. Benching better players to play worse players is always the wrong decision for teams trying to win hockey games.

Stat watching is useless for defenseman. Nemec did start playing better after he stopped sulking, and once Casey went down with injury he started producing on the PP. But his defensive game has been horrendous compared to Casey's.

Its not just stat watching; its watching highlights and reading articles and comments from those who frequent these prospects' games

And again, the sulking comment.. thats twice today Ive read that. I dont get it at all nor do I think its anything thats actually happened. The misinformation on Simon personally (not just you) is beginning to creep into weird territory

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

Its not just stat watching; its watching highlights and reading articles and comments from those who frequent these prospects' games

And again, the sulking comment.. thats twice today Ive read that. I dont get it at all nor do I think its anything thats actually happened. The misinformation on Simon is beginning to creep into weird territory

You could see it in his on ice body language. It was plain as day.

Let's just simplify it and call it "the appearance of sulking".

 

[Simon Nemec]

You could see it in his on ice body language. It was plain as day.

A player being down about his play is one thing, hes freaking 20-21 years old lol; but claiming they are 'sulking' or having a bad attitude (which im almost positive stems from that interview that was 100% spun into something it wasnt around the league) is just casting a bad light on someone that isnt necessary nor accurate based on anything weve heard

Sure, its very possible Simon has a bad attitude and turns out a bust because he cant stop getting in his own way. Im not pretending that isnt a possibility. But to act as if its certain or even implied (that hes sulking) is unfair to him

 

[Simon Nemec]

I can remember Jack playing multiple stretches of games when he was younger where his body language read 'sulking' or being down on himself; but everyone knew he had an exuberant confidence, and so we assumed hed get through it

Simon is a central/eastern European who is likely going through the same mental battles; difference being we dont know a ton about him personally because of less coverage and him simply being a quieter young man. I emphasize central/eastern European because we commonly see players from there who are more reserved (than Americans, but who isnt really lmfao)

Again, I dont ascribe to knowing Simon personally. But it feels like others are a bit and its unfortunate.

Holtz had a bit of a problem but that was also documented in his prospect profile, from what I remember. I dont believe Simon was labeled the same

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

A player being down about his play is one thing, hes freaking 20-21 years old lol; but claiming they are 'sulking' or having a bad attitude (which im almost positive stems from that interview that was 100% spun into something it wasnt around the league) is just casting a bad light on someone that isnt necessary nor accurate based on anything weve heard

Sure, its very possible Simon has a bad attitude and turns out a bust because he cant stop getting in his own way. Im not pretending that isnt a possibility. But to act as if its certain or even implied (that hes sulking) is unfair to him

This way talked about this well before the interview.

 

[Simon Nemec]

This way talked about this well before the interview.

Can I be directed to where? Not doubting you but I have not seen it

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

Can I be directed to where? Not doubting you but I have not seen it

Check the AHL thread, it's discussed there. I'd give more direction but am on mobile at my daughter's game.

 

[Simon Nemec]

Check the AHL thread, it's discussed there. I'd give more direction but am on mobile at my daughter's game.

Ill have to take a peek and see whats there. Good luck to your daughter though! Two wins today for you thatll be

 

[NJDevs26]

Yeah I'm not making the leap that Nemec is a malcontent just based on not liking the fact he was playing in the AHL this year and some supposedly vague pre-draft reports, but if he IS that then you'd better move him this deadline before his value craters because the light doesn't come on for those guys at least until after they've moved on once.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

Ill have to take a peek and see whats there. Good luck to your daughter though! Two wins today for you thatll be

Thanks man - here's a post I found during intermission:

Post in thread '2024-25 Utica Comets and ECHL thread'

Dec 5, 2024

Without watching or knowing what his microstats are, I really can't say (and most of us can't) how Nemec is doing down there.

Not sure how much Kristi watches Utica. If she just catches bits and pieces of games then yea that's a harsh assertion. But again, no idea how much she watches.

Looking at his stats he has 3 points in 10 games and is a +2. So doesn't seem bad without any context of course.

I hope you are not posting his stats as a sign of good work of good work.

Casey has played 15 games. He has 15 points and is also a +2. Casey takes care of business in both ends. He...

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[Simon Nemec]

Yeah I'm not making the leap that Nemec is a malcontent just based on not liking the fact he was playing in the AHL this year and some supposedly vague pre-draft reports, but if he IS that then you'd better move him this deadline before his value craters because the light doesn't come on for those guys at least until after they've moved on once.

For my 300th post!! (jeez, somebody shut this guy up)

If it is true about Simon then I agree, he should be moved on from. Though there is something to be said about rehabilitating a players' mentality and what that can bring in spades to the team who does.

Im rooting for Simon and I hope he does well; but at the end of the day Im a Devils fan first.. and so whatever is best for the club is what I support (even if I may use some choice words when trades like that happen lmfao)

 

[Zajacs Bowl Cut]

 

[longislanddevil]

Nico Daws in goal tonight.

 

[Bleedred]

Nico Daws in goal tonight.

I expected it to be Daws, for two reasons.

First of all it's a back to back and second Allen having to leave the game because of cramping yet again. I figured if it wasn't Daws it would be Markstrom.

Allen did shut them out back in the second week of the season though. That was honestly a very impressive game on our part. I miss the days where we saw games like that and literally all of them in the month of December,

As well as being able to beat teams like Florida and LA to snap their 6-7 game winning streaks.

 

[Bleedred]

This team has sucked the enthusiasm out of me. It sucks going into a game against some shit team who we're probably favored to beat or at least should be beating and it being a better than decent chance we lose.

And then going into a game against a good team it feels like we have very little chance at all to win anymore.

For the first couple months of the season I couldn't really get into other games that weren't the Devils. I hardly watched any at all. I figured I would get back into it.

And then I started getting the urge to watch non-Devils games, but they mostly give me anxiety or make me fad. And other than four nations, Ive not really watched many non-Devils games this season.

I wanted to watch the Leafs-Rangers game last night, but then I lost enough interest to turn it on when the time came.

This team has sucked the passion out of me the last two months. It's a wonder I watch all of their games, but I have been turning off more games early this year than ever before.

 

[njdevils1982]

COYUTAH!

 

[Bleedred]

I want this

This

And that

And then send everyone out of the Utah basketball arena sad.

 

[NjDevsRR]

The Utah/Coyote hate on here has always been utterly bizarre to me. They were a struggling franchise with a small fanbase, a fanbase which went through a lot and got their team taken away.

I feel bad for them, not sure how one can hate.

 

[Whaddagoal]

I opened up this page and my battery is at 56%.

MUST BE A HAULA SIGN OF GOOD FORTUNE

Let's go Devils!!

 

[JK3]

This team has sucked the enthusiasm out of me. It sucks going into a game against some shit team who we're probably favored to beat or at least should be beating and it being a better than decent chance we lose.

And then going into a game against a good team it feels like we have very little chance at all to win anymore.

For the first couple months of the season I couldn't really get into other games that weren't the Devils. I hardly watched any at all. I figured I would get back into it.

And then I started getting the urge to watch non-Devils games, but they mostly give me anxiety or make me fad. And other than four nations, Ive not really watched many non-Devils games this season.

I wanted to watch the Leafs-Rangers game last night, but then I lost enough interest to turn it on when the time came.

This team has sucked the passion out of me the last two months. It's a wonder I watch all of their games, but I have been turning off more games early this year than ever before.

New avvy haha.

 

[Satans Hockey]

The Utah/Coyote hate on here has always been utterly bizarre to me. They were a struggling franchise with a small fanbase, a fanbase which went through a lot and got their team taken away.

I feel bad for them, not sure how one can hate.

I find all the hate weird too. I honestly don't give two shits about them any way you slice it and don't understand why any Devils fan would either.