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Speculation: Roster Building Thread LIII: Free Agent Frenzy

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Levitate said:
I suspect the Rangers will be in on Panarin but not at all costs...if he wants top dollar then Florida or someone will give it. If he wants NYC while still getting paid a lot, then the Rangers have their chance.
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He could theoretically still get paid top dollar (12 mill) in NY and the Rangers could fit him and Trouba (lets say 8.25 Mill) in if they:

Trade Kreider, Namesnikov and Vesey with little to no salary returning. This in itself shouldn't be much of a problem.
Buy out Staal - Shattenkirk's buy out value is basically nil in 2020-21 and Smith is waiveable to get maximum salary savings.
Bury Smith and Belesky

This would also require the team to bridge Buchnevich, DeAngelo and Lemieux, which isn't too much of a problem. By the time their next contracts are up they'll have a better idea of who they want to keep and who they can trade away. They should be able to get those 3 signed at around 7 mill all together.

Again, a ton of moving parts which makes me think its not really all that realistic, but it could happen.
 
Levitate said:
I'd be real interested in Keller but unsure why the Coyotes are looking to move him? Weird. Sure he had a down year last year compared to his first but he's only 20

Kreider and a small add for Keller? (considering Kreider's contract status, etc)
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Yeah I wondered that too but apparently they want room for Hayton and Schmaltz. Probably had no traction in trading Stepan. Maybe their fancy stats told them something alarming about Keller.
 
ZuccsFluffierFluffer said:
He could theoretically still get paid top dollar (12 mill) in NY and the Rangers could fit him and Trouba (lets say 8.25 Mill) in if they:

Trade Kreider, Namesnikov and Vesey with little to no salary returning. This in itself shouldn't be much of a problem.
Buy out Staal - Shattenkirk's buy out value is basically nil in 2020-21 and Smith is waiveable to get maximum salary savings.
Bury Smith and Belesky

This would also require the team to bridge Buchnevich, DeAngelo and Lemieux, which isn't too much of a problem. By the time their next contracts are up they'll have a better idea of who they want to keep and who they can trade away. They should be able to get those 3 signed at around 7 mill all together.

Again, a ton of moving parts which makes me think its not really all that realistic, but it could happen.
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Not necessarily. Buying out Smith while trading Kreider and Vesey would free up enough room assuming the other RFA's come in around 15M. 8M Trouba, 3.5M Buch, 2.5M ADA, 1M for Lemieux. If it's upwards of 16-17M then there will need to be either another trade of Namestnikov/Strome or a Shattenkirk buyout instead of Smith.
 
kovazub94 said:
Did you even realize what you did there? That's some very specific type of instant synergy and chemistry
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W Bob and PAnarin travelling together I think they are a package deal and nyi, Florida or Colorado can accommodate that
 
DutchShamrock said:
I liked the idea/musing from @bobbop the other day about the yotes quietly discussing Keller. IMO this is what we should be exploring. Deal from our wing depth to acquire an up and coming top 6 center.

It feels so forced to land a huge UFA at this point. Not even sure we have bottomed out, let alone have our peak in sight. We have a ton of young players that might address glaring needs in the next 1 or 2 years.
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BTW, the Rangers did ask about Keller prior to the draft. So @bobbop isn't just being creative.
 
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DanielBrassard said:
Not necessarily. Buying out Smith while trading Kreider and Vesey would free up enough room assuming the other RFA's come in around 15M. 8M Trouba, 3.5M Buch, 2.5M ADA, 1M for Lemieux. If it's upwards of 16-17M then there will need to be either another trade of Namestnikov/Strome or a Shattenkirk buyout instead of Smith.
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If you want to barely scrape by? Yeah, that could work.

I'd rather keep a bit of a cushion. The Shattenkirk buyout gives us some immediate relief, but not much for next season. The ability to waive Smith (as opposed to the other S's) is flexibility I'd like to keep. Staal is the obvious buy out for me, not only is the the worst of the 3, He clears up the most space over the next 2 years. If you can find a home for Shattenkirk at 50% then that changes thing, but with all the D options on the market that seems unlikely.
 
Not that I’m all for signing Panarin right now, but I could see an advantage to doing so. If the cap rises enough 2-3 years from now UFAs of Panarins caliber could be asking for more than 10-11 mil per year. They could be asking for 12-14 mil or so. Signing guys like that could save the rangers a few mil. It could also tie them up if things don’t go so well.
 
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Panarin, Zibanejad, Kakko, Buchnevich, Kravtsov---maybe Chytil---that's the makings of two good lines if you got the young guys playing on separate lines driven either by Zibanejad or Panarin. That's also 3 ELC guys--one pretty cheap Zibanejad and a second contract Buchnevich who hasn't hit 50 points yet so no reason to break the bank with him. Between Fast, Lemieux, Namestnikov, Strome, Andersson and Howden we fill out the bottom two lines.

There will be interest for Vesey and there will be interest for Kreider and you know what? moving those two guys could really help us keep that rebuild going. Kreider at least should bring back what Hayes did.

And so what if we're getting rid of Shattenkirk and/or Smith. Trouba, DeAngelo, Fox on the right side--Skjei, Staal---one of Rykov, Hajek on the left side. That's a better defense than what we had with Shattenkirk and Smith.
 
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The Sharks often used Thornton and Pavelski on the same line. Pavelski player center on the defensive end and slid out to the wing on offense. I could see where that might make a lot of sense if he was paired with a young center. Three years? I’m OK with that. As a fallback plan.
 
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Edge said:
BTW, the Rangers did ask about Keller prior to the draft. So @bobbop isn't just being creative.
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Yes, for clarity @bobbop said he was hearing that tidbit in his neck of the woods.

And the idea is Kreider will give a playoff hopeful an interesting dynamic. They need a post season appearance for business sake. If they aren't looking too hot, he can be flipped for that 1st and prospect. Maybe he re-signs. He is far from a wasted trade though.
 
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Ya I feel like there’s barely been any concrete Panarin news

Makes me believe that one of the Rangers or Avs is the frontrunner. Both teams operate silently.
 
ZuccsFluffierFluffer said:
If you want to barely scrape by? Yeah, that could work.

I'd rather keep a bit of a cushion. The Shattenkirk buyout gives us some immediate relief, but not much for next season. The ability to waive Smith (as opposed to the other S's) is flexibility I'd like to keep. Staal is the obvious buy out for me, not only is the the worst of the 3, He clears up the most space over the next 2 years. If you can find a home for Shattenkirk at 50% then that changes thing, but with all the D options on the market that seems unlikely.
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I am with you in buying out Staal, the thing is we both know it's not happening for whatever reason and his buyout saves the least amount of cap space of all 3 defenseman who might be bought out.
 
jas said:
As I posted earlier, getting Keller will end up the complete re-do of the 2016 draft for the Rangers.
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You can often tell which drafts teams particularly liked:

For the Rangers, 2011, 2014 and 2016 come to mind. The latter helped by the timing of the rebuild for sure, but still a number of guys they keep revisiting.
 
eco's bones said:
Panarin, Zibanejad, Kakko, Buchnevich, Kravtsov---maybe Chytil---that's the makings of two good lines if you got the young guys playing on separate lines driven either by Zibanejad or Panarin. That's also 3 ELC guys--one pretty cheap Zibanejad and a second contract Buchnevich who hasn't hit 50 points yet so no reason to break the bank with him. Between Fast, Lemieux, Namestnikov, Strome, Andersson and Howden we fill out the bottom two lines.

There will be interest for Vesey and there will be interest for Kreider and you know what? moving those two guys could really help us keep that rebuild going. Kreider at least should bring back what Hayes did.

And so what if we're getting rid of Shattenkirk and/or Smith. Trouba, DeAngelo, Fox on the right side--Skjei, Staal---one of Rykov, Hajek on the left side. That's a better defense than what we had with Shattenkirk and Smith.
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Depending on what they forecast the RFAs signing at the Ranger could make Panarin @ $12 million work by moving out Vesey and Namesntikov’s money while buying out Shattenkirk. They would not have to rush in trading Kreider. They could wait.

Thats also with Trouba getting $8 aav.

The question is what does Buch, Lemmy, ADA get?

Buch @ $3.5
ADA @ $2.5
Lemmy @ $1.5

Those numbers would work.
 
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McCartney said:
Keller would be an amazing fit with all of our big boys in the top-6.

If he’s even somewhat gettable, I hope Gorton is spamming Chayka’s phone.
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Rangers will monitor and keep tabs there.

If Arizona ever gets to the point where they even consider moving Keller, Rangers would definitely want them to pick up the phone and ping them back.
 
Edge said:
You can often tell which drafts teams particularly liked:

For the Rangers, 2011, 2014 and 2016 come to mind. The latter helped by the timing of the rebuild for sure, but still a number of guys they keep revisiting.
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So, 1) would Keller play center or wing, and 2) thoughts on what a deal for Keller might look like? Take back Stepan as a salary dump?
 
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