Speculation: Roster Building Thread LVI: Artemi, where art thou? In NY.

[Amazing Kreiderman]

I know.

Names is at 4. Manning is at 2.2. You bury $975K.

You clear 2.8M in that scenario

Actually, you can burn $1,050,000 this season. The max you can bury is league minimum + $350,000

 

[Mikos87]

Hard cap is fine. 50/50 is fine. Escrow is fine.

They need to limit the young players. If the idea is parity, then teams need to be able to afford their young talent for longer. Going to 14% cap after their ELC is bad IMO. A longer ELC would help but I dont think they will go for it. I'd just restrict the 2nd contract to 3-4 year deals, 8-10% max.

Escrow is not fine. That'll be the battlecry from the players.

I longer ELC is being discussed. The question is- what's a fair structure. Especially for ELCs that overperform. I could see a 4th & 5th year option- with the dollar value for the option being based on an ELC's performance relative to the NHL market. I think that system is fair for players.

One thing I do know is that there may be early arbitration.

The Marner/Nylander situations... they get stuck because there is no medium to negotiate past due to a lack of arbitration rights.

So lots of options to consider. I could also see signing bonus structures or signing bonus buyout penalties be adjusted.

The last issue is going to be post playing career health insurance.

Other than that, there is not a whole lot of issues to drive a lockout.

 

[Mikos87]

Actually, you can burn $1,050,000 this season. The max you can bury is league minimum + $350,000

Nice thank you! That's even better.

 

[Mikos87]

The only other would be no cap but luxury taxes.

This isn't happening. The league's bottom tier teams wouldn't be able to compete. At least in the current system you end up with 2-5 dead teams by December. That would change under a luxury tax.

You'd get the Rangers of old under a luxury tax.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

The only other would be no cap but luxury taxes.

And turn into the NBA? No thanks

 

[duhmetreE]

Escrow is not fine. That'll be the battlecry from the players.

I longer ELC is being discussed. The question is- what's a fair structure. Especially for ELCs that overperform. I could see a 4th & 5th year option- with the dollar value for the option being based on an ELC's performance relative to the NHL market. I think that system is fair for players.

One thing I do know is that there may be early arbitration.

The Marner/Nylander situations... they get stuck because there is no medium to negotiate past due to a lack of arbitration rights.

So lots of options to consider. I could also see signing bonus structures or signing bonus buyout penalties be adjusted.

The last issue is going to be post playing career health insurance.

Other than that, there is not a whole lot of issues to drive a lockout.

Then they shouldn't vote to escalate the cap

 

[duhmetreE]

And turn into the NBA? No thanks

eeeehhh NBA is not comparable to other sports. 5 players in a starting lineup. 8-9 on the roster?

MLB would be more comparable. I'd impose harsher Taxes though

 

[DutchShamrock]

Strome took his game to a different level under Quinn. Not just in the tangible points but in the way he played the game. He has always had the talent. There is no denying that. Could be he is another player from whom Quinn extracted his potential from. Maybe not. But it is certainly worth a see.

As for Staal, come one. You know full well that the elder statesman in the room deserves respect. Full stop. The best would be if they can speak and his playing time the amount of games he gets dressed for) gets reduced.

Its become a thing to expect Strome to regress on his shooting but its ignored that he isn't playing in the hot mess of Edmonton for half the season. The biggest argument against him playing 2nd line center is the shooting percentage regression due. But he could play with 2 of Panarin, Buchnevich, Kakko, Kravtsov, Chytil and Kreider. Worst case is one of them and Namestnikov. If he works hard and thinks the game like the veteran he is, and he is motivated in a contract year, he could hit 50 points again.

Shooting percentage drops but quality of play goes up.

 

[NYR Viper]

I know.

Names is at 4. Manning is at 2.2. You bury $975K.

You clear 2.8M in that scenario

Also, the team will need a #7 defenseman if Smith is bought out. Perhaps that guy is Manning for a year

 

[Leetch3]

Escrow is not fine. That'll be the battlecry from the players.

I longer ELC is being discussed. The question is- what's a fair structure. Especially for ELCs that overperform. I could see a 4th & 5th year option- with the dollar value for the option being based on an ELC's performance relative to the NHL market. I think that system is fair for players.

One thing I do know is that there may be early arbitration.

The Marner/Nylander situations... they get stuck because there is no medium to negotiate past due to a lack of arbitration rights.

So lots of options to consider. I could also see signing bonus structures or signing bonus buyout penalties be adjusted.

The last issue is going to be post playing career health insurance.

Other than that, there is not a whole lot of issues to drive a lockout.

Players hate escrow but 50% is 50%. The alternative is to have a lower cap that guarantees no escrow but that has the risk that if revenue goes up more then expected the players end up getting less than 50%

 

[Tawnos]

Players hate escrow but 50% is 50%. The alternative is to have a lower cap that guarantees no escrow but that has the risk that if revenue goes up more then expected the players end up getting less than 50%

The players can’t get less than 50%. The owners put in an escrow fund too. They’ve paid out the players in the past, though not in a while.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

Luxury cap now please thanks

 

[Synergy27]

The only thing that should adjust is tax, both federal and state should be allowed to adjust the salary cap per team.

The idea of having your home grown players not count against the cap make no sense. It would just revert back to big market teams paying their home grown all stars insane amounts of money and poaching other teams players who can’t afford similar contracts.

Also, what’s defined as home grown? Is Fox? What about Hajek? Must the player be drafted by that team or just play his first game for that team? What would happen is more Fox situations where young players decide not to sign only to become free agents and pick large market teams so that they can make more money than otherwise available.

This team has made more than a couple of poor decisions and they are paying for them. That’s the way it should work. Girardi, Staal, Smith and Shattenkirk. An aging Hank who is no longer that perennial all star player. These things will need to be dealt with either via a fortuitous trade, buyout or just time.

Also, let’s not act like the team only signed Panarin. They also acquired a RD in Trouba who they knew wanted a good amount of money long term. Those two together are going to be ~$19m.

This system has been in place for a while, the team knew the rules of the game and made their decisions. Just because it has turned out poorly doesn’t mean they can just request the rules to be changed.

Just players drafted by your team. Adjusting the cap for those players incentivizes smart development and could actually result in fewer NCAA walkaways as those guys would theoretically not be able to make as much of they signed with a team other than the one that drafted them.

 

[RangerBlues]

The price to pay for rapid acceleration.
What are we gonna do with all these contracts.

 

[Leetch3]

The players can’t get less than 50%. The owners put in an escrow fund too. They’ve paid out the players in the past, though not in a while.

Forgot about that. Thanks

 

[DutchShamrock]

The point of the cap is cost certainty and parity through player redistribution. They are never going to form a system where player retention is encouraged. Its finally working the way it was intended, good or bad. Tavares walked from his draft team. Tavares' new team is getting rid of good players to make it fit. Parity.

I don't love it but it's pointless to debate how they should change a single thing that creates parity. It will be on Bettman's grave stone.

 

[mas0764]

The only other would be no cap but luxury taxes.

The NBA does soft cap, but also luxury tax. It works reasonably well.

 

[Crease]

Escrow is not fine. That'll be the battlecry from the players.

What do they want the owners to do? The players vote to artificially jack up the ceiling 5% every year.

 

[wafflepadsave]

Which testament should I read from? Pre or post @Raspewtin?

Both!

 

[Leetch3]

The NBA does soft cap, but also luxury tax. It works reasonably well.

It works well if you are a fan of the 3 teams with a chance to win

 

[Tawnos]

What do they want the owners to do? The players vote to artificially jack up the ceiling 5% every year.

Not the central cause of high escrow

 

[Crease]

Not the central cause of high escrow

What is? Are league revenue projections too aggressive?

 

[Ola]

Its become a thing to expect Strome to regress on his shooting but its ignored that he isn't playing in the hot mess of Edmonton for half the season. The biggest argument against him playing 2nd line center is the shooting percentage regression due. But he could play with 2 of Panarin, Buchnevich, Kakko, Kravtsov, Chytil and Kreider. Worst case is one of them and Namestnikov. If he works hard and thinks the game like the veteran he is, and he is motivated in a contract year, he could hit 50 points again.

Shooting percentage drops but quality of play goes up.

Yeah, I agree, but he just isn’t that good though.

He has benefitted from getting weaker opponents and been put in that center spot where he as a RHS can just skate to the net and bang home lose pucks at the far left point. Sure those goals count as much as any other goals, but “anyone” can score them in that role and you want some more.

I have nothing against Ryan Strome, but he is just never any kind of difference maker on the ice. He never causes any concerns for a defense, he isn’t any kind of significant factor defensively, he isn’t very smart on the ice, he isn’t clutch or battles hard and so on.

 

[Ola]

What do they want the owners to do? The players vote to artificially jack up the ceiling 5% every year.

They haven’t don’t this in many years...

They have rolled back on the escrow for a long time, last season it was like 1.5% and this year it should be smaller. Have anyone BTW heard what the number was?

Edit: Found it, 0.5% this year. That is just 400k. Had they used the same escalator as last season the cap would have been 82.3m.

 

[LiveLongandProspal]

Our prospect class is deep enough that I would attach our second to get rid of Staal