Speculation: Roster Building Thread LXI - We are in The End Game now.

[Bob Richards]

I guess Minny fired Fenton.

The Zuccarello lizard quote was the final straw

 

[NYR Viper]

We can put Smith on waivers tomorrow, so it's not really an issue today.

Wait is this true? I thought they had to complete the buyout by tomorrow at 5pm and therefore they needed to give the player the option of waivers 24 hours in advance, so noon today

 

[BringBackLibertys]

No one can answer this. It’s pointless to discuss.

And if this is the case, Staal can retire and we can hire him as a professional friend to young people.

Problem is young players look up to older players that are in the game differently then retired guys. Also, players still in the game are in the weight room with them, in the locker room with them, in their ear all the time. The professional friend would not be.

 

[Tawnos]

I'm just trying to maybe see what Coach Quinn and the FO is seeing and maybe we aren't I think we can all agree that Staal is probably our worst dman (With Shatty not far behind). If they decide to buy out one over the other I trust they will be buying out the right one.

The problem is that we don't ever get to see the things Staal is being kept around for, so it's mostly impossible for us to truly know. We have to take their word and the word of the people who cover the team (whether journalists or broadcasters).

 

[Bob Richards]

I guess Minny fired Fenton.

The Zuccarello lizard quote was the final straw

 

[NYR Viper]

I wonder how many teams think they have Gorton over a barrel, specifically with Shattenkirk. I also wonder how many teams would be interested in him if he was bought out. My guess? Quite a few.

 

[Tawnos]

No one can answer this. It’s pointless to discuss.

And if this is the case, Staal can retire and we can hire him as a professional friend to young people.

For what feels like the millionth time discussing this with the anti-Staal partisans around here: you cannot be effective doing this kind of thing if you aren't in the trenches with the people you're trying to influence.

 

[Ghost of jas]

Oh please, spare us this garbage

And imagine thinking that playing with DeAngelo makes Staal a worse player lol

I’m pretty sure the numbers showed that Staal benefitted from having DeAngelo as his partner.

 

[bl02]

How do we know that Staal is a good mentor? Because people say he is? People also say he's a good penalty killer. He's not. I've asked this before but which defenseman has Staal "mentored" into becoming a great defenseman? The only 1st pairing D we've developed in his time has been McDonagh who was a 12th overall pick. Why wasn't he able to mentor anyone else into quality players?

In fairness (just off the top of my head) there hasn't been much drafted defensive talent to mentor lol.

 

[eco's bones]

We're in the business of getting good players not getting nice guys.

If we're talking about any of Staal, Shattenkirk and Smith---not one of them are nearly worth what their cap hits are. They're all in the way of our team becoming a contender again. They're not all going to go out at the same time or in the same way though. To me Shatty is the oddest duck right now--and dumping his contract is the easiest and quickest way for us to get on the right side of our cap issues.

As far as actual trade value goes I don't think any of them really have much at all.

 

[Raspewtin]

Yeah that’s what will happen to the advanced stats when bc of a lack of lefties and skjei stinking up the joint for large portions of the season, staal is out there with pionk or Ada against NHL top lines. Duhh.
Staal is so much better than given credit for. It’s such a joke. One of the top 15 rangers dman careers of all time and you got guys on the internet who have never played at any level smearing him SMH

 

[Fitzy]

I can also see Shattenkirk dropping 45 points in a Devils jersey this season, not something I could say for B. Smith.

 

[Doctyl]

Staal is a hockey player, not a guidance counselor

 

[Mac n Gs]

Wait is this true? I thought they had to complete the buyout by tomorrow at 5pm and therefore they needed to give the player the option of waivers 24 hours in advance, so noon today

Yes. Apparently the deadline is simply to file the buyout paperwork, and the player does not actually have to clear waivers before the deadline.

Edit: Stephen Weiss info may be incorrect. Let me doublecheck.

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

Welp, I guess Minnesota is out as a potential trading partner now. Can't see them doing anything significant without a proper GM given that it's summer and they're not up against any deadlines.

 

[Tawnos]

No one can answer this. It’s pointless to discuss.

I did mean to respond to this part of your post too. There are people who can answer that. They are the people in the front office, the coaching staff, the beat writers, and the broadcasters. And every one of them say the same things about Staal's off-the-ice presence.

It's not direct evidence, but it should be good enough for all of us.

 

[Paulie Walnutz]

In b4 Webster named new GM

 

[bobbop]

All Ottawa does is try to save money. Almost every move they have made has been to take been less salary. It is fairly safe to say if they are acquiring a player it is with them paying a minimal amount. If Gaborik/MacArthur weren't insured at 80% I feel fairly confident that they would be traded to a team (like the Rangers) who are willing to pay real dollars in exchange for cap relief.

Given the paltry draft choice return, you are probably right here.

 

[Ghost of jas]

Staal is a hockey player, not a guidance counselor

Are you sure about either statement?

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

Russo’s article mentions Chiarelli, please dear god let Minnesota hire him

 

[eco's bones]

I don’t need want Staal there for the money he’s making. I don’t understand this Shattenkirk needs to be sheltered argument at all. Staal is abysmal but for some reason everyone is fine lining him up against a firing squad.

Shattenkirk does not get tough assignments--you don't throw him out against Ovechkin, Matthews, Crosby, Barzal or Hall. You avoid those scenarios as best you can. He hardly plays on our penalty kill. That's the sheltering part. He makes tons of money to produce offense and to make our power play work--last year he played almost the entire year and had 1 goal and 6 assists on our power play. That's about $1 mil per power play point. DeAngelo's better at it than he is---Trouba is too.

 

[True Blue]

The reality is that Staal had the 2nd worst shot attempt differential in the league last year. I don’t want him anywhere near young players.

Unfortunately for you, you are not the coach and the decision maker. Stall is going nowhere.

 

[Alluckks]

So was that noon deadline for Smith/Staal/etc. all just a bunch of hogwash?

 

[JimmyG89]

I can also see Shattenkirk dropping 45 points in a Devils jersey this season, not something I could say for B. Smith.

Devils already have Vatanen, Subban, and Severson on their right side. Don't see them signing someone like Shattenkirk at this point. That ship has sailed.

 

[Fitzy]

Devils already have Vatanen, Subban, and Severson on their right side. Don't see them signing someone like Shattenkirk at this point. That ship has sailed.

Or the Isles

Bigger potential for seller's remorse, regardless.