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Speculation: Roster Building Thread LVIII: At part 58, I am out of titles.

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haveandare said:
The thing is, Brassard was as awful as any of these guys last year. Yeah maybe he’ll have a miracle rebound. More likely not and we’re adding another bad player and this one has no potential for growth
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He'd be extremely cheap and easy to get rid of if he doesn't succeed. He also has a much longer track history of success than any of those players. It's by no means a guarantee but given our options it should absolutely be explored.

GAGLine said:
How much is he getting? Will he sign for 1 year and 1 mil? And understand, if he makes the team, that means one of the kids is pushed to Hartford, which may not be ideal for their development.

I'm not interested in signing anyone until we get our RFA situation straightened out. It doesn't seem like anyone is in a rush to sign him, so let's see how much cap we actually have before we go spending money on more free agents.
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Why would they be pushed to Hartford? I don't see any of them as Center or nothing. Lias and Chytil have spent extensive time at wing.

I'm on board with wait and see re: prices; I just don't understand the round rejection of the idea because he'd "block the kids" or "we have options"; both of which teeter on lies.
 
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The more I think about it the more I'm okay with buying out someone like Smith. So many teams already have dead cap on their books with more on the way. With the cap sitting flat the list will grow more extensive and honestly, the minimal cap hit 3 and 4 years down the road doesn't scare me THAT much for just one of these guys. Especially considering the possible bonuses guys like Kravtsov and Kakko could hit and force the Rangers to roll those over to next year anyways if they don't have the space this season.
 
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IF Brassard were to sign and make it, the players sent down to the AHL wouldn't be Chytil and Lias (assuming he proves he should stay up.)

The guys effected would be McKegg and Nieves. No big deal.
 
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Early Line combos :
Kreider. Zibby. Buch.
Panarin Chityl. Kravstov
Lemmy. Lias. Kakko
Strome. Howden. Fast
x-Boo
Good balance.
 
East Coast Bias said:
I'm not married to the Brass idea at all. More just against the idea of assuming Howden is ready for a larger role. Not Brass b/c he's done is fine. but not Brass b/c we already have a better guy Howden is ehhhh
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Howden was as good as Brassard was last year, so if you think Howden sucked there is zero reason to add Brassard. Imo we have atleast 2 options as a 3c this year in Howden and Anderson. It's also possible that Chytil takes the 2 spot and Strome is our 3. We dont need to add centers at this point we need to clear cap space.
 
ZuccsFluffierFluffer said:
IF Brassard were to sign and make it, the players sent down to the AHL wouldn't be Chytil and Lias (assuming he proves he should stay up.)

The guys effected would be McKegg and Nieves. No big deal.
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Mckegg isnt making this team that was an ahl move. There might not be room for Nieves anyway.
 
SA16 said:
There is pressure to get trades done now because of the buyout deadline. But if they're not under by then I still don't think they need to buy players out because Strome/Namestnikov/Kreider all can be traded and I don't buy the fact that teams will be able to leverage the lack of space against them. And even if they do I would rather trade a non first round pick to dump guys than to buy out anyone (other than Staal). Will have more info when other teams sign RFAs though.

Even if the worst case scenario where nobody will take them there is always the option to trade Strome or Namestnikov to Ottawa just for Condon which will cost them between 200k and 1M in real dollars for a guy who will actually play and get us a cap hit of 1.325M when he's in the minors.
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even if the trades aren't made by then, gorton should have a pretty clear picture of what his realistic options are for those trades...
 
I never got a clear ask for Namestnikov. I understand it's mostly just completely clearing his salary. Would a B grade prospect suffice? Sharks have quite a few of those that will be fighting for a spot on their AHL team.
 
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Patty Ice said:
I never got a clear ask for Namestnikov. I understand it mostly just completely clearing his salary. Would a B grade prospect suffice? Sharks have quite a few of those that will be fighting for a spot on their AHL team.
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A B prospect and a mid round pick (3rd/4th) would probably do it.
 
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Raspewtin said:
why isn't icing competent players in positions they can play important?
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and what is this wonderful option that you want us to use? aside from crossing our fingers and hoping that chytil is 100 times better and suddenly can fill the role?
 
Raspewtin said:
Why would they be pushed to Hartford? I don't see any of them as Center or nothing. Lias and Chytil have spent extensive time at wing.

I'm on board with wait and see re: prices; I just don't understand the round rejection of the idea because he'd "block the kids" or "we have options"; both of which teeter on lies.
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There are only so many roster spots. We currently have 12 forwards, with Buch and Lemmy yet to sign. Add in Kakko and Kravtsov and we have 16. If we trade 2 of them, say Kreider and one of Names/Strome, that leaves us with 14. Bring in Brassard, and someone has to go down to Hartford, or we have to trade yet another player.

Neither Strome nor Names are good enough to be 2C. Everyone knows that. They are good enough to play in the top 9 and if we have to put someone in a position they aren't well suited for, better one of them than one of the kids. That is their value. We don't care if we "ruin" them.
 
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SA16 said:
I quite honestly would trade him for a 7th round pick if that is all teams are offering.
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Depends on how bad they need the cap space. He could easily get a third rounder at the deadline.
 
Fitzy said:
Depends on how bad they need the cap space. He could easily get a third rounder at the deadline.
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We need the cap space now though. I think they'll get more than that though just saying I don't really care what the return is. I'd just take the first offer willing to take the whole contract and not risk that offer being pulled later if the team finds someone else instead.
 
Leetch3 said:
and what is this wonderful option that you want us to use? aside from crossing our fingers and hoping that chytil is 100 times better and suddenly can fill the role?
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I don't see what my opinion on the options has to do with anything considering I just asked you "why isn't icing competent players in positions they can play important?"
 
Forwards:
Artemi Panarin - 82.5 OVER
Mika Zibanejad - 75.6 UNDER
Pavel Buchnevich - 52.5 UNDER
Kaapo Kakko - 36.5 OVER
Vitaly Kravtsov - 30.5 OVER
Filip Chytil - 29.5 OVER

Defense:
Jacob Trouba - 50.5 UNDER
Tony DeAngelo - 34.5 OVER
Brady Skjei - 31.5 UNDER
 
I don’t think anyone is offering anything for namestnikov that doesn’t involve sending money back let alone a valuable asset.

I’d move him strictly to clear cap space. You don’t have to give us a thing back. Send us a future considerations for all I care.
 
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Tawnos said:
I have no problem bringing in Brassard if they trade both Names and Strome. Otherwise there’s no point.
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Why? Strome can play wing.

Namestnikov goes.

Rangers try to trade Smith with a pick attached.

If they can do that it clears, what, $8million this year?

So now youre at $16 million to work with to re-sign your RFAs and still have some breathing room to bring in a vet like Brassard **as long as the price is right.

And yes I absolutely want Brassard here than Boo Nieves.
 
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