Speculation: Roster Building Thread LXI - We are in The End Game now.

[Irishguy42]

Oh wow

Remind me again when our big contracts come off the books?

In two seasons. Summer 2021.

 

[Tob]

 

[Alluckks]

In two seasons. Summer 2021.

Hmm, and that is when Gusev is a free agent you say?

 

[Alluckks]

Ya know, this meme applies to us. But, it also applies to Shattenkirk, Smith, and Staal lol

 

[Tob]

Ya know, this meme applies to us. But, it also applies to Shattenkirk, Smith, and Staal lol

what do we do if there's no buyout?

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

what do we do if there's no buyout?

Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaait through August for them to make some last minute move(s) just before the end of the off-season.

 

[Alluckks]

what do we do if there's no buyout?

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[LiveLongandProspal]

Buyout Smith
Trade Namestnikov along with an asset (like a fourth/fifth rounder or something) to a cap floor team

Frees up 7 million or so. Minus the 4.2 since we're over the cap. Re-sign Lemieux and TDA with the remaining money. Bury Beleskey and McKegg... Bam. We're ready to roll.

 

[bobbop]

what do we do if there's no buyout?

 

[Ola]

I don’t like the off-season NJ is having (from our perspective)...

2 and 3 year deals on Gusev and Subban. They’ll have so much flexibility down the road and the coming years.

 

[UAGoalieGuy]

I don’t like the off-season NJ is having (from our perspective)...

2 and 3 year deals on Gusev and Subban. They’ll have so much flexibility down the road and the coming years.

They are going to have to pay Hishier next summer and Hughes by year 3. Unless those players collapse they will get a very decent chunk of change. Also Hall should resign with the Devils. He will get at least what Panarin received.

Same could be said with the Rangers with their young players as well.

 

[Priorae]

I think the idea of buyouts sickens my stomach more than trading players with draft sweeteners.

Buyouts really are just lowering the Cap vs the rest of the league. The leagues cap is xxx, the rangers would be less. Like a scholarship penalty in the NCAA. You can’t trade or maneuver dead money. Awful.

I’d much rather see A trade with draft capital going (which is also infuriating but that ship has sailed)

 

[Vitto79]

Well something’s going down today . Gonna hope for Namestnikov to Columbus and Smith buyout

 

[Good Intentions]

I don’t like the off-season NJ is having (from our perspective)...

2 and 3 year deals on Gusev and Subban. They’ll have so much flexibility down the road and the coming years.

Flexibility? Every franchise has a few players. Although I would have preferred Gusev elsewhere, I believe Subban will be a huge fail in the swamp. Not concerned about Jersey in short term - or long term. They ought be terrified of us though,

Strange 7am thought - can envision Shesterkin in a Devils jersey.

 

[RangerBoy]

The Rangers were able to dump Vesey's contract on Buffalo.

Buffalo also acquired Miller from Vegas.

The Sabres had cap space to take on both players.

Carolina took on Haula's money. They also acquired Marleau's money.

Buffalo and Carolina. Two teams.

There aren't many other teams willing to do that.

Vegas tried to dump more money to find room for Gusev but they couldn't find any takers.

A league source told The Athletic the Golden Knights sent feelers out to see if teams would take salaries like Ryan Reaves ($2.775 million) and Nick Holden ($2.2 million) off their hands, but general managers around the league weren’t eager to help McPhee out of a cap crunch.

Unable to move lesser pieces, a source said the Golden Knights believed they would have to move Pacioretty’s $7 million contract in order to sign Gusev, and they weren’t willing to do that.

Columbus was the other team interested in Gusev. The Devils offered the 2nd and 3rd. Columbus should have gotten Gusev.

Columbus has room to add money. They aren't doing the Rangers any favors. Division rivals. JD left Columbus for the Rangers.

 

[NYR Viper]

The decision is simple, place a deadline for other teams to make their offers for Kreider and Namstnikov. If the prices aren't met, bite the bullet and buy-out Staal and Smith

 

[NYSPORTS]

I think the idea of buyouts sickens my stomach more than trading players with draft sweeteners.

Buyouts really are just lowering the Cap vs the rest of the league. The leagues cap is xxx, the rangers would be less. Like a scholarship penalty in the NCAA. You can’t trade or maneuver dead money. Awful.

I’d much rather see A trade with draft capital going (which is also infuriating but that ship has sailed)

Hate the idea of buyouts too. Get into a bind and refinance the problem down the road. Not a fan of at all.

It’s a shame the ny media isn’t as hard on these hockey players as the other sports.

Lundy would be ridiculed like Eli b/c of the salary, age and his replacement here
Staal would be an Erik Flowers
Shatty - he got injured so I don’t kill him but his contract is a problem
Smith -name your overpaid scrub.

Besides a few boards and the unnamed imagination sources of Brooks, the above get a pass.

 

[RangerBoy]

Panarin left Columbus to join the Rangers. They aren't doing the Rangers any favors to create cap space after signing Panarin.

Columbus is one of the few teams able to take on money. Werenski is unsigned. That's it.

Winnipeg has money but they have to sign both Laine and Connors.

Colorado has money but they have to sign Rantanen.

Ottawa has money but they're cheap.

The Flyers have money but they have to sign Provorov and Konecky.

The Devils aren't doing the Rangers any favors. If Shattenkirk gets bought out, the Devils have Subban, Severson and Vatanen on the right side. They don't have the roster spot for Shattenkirk.

Minnesota has some money. They Fiala and Ericsson Ek to sign. They could have some room left over.

 

[GAGLine]

I think the idea of buyouts sickens my stomach more than trading players with draft sweeteners.

Buyouts really are just lowering the Cap vs the rest of the league. The leagues cap is xxx, the rangers would be less. Like a scholarship penalty in the NCAA. You can’t trade or maneuver dead money. Awful.

I’d much rather see A trade with draft capital going (which is also infuriating but that ship has sailed)

That makes sense until you look around the league and realize that most teams have some amount of dead cap. 3 weeks ago I put together a list of all the dead cap space for the league. There are only 7 teams without dead cap space.

Team	2019-20	2020-21	2021-22	2022-23
Boston Bruins	3,066,667
Buffalo Sabres	791,667	791,667	791,667	791,667
Detroit Red Wings	1,883,334	1,666,667
Florida Panthers	2,889,961	3,889,961	2,277,461	1,183,333
Montreal Canadiens	1,366,667
Ottawa Senators	729,167	1,354,167	354,167	354,167
Tampa Bay Lightning	1,833,333
Toronto Maple Leafs	1,200,000	1,200,000	1,200,000
Carolina Hurricanes	8,583,333	2,333,333
Columbus Blue Jackets	2,708,333	1,250,000
New Jersey Devils	1,916,667	1,916,667	250,000	250,000 *
New York Islanders
New York Rangers	3,911,111	1,411,111	1,111,111	1,111,111
NYR-Shattenkirk	5,394,444	7,494,444	2,544,444	2,544,444
NYR-Staal	6,811,111	5,111,111	2,311,111	2,311,111
NYR-Smith	4,881,994	4,556,944	2,256,944	2,256,944
Philadelphia Flyers	3,071,667	2,516,667
Pittsburgh Penguins
Washington Capitals
Chicago Blackhawks
Colorado Avalanche	4,250,000
Dallas Stars	700,000	450,000
Minnesota Wild	1,216,667
Nashville Predators
St. Louis Blues
Winnipeg Jets
Anaheim Ducks	2,625,000	6,625,000	2,000,000	2,000,000
Arizona Coyotes	1,944,444
Calgary Flames	1,500,000	1,500,000	1,500,000
Edmonton Oilers	4,133,333	3,833,333	1,500,000	1,500,000
Los Angeles Kings	3,757,500	4,762,500	1,962,500	1,962,500*
San Jose Sharks	1,416,667
Vancouver Canucks	4,066,539	4,066,539	3,033,206
Vegas Golden Knights	500,000	500,000

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

* Both NJ and LA have cap penalties for Kovalchuk and Richards, respectively, that extend beyond 2022-23.

This table also shows what the totals would be depending on whom we buy out.

We need to buy out at least one player to get cap compliant this year. Next year, the dead cap won't be a problem regardless of whom we buy out. We have enough cap coming off the books to absorb an extra 3 mil for Shatty. Years 3 and 4 aren't a big deal. Kakko and Kravtsov will need new contracts in year 4, but the new TV deal will be in place by then and the cap will have risen significantly as a result.

 

[RGY]

 

[NYR Viper]

Panarin left Columbus to join the Rangers. They aren't doing the Rangers any favors to create cap space after signing Panarin.

Columbus is one of the few teams able to take on money. Werenski is unsigned. That's it.

Winnipeg has money but they have to sign both Laine and Connors.

Colorado has money but they have to sign Rantanen.

Ottawa has money but they're cheap.

The Flyers have money but they have to sign Provorov and Konecky.

The Devils aren't doing the Rangers any favors. If Shattenkirk gets bought out, the Devils have Subban, Severson and Vatanen on the right side. They don't have the roster spot for Shattenkirk.

Minnesota has some money. They Fiala and Ericsson Ek to sign. They could have some room left over.

Anaheim has money as well

Detroit has money


I think the teams with money are waiting to see who gets bought out before they make moves. If someone like Shattenkirk does indeed get bought out, a team like Colorado can sign him at a low contract for no assets. There will be other buyouts and players on waivers than just the Rangers

 

[NYR Viper]

It warmed my heart to see him say Mr Lundqvist

 

[Rempe73]

Maybe this has been mentioned already before, but my service sucks here in Poland and there’s no wifi, so I don’t have the patience to go back and check. Why don’t we just buy out Namestnikov? Since he’s under 27 (I think that’s the cutoff), we would only have to pay for 1/3 of his contract, right? Then I wonder if we could trade a 50% retained Shattenkirk plus a Howden/Hajek/Barron for something.

 

[NYSPORTS]

Maybe this has been mentioned already before, but my service sucks here in Poland and there’s no wifi, so I’ll ask. Why don’t we just buy out Namestnikov? Since he’s under 27 (I think that’s the cutoff), we would only have to pay for 1/3 of his contract, right? Then I wonder if we could trade a 50% retained Shattenkirk plus a Howden/Hajek/Barron for something.

Ouch, I like Barron a lot so not moving him. Honestly, i’m not moving out a kid to move Shatty.

 

[Ola]

Joel Eriksson-Ek would be a good add from Minnesota in a trade involving Kreider. A good bet.

Everyone loved JEE before he got the Minny. Button had him really high on the top prospect list. Ahead of Barzal and co. Big strong kid with great attitude, both good infront of the net and decent vision. Can skate. But this type don’t have a ton of instant success in the NHL, it’s more often the smaller faster players that do well. But if we trade Kreider, we definitely got a need for that big grinding body at LW. JEE could thrive in that role. Responsible defensively and good on the PK etc. Captained the Swedish WJC team unless my memory fails me. He has played OK for Minny but haven’t produced at all.

JEE + Minny’s 1st in 2020 for Kreider, we could do worse.