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NYR Viper said:
This conversation is had regularly and yet it rarely occurs. The same thought process is given to guys with NMC's an yet they often return what a normal player without a NMC would return.

I think it's more likely the teams that are very interested in Kreider probably were interested in Ferland. Now he's gone. Gorton probably has 3-4 teams interested and now that only 1 of them got Ferland the others will circle back.

Sam thing with Namestnikov and maybe a guy like Dzingel.

There will be a few teams interested in the players and that is what create the market value.
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That's certainly possible, but the fact that we need to clear cap space to sign our RFAs weakens Gorton's bargaining position. We may never know the particulars. Maybe we end up with a decent return, but the return would have included a better prospect if we didn't need to clear the space. Cap space is an asset, just like players and picks, one we have used to our advantage before. Now the shoe is on the other foot.
 
What would be the ask for Names or Kreider?

I know that VK's name has popped up a few times concerning San Jose so there might be interest there. Definitely a need on the wings.
 
GAGLine said:
That's certainly possible, but the fact that we need to clear cap space to sign our RFAs weakens Gorton's bargaining position. We may never know the particulars. Maybe we end up with a decent return, but the return would have included a better prospect if we didn't need to clear the space. Cap space is an asset, just like players and picks, one we have used to our advantage before. Now the shoe is on the other foot.
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Theoretically, if he doesn't see the return for Namestnikov or Kreider as worthwhile right now he can divert and look to move someone else. His back isn't totally up against the wall right now. Strome, Skjei, Fast, a buy-out of Smith/Shttenkirk/Staal. There are options
 
Kaapo Feel said:
I'd love Noah Gregor. Maybe Gregor and a first for an unextended Kreider and Names?
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I was thinking one or the other not both. Gregor and a first for Kreider maybe doable but only if you took Dell off the Sharks hands to alleviate some of the cap hit. They still need to sign Marleau and Thornton (though I expect thm to come in fairly cheap).

For Names, I was thinking more along the lines of Dillon for him straight up.
 
Patty Ice said:
I was thinking one or the other not both. Gregor and a first for Kreider maybe doable but only if you took Dell off the Sharks hands to alleviate some of the cap hit. They still need to sign Marleau and Thornton (though I expect thm to come in fairly cheap).

For Names, I was thinking more along the lines of Dillon for him straight up.
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That Names offer makes no sense for us whatsoever. Trading Names would provide us cap relief, but that doesn't eliminate that he has value in a trade. We aren't gonna trade Names just for another expiring contract with a similar cap hit.

Kreider would take 1st+ or Gregor+, a 1st from a top contender or a pretty good prospect is something we could easily get at the trade deadline.
 
Patty Ice said:
I was thinking one or the other not both. Gregor and a first for Kreider maybe doable but only if you took Dell off the Sharks hands to alleviate some of the cap hit. They still need to sign Marleau and Thornton (though I expect thm to come in fairly cheap).

For Names, I was thinking more along the lines of Dillon for him straight up.
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No interest in Dillon. We don't need another LD, and certainly not one who is 28 and a pending UFA. Doesn't clear enough cap space either.
 
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Patty Ice said:
I was thinking one or the other not both. Gregor and a first for Kreider maybe doable but only if you took Dell off the Sharks hands to alleviate some of the cap hit. They still need to sign Marleau and Thornton (though I expect thm to come in fairly cheap).

For Names, I was thinking more along the lines of Dillon for him straight up.
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I think the first trade is do-able though we really have no use for Dell.

The Nam trade doesn't really help us at all. We pretty much need to clear his entire salary.
 
ZuccsFluffierFluffer said:
I think the first trade is do-able though we really have no use for Dell.

The Nam trade doesn't really help us at all. We pretty much need to clear his entire salary.
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I figured Dell would be a tough ask to include in the trade. Melker Karlsson could be another guy to consider. He is at $2M expiring next year (compared to Dell's 1.9M) and a PKer who can chip in the odd goal.
 
Patty Ice said:
I figured Dell would be a tough ask to include in the trade. Melker Karlsson could be another guy to consider. He is at $2M expiring next year (compared to Dell's 1.9M) and a PKer who can chip in the odd goal.
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Personally I'd rather retain 50% if need be to get the right return than take on a body that we really don't need.

It's less than ideal (the retention) but they can swing it as long as Namesnikov moves at full salary as well (not to SJ.)
 
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Could a team like Montreal be interested in Dillon? Their LD depth is horrible.


Mete
Chiarot
Alzner (will be bought out?)
Kulak
Reilly

Dillon may fill a hole there for a year or so and perhaps Bergevin would look to re-sign him.

Namestnikov to SJ
Dillon to MON
_____ to NYR
 
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You know I forgot about the whole Trouba situation plus you have a few other guys to resign. Definitely not as good trade partners as I initially thought. I still think a deal could be made that helps out both teams it just might take some creativity.
 
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NYR Viper said:
Could a team like Montreal be interested in Dillon? Their LD depth is horrible.


Mete
Chiarot
Alzner (will be bought out?)
Kulak
Reilly

Dillon may fill a hole there for a year or so and perhaps Bergevin would look to re-sign him.

Namestnikov to SJ
Dillon to MON
_____ to NYR
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Do you really want to bring Habs fans into the conversation? :laugh:

Seriously though, that could work.
 
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gravey9 said:
Kreider to EDM seems unlikely. The chances of him resigning after next season are not strong which means the return would likely not be maximized. That said, if EDM was willing to give us an unprotected 1st round pick + JP you'd have to consider it.

It's really unclear whether the Rangers can get a better return this summer for Kreider vs the TDL. Kreider is a great playoff piece. Especially given how important a heavy game is in the playoffs. Would Kreider fetch more if there's suddenly a bidding war for his services at the TDL or right now when fitting in his salary for the whole season potentially limits the teams he can go to. And especially when you consider the term. Why move around the pieces on your roster just fit in Kreider for one season? Maximizing a trade this summer might require Kreider agreeing to sign an extension with the team he's going to. Which again, limits the partners.

So, who are the right trading partners in these circumstances?
1. Colorado, Boston, Buffalo and Arizona. I'd think that the Islanders, Devils and Flyers would all have interest. But it's very doubtful that Gorton trades Kreids to those teams unless their offer is overwhelming. I don't see Kreider willing to sign an extension in Calgary or Edmonton. I doubt he'd be willing to sign extension right away if traded to BUF or ARI. All in all, trading Kreider this summer is harder than it seems. Chances of getting equal value is limited.

At this moment, I think a buyout of Smith or Shatty is most likely. Possible trades -- Namestnikov, Strome or Buch. Kreider may stay until deadline or even re-sign.
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The bolded is why i think any GM should feel good about trading for Kreider now. If things don't work out - in terms of the playoff picture and/or re-signing - they can flip him at the Deadline. They might be able to get more for him than they originally paid, even. At worst it's a McQuaid situation.
 
GAGLine said:
If we end up trading Kreider for 50 cents on the dollar, I'm sure you'll agree that it was an issue too.
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Yeah, but we didn't really trade Kreider for 50 cents on the dollar.

We traded Kreider for 50 cents on the dollar and also Artemi Panarin.

The circumstances surrounding us getting rid of Kreider and thus not getting value are directly related to the fact that we just signed a superstar to replace Kreider's spot in the lineup (1st line LW). Has to be taken into account.
 
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I don't think this has been posted and I'm not sure how legit these guys are but...



Basically, 4 US based teams have shown interest in Brassard, including 2 teams he has played for previously.

If true, that has to be the Jackets and Rangers.

mschmidt64 said:
Yeah, but we didn't really trade Kreider for 50 cents on the dollar.

We traded Kreider for 50 cents on the dollar and also Artemi Panarin.

The circumstances surrounding us getting rid of Kreider and thus not getting value are directly related to the fact that we just signed a superstar to replace Kreider's spot in the lineup (1st line LW). Has to be taken into account.
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I don't know why everyone assumes that Kreider is going to be moved on the cheap.

Any leverage you think the Rangers will lose by being "against the cap" will be negated by the amount of bidders for him. This isn't going to be a 1-2 team thing, we're probably going to be looking at a half dozen or more teams who will be in on this.

Of course, they also don't HAVE to trade him now. There are other avenues they can seek to clear up space.
 
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mschmidt64 said:
Yeah, but we didn't really trade Kreider for 50 cents on the dollar.

We traded Kreider for 50 cents on the dollar and also Artemi Panarin.

The circumstances surrounding us getting rid of Kreider and thus not getting value are directly related to the fact that we just signed a superstar to replace Kreider's spot in the lineup (1st line LW). Has to be taken into account.
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let's call it 62 cents on the dollar.
 
ZuccsFluffierFluffer said:
I don't think this has been posted and I'm not sure how legit these guys are but...



Basically, 4 US based teams have shown interest in Brassard, including 2 teams he has played for previously.

If true, that has to be the Jackets and Rangers.



I don't know why everyone assumes that Kreider is going to be moved on the cheap.

Any leverage you think the Rangers will lose by being "against the cap" will be negated by the amount of bidders for him. This isn't going to be a 1-2 team thing, we're probably going to be looking at a half dozen or more teams who will be in on this.

Of course, they also don't HAVE to trade him now. There are other avenues they can seek to clear up space.
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I was muttering about this to myself on the can the other day. a $1.5M 1 year rebound deal for Brassard to come back and play in NY would likely be something he'd want and a low risk move low cap high reward move we need for our center depth.
 
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