Speculation: Roster Building Thread LVI: Artemi, where art thou? In NY.

[GoAwayPanarin]

We finally get a little bit better and we're already panicking over the salary cap. I'm so ****ing sick of this league.

There really is no panic in the immediate future.

At worst, they'll have to trade Kreider and buy out a D (Staal plz.)

 

[Machinehead]

Spoken like someone who, whether it be age or ignorance, can't fully comprehend how the salary cap saved the Rangers organization from itself.

Having some kind of cap system is helpful.

This cap system sucks. All we've done is sign Panarin. That's it. That's the only significant signing on the team. We should be nowhere near danger. We shouldn't even be thinking about the salary cap.

 

[Machinehead]

There really is no panic in the immediate future.

At worst, they'll have to trade Kreider and buy out a D (Staal plz.)

We shouldn't have to trade Kreider. We invested a decade into Kreider. He's our player.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Having some kind of cap system is helpful.

This cap system sucks. All we've done is sign Panarin. That's it. That's the only significant signing on the team. We should be nowhere near danger. We shouldn't even be thinking about the salary cap.

It's not the league's fault we have Staal, Shattenkirk, Smith and Lundqvist on the books for a combined 23m+ for the next 2 years

 

[Machinehead]

It's not the league's fault we have Staal, Shattenkirk, Smith and Lundqvist on the books for a combined 23m+ for the next 2 years

You can't pin this on the Rangers. That's nothing compared to the stupidity other teams have on their books. The fact is, even responsible teams get the rope around their necks.

In three years time, Panarin, Kakko, Kravtsov, and Zibanejad might be half our cap. That's supposed to be when we're contending.

 

[Kupo]

We shouldn't have to trade Kreider. We invested a decade into Kreider. He's our player.

We can’t have 18m+ locked up long term at LW. Regardless of how long we’ve invested in CK it’s time to move him.

We’ve invested 12 years in Staal. Should we extend him after next season?

 

[Kupo]

In three years time, Panarin, Kakko, Kravtsov, and Zibanejad might be half our cap. That's supposed to be when we're contending.

Which makes moving CK even more imperative.

 

[Machinehead]

We can’t have 18m+ locked up long term at LW. Regardless of how long we’ve invested in CK it’s time to move him.

We’ve invested 12 years in Staal. Should we extend him after next season?

It shouldn't cost teams anything against the cap to keep their own players.

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

It's not the league's fault we have Staal, Shattenkirk, Smith and Lundqvist on the books for a combined 23m+ for the next 2 years

Bingo.

Rangers are doing a good job ensuring that list of lemons doesn't re-appear down the road, but whats done is done...and I dont think its unfair the team sweats a little with investments on the books like that.

 

[Kupo]

It shouldn't cost teams anything against the cap to keep their own players.

That makes no sense dude

 

[Machinehead]

That’s makes no sense dude

Why not? Why should the system punish drafting and developing?

 

[SA16]

MY plan all along was to trade Kreider and reinvest the money into Panarin so now that we have Panarin I’m not exactly upset that we should be forced to trade Kreider.

 

[SA16]

It shouldn't cost teams anything against the cap to keep their own players.

Would result in either absolutely massively escrow or the loss of a 50/50 revenue split.

 

[McRanger]

Spoken like someone who, whether it be age or ignorance, can't fully comprehend how the salary cap saved the Rangers organization from itself.

I’ve never believed that was completely the case.

Overpaying mercenary vets was certainly an issue, as ineffective as it was embarrassing.

But it was more of a byproduct of the problem, poor drafting and trading, than the problem itself.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

That makes no sense dude

Well, an exemption for drafted players, or some sort of "cap discount" would reward teams who build through the draft.

Lower the cap to 50m, and have homegrown players not count against the cap. Or have home-grown players count against the cap for a max of 6m or something.

 

[Kupo]

Why not? Why should the system punish drafting and developing?

Teams that draft and develop well can move their players for assets and replace them internally for a fraction of the cost, while teams that don’t have that luxury have to invest more future assets for immediate help at a larger cost.

Ultimately, teams that don’t draft and develop are penalized in a way.

In what professional sport across the globe that has a cap allows teams to retain their own players without it affecting the cap?

 

[Machinehead]

Would result in either absolutely massively escrow or the loss of a 50/50 revenue split.

Why would adjustments to an arbitrary system have such profile effects on actual salary and revenue?

 

[Kupo]

Well, an exemption for drafted players, or some sort of "cap discount" would reward teams who build through the draft.

Lower the cap to 50m, and have homegrown players not count against the cap.

How does this help the league?

 

[SA16]

Why would adjustments to an arbitrary system have such profile effects on actual salary and revenue?

Because if the cap is 80M and X of the Rangers salaries don’t count now they can spend 80M+X in total so the overall payrolls all go up despite HRR remaining the same so all players give back more money to keep the split at 50/50.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

How does this help the league?

It rewards teams who draft well. It helps the smaller teams, since those are usually not in the market for big free agents anyway. It would give those smaller teams a chance to offer a higher salary than others due to the cap relief

 

[Machinehead]

Teams that draft and develop well can move their players for assets and replace them internally for a fraction of the cost, while teams that don’t have that luxury have to invest more future assets for immediate help at a larger cost.

Ultimately, teams that don’t draft and develop are penalized in a way.

In what professional sport across the globe that has a cap allows teams to retain their own players without it affecting the cap?

The NFL has a franchise tag which allows teams to retain key players.

Soccer's system is entirely based on the initial cost to bring players in but their salary doesn't really matter.

And they each have their own problems but I think exceptional players or a UFA cap are both viable in the NHL.

 

[Machinehead]

Because if the cap is 80M and X of the Rangers salaries don’t count now they can spend 80M+X in total so the overall payrolls all go up despite HRR remaining the same so all players give back more money to keep the split at 50/50.

Salaries keep going up anyway.

The current system isn't working.

 

[Machinehead]

How does this help the league?

We might have actual good teams.

 

[Leetch3]

Why would adjustments to an arbitrary system have such profile effects on actual salary and revenue?

it would effect salaries cause homegrown players would get paid more without raising revenue. if the players get paid over 50% of revenue it gets taken back in escrow. it could never work without changing or getting rid of escrow

 

[SA16]

Salaries keep going up anyway.

The current system isn't working.

New salaries. All existing contracts would take a huge hit when they are paying 25% escrow or whatever instead of 12.

I personally don’t think having an exception player type thing is a bad idea but the players already hate escrow and this does the opposite of solving that issue for them.