Speculation: Roster Building Thread LIII: Free Agent Frenzy

[duhmetreE]

And also because players like Panarin don't hit the market regularly. His season LOW is still HIGHER than any Ranger not named Gaborik in the last decade

His ES numbers are as elite as it gets.

IMO he's a 100pt player with a competent PP

 

[nyr2k2]

Of course.

Doesn't have to result in a work stoppage every time though.

Both sides are at fault.

The last three stoppages have all been lockouts initiated by the owners. The first lockout wasn't anything big but brought ELCs. The second lockout, the perception was the players got killed. Goodenow lost his job. There was now a hard cap. Cap was tied to revenues which the players fought, etc. Same for the third. Players received a diminishing share of revenues and contract term caps, among other thing. "The Owners won!" everyone said. In all these negotiations, the players give more than they get. The owners in turn still can't control the spending of their GMs and we end up where we are. The players have lost a lot over the past two decades and have every right to ask for what they can get.

 

[Kovalev27]

but the 11 mil a year guy will still be here when you have to pay those 2...it doesn't matter if you sign that guy first, at the same time or after. if those 3 contracts are on the cap at the same time its all the same when they are all on the cap. on a 7 year deal the issue isn't fitting him year 1, the issue is what you project the cap to be down the road and how you think things will fit. I'm not arguing we can or can't fit him, i'm arguing that signing him while those guys are on ELC gains us nothing cause we aren't winning during that window

That’s fine if older contracts are coming off entirely when you have to pay guys coming off entry level. There’s a balance there you have to maintain. Then in a couple years you have new young guys on entry levels when that 11 mil guy is in the last 2 or 3 years of that big deal. Have to cycle it correctly. Can’t all hit at once

 

[Leetch3]

The last three stoppages have all been lockouts initiated by the owners. The first lockout wasn't anything big but brought ELCs. The second lockout, the perception was the players got killed. Goodenow lost his job. There was now a hard cap. Cap was tied to revenues which the players fought, etc. Same for the third. Players received a diminishing share of revenues and contract term caps, among other thing. "The Owners won!" everyone said. In all these negotiations, the players give more than they get. The owners in turn still can't control the spending of their GMs and we end up where we are. The players have lost a lot over the pat two decades and have every right to ask for what they can get.

that's how it goes...every time the players 'cave' and give the owners everything they asked for and more. and for the next 2-3 seasons the league parades around telling everyone how amazing the deal is for them...meanwhile player salaries continue to go up and up and up then around year 4 of the deal the tune changes to the current cba is unfair to the league and when its time to negotiate again the players are going to have to give more and repeat the cycle...

 

[Priorae]

His ES numbers are as elite as it gets.

IMO he's a 100pt player with a competent PP

We already have Panarin on the roster, we just don’t know it yet (he’s called Vitaly Kravtsov)

 

[Leetch3]

That’s fine if older contracts are coming off entirely when you have to pay guys coming off entry level. There’s a balance there you have to maintain. Then in a couple years you have new young guys on entry levels when that 11 mil guy is in the last 2 or 3 years of that big deal. Have to cycle it correctly. Can’t all hit at once

maybe i'm just dumb but if in 3 years you give kakko, kratsov and fox huge raises...what difference does it make if you are signing a panarin for $11 mil per year in 3 years 'at the same time' or if panarin is entering year 4 of his contract at the same rate? you still have that $11 mil plus what you sign those kids for hitting the cap in the same year

 

[TheBloodyNine]

It's crazy to think that Gaborik had a contract that is only .5 more than the contract Hayes signed for. Inflation is wild.

 

[Kovalev27]

maybe i'm just dumb but if in 3 years you give kakko, kratsov and fox huge raises...what difference does it make if you are signing a panarin for $11 mil per year in 3 years 'at the same time' or if panarin is entering year 4 of his contract at the same rate? you still have that $11 mil plus what you sign those kids for hitting the cap in the same year

You’re not listening to me! Feels like it’s been that way for like 15 years or so no? Lol

The older contracts on the team come off the books by the time those kids need their contracts and when the next wave of big time kids need their contracts that 11 mil contract is coming towards the end of its cycle as well. Need balance. Can’t all get 10 mil at one time. Think of it almost like a bank you can’t all withdraw your money at once.

 

[Chalfdiggity3]

$12M???????

I told everyone in previous messages that he would get that bc of skinners crap contract

 

[duhmetreE]

It's crazy to think that Gaborik had a contract that is only .5 more than the contract Hayes signed for. Inflation is wild.

That's how revenue sharing works. Inflation would be the wrong word to use

Gaboriks contract would be $10.75M in 2019
Hayes contract would be $5.10M in 2009

People continue to get caught up in AAV. It all comes down to cap hit %.

 

[Kovalev27]

Lebrun (who’s probably the best at this job honestly) was just on TSN 1050 he believes panarin is going to one of Rangers/Panthers/Islanders.

So realistically it’s Rangers or Panthers

 

[Ghost of jas]

I've heard Florida, Rangers, Islanders and Blackhawks as suitors for Panarin. Any other teams been mentioned? Seems like a short list for such a good player.

Colorado

 

[QJL]

I've heard Florida, Rangers, Islanders and Blackhawks as suitors for Panarin. Any other teams been mentioned? Seems like a short list for such a good player.

Blackhawks are reportedly out and the Avs are meeting with him this week.

 

[LaffyTaffy]

Idk why you all think Panarin to Islanders is so impossible. Jynxing yourselves, i can assure you its a possibility and you better hope we dont need to deal with him 4 times a year

 

[duhmetreE]

I could see Lou offering Panarin 7/90-100, because that's what it would take IMO

 

[RangerBoy]

$10-12 million range

Artemi Panarin, Columbus Blue Jackets – He’s going to cost you a fortune but in a top-heavy UFA class, Panarin is the best. The problem is, there aren’t many teams that really believe they can land him. The Florida Panthers are the front-runner, and when asked whether or not the Panthers could ultimately close the deal, one executive said he’d “be shocked” if they didn’t. Colorado continues to clear cap space and might emerge as a major free agent player to watch.

Zuccarello is in $6M-$8M

Joe Pavelski, San Jose Sharks – Colleague Pierre LeBrun reported that Pavelski would be visiting teams this week, with the Tampa Bay Lightning and Dallas Stars among the potential trips. You can definitely sense some frustration behind the scenes about the lack of a deal with the Sharks after Pavelski’s tenure there as captain. The two sides remain in communication but Pavelski’s best deal may come outside of the team that drafted him. Stars GM Jim Nill took a run at signing Mats Zuccarello but couldn’t find a deal that worked for both sides (at least not yet). The reality is that the first-round pick compensation also was a factor. Pavelski could be a good Plan B, although Nill seemed reluctant to predict an aggressive foray into free agency. “I’m not going to be crazy about it,” Nill said. “We’re going to wade into it. See what’s out there. If I stay with what I’ve got, I’m fine with it.”

Mats Zuccarello, Dallas Stars – The Stars loved him, as anyone associated with the New York Rangers knew would be the case. He was strong in the playoffs and would be welcomed back for the right amount. But this is likely going to be the last big contract of his career and teams are getting the indication that Zuccarello would like a five-year deal, which is lengthy for someone who turns 32 in September. “He has high-end character,” Nill said of Zuccarello. “He wants to win. He’s competitive. He’s a good hockey player. A real good hockey player.”

 

[Ghost of jas]

He’s lost at wing imo. He’s a natural center

Except for when he played his best hockey as a wing next to Hayes.

 

[EdJovanovski]

Is it possible/likely we just front-load his contract? Give him 14m the first few seasons and then 8m the last few when we’re going to be paying up for Kakko & co?

 

[GeorgeKaplan]

Lebrun (who’s probably the best at this job honestly) was just on TSN 1050 he believes panarin is going to one of Rangers/Panthers/Islanders.

So realistically it’s Rangers or Panthers

LeBrun really going out on a limb there

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

The Panarin issue isn't with what he's going to get in terms of the cap percentage wise vs other guys...

The issue is how the Rangers can't fit him in with out doing some major juggling.

Like they would need to clear 13-14 mill just to be safe, which would basically be this roster while booting Vesey, Kreider and Namesnikov + A buyout of Staal or Shattenkirk + Waiving Smith.

Thats a ton of moving parts for 1 player, and he isn't McDavid.

 

[GeorgeKaplan]

Is it possible/likely we just front-load his contract? Give him 14m the first few seasons and then 8m the last few when we’re going to be paying up for Kakko & co?

Not how the cap works, and real money isn’t a problem for the Rangers

 

[Thirty One]

I think Chytil has looked good and has looked lost at center and has looked good and has looked lost at wing.

 

[DanielBrassard]

I think Chytil has looked good and has looked lost at center and has looked good and has looked lost at wing.

So essentially, he looked like 95% of rookies, and we shouldn't make a determination just yet about where his best position is.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

I think Gorton is likely offering something like 12x5. I don’t think he cares as much about keeping the cap hit low as opposed to the term.

We’ll see if he’s willing to go 6 or 7 if it comes down to it, though. I wouldn’t blame him if he did. The chance to get a player this good is very enticing.

 

[LORDE]

Idk why you all think Panarin to Islanders is so impossible. Jynxing yourselves, i can assure you its a possibility and you better hope we dont need to deal with him 4 times a year

BULLSHIT!!!

They need all the help they can get... in two years they'll need everything AND the kitchen sink, just trying to DEAL with this BEAST team Gorton is constructing