Speculation: Roster Building Thread LXI - We are in The End Game now.

[mas0764]

I think it would be a huge mistake buying out Shattenkirk. Huge. It inhibits us going forward, but especially next summer.

I'm on board with not buying him out, but isn't it about a break-even next year?

His salary is $6.5m. If we buy him out, this year the cap hit is $1.5 (we save about $5m), but next year the cap hit is $6m (we save $0.5m)? Something like that.

It's not as beneficial as buying out Staal, but it looks to me like as long as we aren't going to be major players in free agency next year, that we should be fine, buyout or no buyout. The buyout is needed for THIS year.

 

[LiveLongandProspal]

But hasn't won a puck battle in 3 years.

Trust me. I know he sucks.

 

[NernieBichols]

Do not understand. Doesn't Shatty have to be waived prior to buyout?

He needs to be asked by then, in case he said yes I want to see if someone picks up my entire contract. So they will have had to inform shattenkirk before noon today

 

[HockeyBasedNYC]

I think the ideal situation would be to buy out Smith, and trade Namestnikov - keeping Shatty, Strome & Kreider, resigning ADA & Lemieux.

If they can't find a taker for Namestnikov, who would be a dump you can live with considering they are loaded at wing, then the next trade to look into is Strome. I feel like Strome has much more value to the Rangers considering his age, pedigree, last season's performance and his position - so they need to get good value back and a center in return, which will prove to be difficult.

I think they intend to keep Kreider and see if they can work out an extension. If not, he will be another deadline move. They need to get good value for him and at this point the risk of waiting until the deadline or into the season is greater than the offers they have already gotten for him since they have diminished his value via the cap crunch. As soon as camps open his value will be higher than it is now, provided he doesn't get injured.

That leaves a Shattenkirk buyout as the most likely to occur, though I feel like they also believe he could be in for a bounce back year - or at least curious enough to entertain one. Problem is they dont have that luxury and the Shatty buyout will cost them the most over the years to come. It could hamstring them from taking some steps forward in adding talent to round out the roster.

In a bit of a pickle for sure.

 

[BBKers]

Strange that no reporter has commented on noon waivers and the buyout possibility passing for several players?

You’d think with so many “cap crunch” articles that there’d be some tweets or something.

Exactly the same thought has been crossing my mind

 

[ponytrekker]

Trust me. I know he sucks.

Then put him in a suit behind the bench.

 

[Alluckks]

Exactly the same thought has been crossing my mind

Might be something about to break?

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

Hey Larry, we know you read this

Get off your ass and do your job

 

[NernieBichols]

Likely a trade. Who? I heard Buchnevich being mentioned before, he could bring back some real value right now, is reasonably signed and is cap controlled for 4 more years. Somebody is playing chicken here with GMJG. Could be another buyout if we get too skinned.

The league is giving gorts back what he gave them the last 2 trade deadlines, but luckily he has the shattenkirk buyout in his back pocket, it’s his ticket out of being bullied by the league on Kreider or Namestnikov

 

[Rempe73]

That is an absurdly bad idea.

How? What if we get back a 1st or a 2nd? Rather not lose ADA/Buch due to cap issues than hold onto a potential 3rd liner. It’s not only about throwing in Howden or Hajek. You have to look at the context behind it. Their value is relatively high right now (at least Hajek’s is). Bad idea is arguable, but if you think it’s absurdly bad you’re not looking at the context. Or you’re placing too much value on unproven players.

In other words, I’m sure you would be fine throwing in a Strome/Vesey (yes I know he’s gone but for the sake of argument) for someone to take Shattenkirk, so why not Howden, who might not even become a 3rd liner? I’m not crazy about trading him either, but if it means we get to keep better players, then I’m all for it.

Edit: Also, the most important thing is that teams know that we need to do something, and quick. They know there’s desperation and that we don’t have many options.

 

[offdacrossbar]

To me, penciling in Fox for immediate use at the NHL is somewhat foolish. Yes, we could sign someone to a PTO and find out, but they could just play Shattenkirk there and let Fox get AHL time. Hopefully Shattenkirk restores some value and could be moved at 50% come the TDL.

If not, then after his 7/1 bonus is paid. Could retain 50% then too. Not the end of the world if he stays and someone like Smith and/or Names is bought out.

he wasnt acquired to play in hartford. there was some urgency in that deal.

he can play 3rd pair sheltered minutes 5v5 if need be and add another layer of dynamic offense to this team. adding talent is paramount. shattys 30 yr old tired legs may not allow him to be the player adam fox is right now. shall we have another marc staal ? kevin staal? playing lesser talent more ?

and sending him down and signing a plug to play the same 15 min 5v5 mins per night makes no sense.

fox is a 1st round talent who's ready to play now.

3rd pair is a perfect role for him.

 

[eco's bones]

So play shattenkirk on the left side and give him PK time. It really cannot get much worse than staal.

Staal still has a role on the team. That's to stay at home and be a regular on the PK. To grind it out against bigger forwards--the thankless stuff and no he's not great at it but it's still a role.

The reason we signed Shattenkirk was for offense from the blueline-he was never a great defender and now the offense really isn't there either and he's got a wobbly knee besides. Trouba's going to get power play time and play in all situations. If we keep Shattenkirk whatever power play time he gets is going to come out of DeAngelo's hide. So $6.5 mil for a guy we're going to shelter and also take offensive opportunities away from a younger, better, cheaper player? Losing his power play time means losing his role. And there's no way I'd move Shattenkirk to the left side---he has enough issues playing on the right.

 

[bl02]

Very telling how GM's feel about Names. A 26 year old that scored 48 points just a few years ago. Never wanted him as part of that trade and its telling how it's having a negative effect on this offseason right now. His scoring was a product of playing with top talent. I'm sure if you polled everyone on this board over 50 percent would trade him for nothing right now. Actually some of us would attach a 3rd or 4th just to get rid of his money. JG hopefully can find a way to get rid of Names and then buyout Smith or Staal.

 

[Raspewtin]

Staal still has a role on the team. That's to stay at home and be a regular on the PK. To grind it out against bigger forwards--the thankless stuff and no he's not great at it but it's still a role.

if he's horrible in that role, he's not exactly filling it is he?

 

[Blue Blooded]

Staal is pretty much the second worst regular PK:er in the league after Trevor Daley, getting him off of it would be addition by subtraction - even if the replacement was Brendan Smith.

 

[bl02]

Staal still has a role on the team. That's to stay at home and be a regular on the PK. To grind it out against bigger forwards--the thankless stuff and no he's not great at it but it's still a role.

The reason we signed Shattenkirk was for offense from the blueline-he was never a great defender and now the offense really isn't there either and he's got a wobbly knee besides. Trouba's going to get power play time and play in all situations. If we keep Shattenkirk whatever power play time he gets is going to come out of DeAngelo's hide. So $6.5 mil for a guy we're going to shelter and also take offensive opportunities away from a younger, better, cheaper player? Losing his power play time means losing his role. And there's no way I'd move Shattenkirk to the left side---he has enough issues playing on the right.

I know we are in the minority but I have to agree with this. I just don't see what Shatty brings to this team. At this point he is far from a choice to run the pp. That being said If the Staal buyout makes more sense money wise then I guess that's the way to go. The only purpose either serve right now is being mentors (if you are a believer in intangibles)

 

[Tawnos]

I know we are in the minority but I have to agree with this. I just don't see what Shatty brings to this team. At this point he is far from a choice to run the pp. That being said If the Staal buyout makes more sense money wise then I guess that's the way to go. The only purpose either serve right now is being mentors (if you are a believer in intangibles)

And if their only purpose is to serve as mentors, you're best served by keeping the one who is better at that. That's the thinking.

 

[Trxjw]

I thought the rule was that the player had to be on waivers before the deadline, not that he had to clear waivers before the deadline. Am I wrong about that?

 

[SA16]

How do we know that Staal is a good mentor? Because people say he is? People also say he's a good penalty killer. He's not. I've asked this before but which defenseman has Staal "mentored" into becoming a great defenseman? The only 1st pairing D we've developed in his time has been McDonagh who was a 12th overall pick. Why wasn't he able to mentor anyone else into quality players?

 

[bobbop]

Don’t assume every player contract is insured. I believe that the blanket policy that the NHL holds insures up to 5 players on each team at 80% however there are some physical restrictions. Teams can buy insurance on additional players but it is often rated based on a players health. I’ve seen some of the assumptions in The Athletic and I don’t think they are all correct.

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

But wouldn't waiver be public now?

Not if what @Ola wrote is correct. They would give the player waiver notice at the same time they put him on waivers, and therefore, they would still be within the 48 hour window for notice if they did it tomorrow.

 

[NernieBichols]

Staal is pretty much the second worst regular PK:er in the league after Trevor Daley, getting him off of it would be addition by subtraction - even if the replacement was Brendan Smith.

Yeah that’s what will happen to the advanced stats when bc of a lack of lefties and skjei stinking up the joint for large portions of the season, staal is out there with pionk or Ada against NHL top lines. Duhh.
Staal is so much better than given credit for. It’s such a joke. One of the top 15 rangers dman careers of all time and you got guys on the internet who have never played at any level smearing him SMH

 

[SA16]

Don’t assume every player contract is insured. I believe that the blanket policy that the NHL holds insures up to 5 players on each team at 80% however there are some physical restrictions. Teams can buy insurance on additional players but it is often rated based on a players health. I’ve seen some of the assumptions in The Athletic and I don’t think they are all correct.

It is pretty safe to say the players that Ottawa has on LTIR are insured else Ottawa would not have them.

 

[SA16]

Yeah that’s what will happen to the advanced stats when bc of a lack of lefties and skjei stinking up the joint for large portions of the season, staal is out there with pionk or Ada against NHL top lines. Duhh.
Staal is so much better than given credit for. It’s such a joke. One of the top 15 rangers dman careers of all time and you got guys on the internet who have never played at any level smearing him SMH

Staal has not been a top 15 Ranger dman of all time. He's been bad far longer than he was good.

 

[offdacrossbar]

there's no way they move ADA. his value is here.

with shatty an unknown with his health and age, and with adam fox a true rookie, they cant afford to let ADA go and hes got no leverage anyway. hell sign his QO for one yr. hes staying.

hes actually in a good spot. play well = get paid.

shatty is the guy whos exposed here. he just isn't worth his deal.

names or stromer gone. one off them is a cap casualty.

shatty bought out is the only logical choice.

smith stays as insurance on the right side. hes the 4 rd.

CK stays for now.