Speculation: Roster Building Thread LVIII: At part 58, I am out of titles.

[GoAwayPanarin]

Yeah, the offseason ceiling is 89M, they're only at 73 right now so they have plenty of room navigate the offseason and do what they gotta do.

The current cap is counting guys like Belesky and Smith (along with other guys who are candidates to be sent down) but not the hits of Kakko and Kravtsov.

It's probably closer to 72-ish. They'll be fine for this year as they have multiple paths that they can take.

I don't expect a Trouba extension to be announced until the day of his arbitration case since well, his agent is that kind of guy. Buch and the rest of the gang probably get taken care of between now and the end of the month.

This will be sorted out by early August.

 

[McRanger]

I like how Zibanejad's is 75.6 and not 75.5.

 

[Thirty One]

And the verdict?

I think they actually put it at 85, but decided that 95 was a better projection.

 

[Thirty One]

I like how Zibanejad's is 75.6 and not 75.5.

I'm going under for that very reason.

 

[Kovalev27]

Considering Chytil put up Like 25 pts last year he better do more than 29 pts this year. He’s got to take a step forward.

40 pts centering the second line

Mika is the other one. He’s got to be an 80 pt player with panarin who also should be an 80 plus point player.

All relative to health.

 

[Tawnos]

Are you referring to something they’ve done? Like holding onto Namestnikov for too long?

No, I'm not. This entire conversation is under the premise that they haven't moved out the salary they need to move out by August 3rd, which is the close of the buyout window. Arguing against the idea that there's no pressure to take care of this now vs 2.5 months from now.

 

[GregSirico]

I like how Zibanejad's is 75.6 and not 75.5.

Total typo ;x

 

[Pawnee Rangers]

Considering Chytil put up Like 25 pts last year he better do more than 29 pts this year. He’s got to take a step forward.

40 pts centering the second line

Mika is the other one. He’s got to be an 80 pt player with panarin who also should be an 80 plus point player.

All relative to health.

Kakko gonna score 100 goals if that's the case.

 

[JimmyG89]

Kakko gonna score 100 goals if that's the case.

You didn't have Kakko scoring 100 this season? He's going to challenge the all time points record. Seems like you are underestimating him

 

[SA16]

There is pressure to get trades done now because of the buyout deadline. But if they're not under by then I still don't think they need to buy players out because Strome/Namestnikov/Kreider all can be traded and I don't buy the fact that teams will be able to leverage the lack of space against them. And even if they do I would rather trade a non first round pick to dump guys than to buy out anyone (other than Staal). Will have more info when other teams sign RFAs though.

Even if the worst case scenario where nobody will take them there is always the option to trade Strome or Namestnikov to Ottawa just for Condon which will cost them between 200k and 1M in real dollars for a guy who will actually play and get us a cap hit of 1.325M when he's in the minors.

 

[Raspewtin]

Signing Brassard means he’s going to get valuable playing time our kids should be getting.

Chytil and Andersson are not rookies anymore. Neither is Howden. Plus you have guys like Names and Strome who can play Center.

Kakko+Kravtsov might get a look there as well.

I don’t mind signing a vet to shield the kids. We have enough options though where we don’t need Brassard.

we do? like who?

that isn't the logic at all though...the logic is we are gonna be bad anyone, don't have cap space or any better options so why worry about something that really isn't important

why isn't icing competent players in positions they can play important?

 

[GAGLine]

There is pressure to get trades done now because of the buyout deadline. But if they're not under by then I still don't think they need to buy players out because Strome/Namestnikov/Kreider all can be traded and I don't buy the fact that teams will be able to leverage the lack of space against them. And even if they do I would rather trade a non first round pick to dump guys than to buy out anyone (other than Staal). Will have more info when other teams sign RFAs though.

You'd rather trade a 2nd round pick than buy out Smith? Hell, if we are trading a 2nd to get rid of Names, then we might as well just buy him out and save the pick. Saves 2.67 mil this year and only costs us 1.33 mil next year. We won't need that cap space next year. We've got 3.325 mil coming off the books next year from Girardi/Beleskey.

 

[bbny]

Forwards:
Artemi Panarin - 82.5 OVER
Mika Zibanejad - 75.6 UNDER
Pavel Buchnevich - 52.5 OVER
Kaapo Kakko - 36.5 OVER
Vitaly Kravtsov - 30.5 OVER
Filip Chytil - 29.5 OVER

Defense:
Jacob Trouba - 50.5 UNDER
Tony DeAngelo - 34.5 OVER
Brady Skjei - 31.5 UNDER

 

[GAGLine]

we do? like who?

Strome, Names, Chytil, Andersson and Howden are all possible options. The fact that you don't like any of those options doesn't change the fact that they are options. If none of the kids can fill that spot, then one of Strome or Names will hold the spot until we can fill the spot properly.

 

[Tawnos]

You'd rather trade a 2nd round pick than buy out Smith? Hell, if we are trading a 2nd to get rid of Names, then we might as well just buy him out and save the pick. Saves 2.67 mil this year and only costs us 1.33 mil next year. We won't need that cap space next year. We've got 3.325 mil coming off the books next year from Girardi/Beleskey.

Depends on if we have to defer bonuses and how much they are.

 

[SA16]

I don't want to add dead cap space multiple years down the line if at all avoidable. You can always recoup picks if need be and non 1st round picks aren't helping you out for many years down the line anyway. Once you have dead space that's it. You can't get it back. All of these buyouts also include cap hits in the years that our players now will be off their ELCs.

 

[Raspewtin]

Strome, Names, Chytil, Andersson and Howden are all possible options. The fact that you don't like any of those options doesn't change the fact that they are options. If none of the kids can fill that spot, then one of Strome or Names will hold the spot until we can fill the spot properly.

so why can't we just bring Brassard in as hopeful insurance against exactly this happening?

 

[SA16]

so why can't we just bring Brassard in as hopeful insurance against exactly this happening?

The fact that everyone thinks Brassard is awful now is exactly the reason to sign him. He could potentially come cheap enough that he can be sent to Hartford with minimal to no cap hit. Is he awful now? He certainly was last year. Does that mean he for sure is going forward? I don't know - he was good two years ago - and his decline really started with being traded to Pittsburgh and playing in a new role. If he'll sign that cheap there's really no downside he can have a 10-15 game trial and if he still is terrible you just cut him. And if he bounces back you found something.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Minnesota is in the habit of doing stupid things.

Staal @ 50% for what ever they want to send our way that doesn't carry salary.

 

[GAGLine]

Depends on if we have to defer bonuses and how much they are.

There are other factors, like who else we buy out, who we trade and who we let walk. That said, we don't currently have anyone that is expected to get a signficant raise next year. Maybe we re-sign Strome or Fast, but I don't see either getting a huge bump. Strome might get less unless he busts out this year. If we buy out Smith, that's another 1.2 mil saved next year, which pretty much negates Names' buyout.

The buyouts aren't as big of an issue as some people are suggesting. Even Shattenkirk's.

 

[Tawnos]

I don't want to add dead cap space multiple years down the line if at all avoidable. You can always recoup picks if need be and non 1st round picks aren't helping you out for many years down the line anyway. Once you have dead space that's it. You can't get it back. All of these buyouts also include cap hits in the years that our players now will be off their ELCs.

The problem is that the less cap space we have, the more likely it is that we'll be adding dead space in those years anyway. Unless we increase the space enough, I fully expect to see bonus rollover affect our cap in 20-21 and 21-22. In particular, 21-22 is when we'll be off the first few ELCs. Yes, we're going to have a bunch of space open up from the UFAs... but if we're talking dead space from buyouts vs dead space from bonus rollover, I'm not sure I see the difference.

 

[Raspewtin]

Lets break down all of these center options knowing that we have three center positions that are more or less up in the air

Howden - Got crushed defensively at center and spent a long stretch of the season being effectively useless; but he's 21 so whatever. That's on the coach.
Andersson - How effective, at all, in North America he can be has not yet been demonstrated; let alone at center. His skating at C scares me, Stepan-esque
Chytil - I'd like to see him at center but I don't know he will end up there. Regardless, he's a player that would absolutely need insulation there and there's only so much that can go around.
Strome - Awful hockey player. Don't know what anyone sees in him, especially at center.
Names - Ideally not on the team anymore by training camp but he's the only one in this whole group I wouldn't wince at starting at center.
Nieves - Barely an NHL'er
McKegg - Shouldn't be in the NHL for any reason

Did I miss anyone?

 

[GAGLine]

so why can't we just bring Brassard in as hopeful insurance against exactly this happening?

How much is he getting? Will he sign for 1 year and 1 mil? And understand, if he makes the team, that means one of the kids is pushed to Hartford, which may not be ideal for their development.

I'm not interested in signing anyone until we get our RFA situation straightened out. It doesn't seem like anyone is in a rush to sign him, so let's see how much cap we actually have before we go spending money on more free agents.

 

[haveandare]

Lets break down all of these center options knowing that we have three center positions that are more or less up in the air

Howden - Got crushed defensively at center and spent a long stretch of the season being effectively useless; but he's 21 so whatever. That's on the coach.
Andersson - How effective, at all, in North America he can be has not yet been demonstrated; let alone at center. His skating at C scares me, Stepan-esque
Chytil - I'd like to see him at center but I don't know he will end up there. Regardless, he's a player that would absolutely need insulation there and there's only so much that can go around.
Strome - Awful hockey player. Don't know what anyone sees in him, especially at center.
Names - Ideally not on the team anymore by training camp but he's the only one in this whole group I wouldn't wince at starting at center.
Nieves - Barely an NHL'er
McKegg - Shouldn't be in the NHL for any reason

Did I miss anyone?

The thing is, Brassard was as awful as any of these guys last year. Yeah maybe he’ll have a miracle rebound. More likely not and we’re adding another bad player and this one has no potential for growth

 

[Raspewtin]

The fact that everyone thinks Brassard is awful now is exactly the reason to sign him. He could potentially come cheap enough that he can be sent to Hartford with minimal to no cap hit. Is he awful now? He certainly was last year. Does that mean he for sure is going forward? I don't know - he was good two years ago - and his decline really started with being traded to Pittsburgh and playing in a new role. If he'll sign that cheap there's really no downside he can have a 10-15 game trial and if he still is terrible you just cut him. And if he bounces back you found something.

i don't quite understand why Brassard is "leave the past in the past" but Brian Boyle is a great idea on this board.