He didn’t do as great in Vegas as many of us expected, but not so bad as to be ok with 1 mill/year, I’ll bet. Anyways, we have Nieves, McKegg, Smith, Fast, Lettieri, probably even Andersson, Lemieux all likely to get bottom line minutes. Why are we looking to add there?
Speculation: Roster Building Thread LVII: On to Arbitration & the 2nd Buyout Window
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Richard88
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Thanks.
Are you saying you would you do this straight up, or would you want picks/prospects involved too?
Kreider + Namestnikov <---> Zadorov
In terms of cap, that's:
$4.625m + $4m <----> $3.2m ($5.425 added to Colorado)
Landeskog --- Mackinnon --- Rantanen
Kreider --------- Kadri -------- Burakovsky
Namestnikov ---- Jost -------- Donskoi
Calvert -------- Bellemare ---- Compher
(Wilson/Nieto)
You might need to take one of Wilson or Nieto back to make the roster spots work, but I like the depth Colorado would have. Nieto and Wilson are pending UFA's too.
Richard88
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What would the add be on Colorado's side if Kreider came with an extension?
Bear in mind that the package is already effectively a 1st + 2nd + 3rd (since Meloche was a 2nd round pick).
Richard88
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Namestnikov does not have negative value, jeez
charliemurphy
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If those 3 are all moved then Nieves should be favored to center that 4th line which is fine until he goes down again but I'd welcome back Lindberg. Just not sure about a 4th line of Nieves-Lindberg-Fast. Could work and be dirt cheap.
bbny
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On top of that, the Rangers would and should have little interest in Zadorov. He's certainly not going to cut it for Kreider, or be in any deal revolving around Kreider.
On edit: unless the Avs are also taking Shattenkirk back without retention.
Hire Sather
He Is Our Star
Would you pay a 5’10 4th liner 4 million dollars a year?
No one wants this guy. It’s a issue.
bbny
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He's not a 4th liner, and he's 6' not 5'10. Not even sure why the height would be considered an issue anyway. He's a solid 2 way 3rd line player who has shown he can elevate his play with good linemates. The Penguins would love him.
It's still down to a Smith buyout and a Names trade for me. That's $7.3M off the books. In addition to thhe $8M that's available now.
$15.3M Free under that scenario
$7.5M for Trouba
$3.85M for Buch
$1.1M for ADA
You're left with $2.85M in space.
Which means with a Smith buyout, you can retain 30-50% on a Names deal and still have some space to make the deal happen.
$15.3M Free under that scenario
$7.5M for Trouba
$3.85M for Buch
$1.1M for ADA
You're left with $2.85M in space.
Which means with a Smith buyout, you can retain 30-50% on a Names deal and still have some space to make the deal happen.
Would you pay him 4 million dollars yes or no?
Guy is terrible. He’s played like a 4th liner since the minute he got here.
bbny
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That's not a black and white question as it's very dependent on the team. For a young team like the Rangers, no, but for a competitive team that needs quality depth capable of stepping up, yes.
TheBloodyNine
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Who cares. They'll figure the cap out. They have to. They must have some semblance of a plan since they decided to give Panarin that contract. There'll be trades and buyouts and everyone will be signed and the team will be cap compliant by training camp.
Good Intentions
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@Kovalev27 have to disagree with you here! 90 is far from terrible. Smart player that Quinn really respected (and openly commended) for his improved play.
Sure, he’s a little pricey on the cap hit but I like him and trust him as quality role player.
I’m in the pro-Namestnikov camp.
The Crypto Guy
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When we trade Kreider it better not be for yet another defensemen. We have an excessive amount already and a ton waiting in the pipeline.
When we trade Kreider is better before for a a young center with potential (like the Brassard/Zib trade) or a top center prospect.
Yes we have Chytil but is he actually going to be used as a center this season so he can develop into that 2nd line center?
When we trade Kreider is better before for a a young center with potential (like the Brassard/Zib trade) or a top center prospect.
Yes we have Chytil but is he actually going to be used as a center this season so he can develop into that 2nd line center?
charliemurphy
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No way Sakic does this trade and goes without a pick in the first 3 rounds of the 2020 draft.
Meloche is a solid D prospect that really doesn't need much more time to develop... is the intent to keep Meloche?
Even if Shattenkirk is moved you'll have the right side depth looking like Trouba, ADA, Fox, Lundkvist, Meloche... and can't forget about Smith, lol. Sign me up but I don't know why Sakic would trade Meloche and their 2020 1st along with Toronto's 3rd. A trade like that sounds like it should include another player like Namestnikov going the other way too with some salary retained.
With Namestikov, a hockey trade can be made. They had activity on him at the last trade deadline. He’s a good piece to have on a team if someone can fit him for the right price.
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SA16
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I would not pay him 4M but there is value in him to teams with cap space because it’s better to have him for one year than be forced to sign a similar free agent for multiple years. And he’s better than the free agents that will get one year deals so I do think a lot of teams will be interested now that all the good FA are gone.
I think the correct HF translation for "4th liner" is "I don't like this player"
I fully expect this. However, I suspect that a lot of people who are ecstatic with the Panarin signing will be not so much into some of the moves that are now pretty inevitable.
the extent of my understanding of the chart is that if a bar is higher its better lol
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