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Speculation: Roster Building Thread LXI - We are in The End Game now.

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JimmyG89 said:
Still think if no trades are done, buying out Names and Smith are the way to go. Less cap hit next season and you're maybe sacrificing a 3rd rounder for it. Also, you can see if Shattenkirk does bounce back. His BO next offseason is far less of an issue.
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Buying out Shattenkirk next season rather than this one doesn't make a ton of sense. You don't save any money next year in either case.
 
offdacrossbar said:
shatty has no role on this team. hes 30 and plays little defense. 5v5 hes probably the worst righty defender on roster.

trouba will play a ton. ADA and fox make for a good 2 and 3.

KS PP time will be non existent. ADA deserves a shot at the top of the PP1 certainly trouba will get time there and adam fox is a prototypical PP pmd and all are rightys.

logic says shatty has no minutes.
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So play shattenkirk on the left side and give him PK time. It really cannot get much worse than staal.
 
NYR Viper said:
Again though what is cap space worth?

The issue we are going to see is in years 3 + 4.


2019-2020
Giradi = $3.611m
Beleskey (buried) = $.825m
Staal = $2.9m
Smith = $.970833m
OR Shattenkirk @ $1.483m
Spooner = $.3m
Total Dead Cap Space = ~$8.6m

2020-2021
Girardi = $1.11m
Staal = $3.7m
Smith = $3.145m
OR Shattenkirk @ $6.083m
Spooner = $.3m
Total Dead Cap Space= ~$8.255m
Key players to sign = Lemieux (maybe), ADA (maybe), Georgiev, Strome
Players off the cap = Kreider, Namestnikov, Fast

2021-2022
Girardi = $1.11m
Staal = $1.2m
Smith = $1.1456m
OR Shattenkirk @ $1.433m
Total Dead Cap Space = $3.456m
Key Players to re-sign = Hajek, Chytil, Andersson, Howden, Buchnevich
Players off the cap = Shattenkirk, Hank

2022-2023
Girardi = $1.11m
Staal = $1.2m
Smith = $1.1456m
OR Shattenkirk @ $1.433m
Total Dead Cap Space = $3.456m
Key players to re-sign = Kravtsov, Kakko, Zibanejad, Fox, Lemieux (maybe), ADA (maybe)


So you're saving:

2019-2020:
$2.388M

2020-2021
$.76m

2021-2022
$.912m

2022-2023
$.912m

And you are getting rid of a better player who will most likely have value as soon as next off-season.

So let's say the Rangers pay his bonus next July 1st and then can trade him for a 2nd + 3rd '2021. The additional dead cap of $.912m in 2021-2022 and 2022-2023 is worth less than the additional 2nd + 3rd they recoup from Shattenkirk. Those picks are worth more than that dead cap space. Therefore, buying our Shattenkirk in lieu of Staal and Smith is a poor decision.

You're also clearing an extra contract (Smith + Staal vs Shattenkirk) and opening up LD where the organizational depth is much more plentiful than RD (outside of Fox there isn't anyone else close to ready right now)
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I'm throwing my weight behind the Smith&Staal buyouts.

I'm on board.

Let's speak it into existence.
 
Ola said:
A few things on the buy-outs:

1. It is the Notice of termination (i.e. the team letting the player know that he will be bought out) that must be filed within the 48 hour period.

A team must put a player through unconditional waivers before or promptly after giving the player his notice of termination. I.e. we must not put Smith through waivers 24 hours before the 48 hour period ends.

The waiving takes place after the buy-out has been filed and if a player is picked of the waiver the buy-out is just ineffective (see page 317 of the 2013 CBA).

I’ve just looked at this very quickly, but it’s my understanding of it. Maybe I missed something.

2. Once these things are final, i.e. the notice is made, I also think the news will break immediately. The players are in a hurry to find a new home and so forth.
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Good stuff, @Ola. So, tomorrow noon is actually the telltale deadline for Smith and Names (and anyone else not named Staal, Shattenkirk, or Lundqvist.)
 
True Blue said:
Rangers have big contracts expiring in 2 years. Not one. In several more year's time, they will have a new crop of RFAs to deal with.

What you do not want is to wind up like Las Vegas. Only two years and lots of promise. And already feeling cap mismanagement.
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The Rangers have about 16 million expiring after THIS year, so yes, they do have big contracts expiring after 1 year.

The problem is, it's across many more actual number of contracts than the $25m we are clearing across 4 contracts only, in 2 years.

But it's enough relief. And we have enough top-6 forwards and top-4 defensemen under contract beyond next year that any signings we need to replace the $16m in expirings next year should be much, much less.

I would be shocked if we are really that hamstrung next year. Won't be able to sign any big free agents, but smaller guys? No problem.
 
sooooooooo nothing lol.......... glad Namestnikov is not waived but this means its not Smith right? do they not need to clear waivers then bought out by 5 PM Wednesday?
its either Shatty or Staal or a trade? heck if I know!
 
RangerBoy said:
The buyout period opened yesterday but the Rangers still need to place the waivers at noon and the player would have to clear waivers in 24 hours. Shattenkirk has a NMC and the Rangers can give him notice that a buyout is coming and he can accept or reject the waivers option.



Troy Brouwer was bought out by Calgary last August and he cleared waivers.
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So... it's Shattenkirk then.
 
The only response I got (for now) was "Marc Staal is safe. He's beloved by management and in the locker room. Really funny and is a great mentor for the kids."
 
Dactyl said:
Right, but we could waive them and still choose to buy out Staal or Shattenkirk instead of them no?
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I don't think so. I'm pretty sure you file the waivers and the buyout at the same time. It doesn't work exactly the same as regular waivers.
 
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