Speculation: Roster Building Thread LIII: Free Agent Frenzy

[nyr2k2]

And the players will still ask for more

As they should.

 

[DanielBrassard]

Panarin at 12M is a bit on the high side even for someone like me who is in favor of signing him.

Hoping it's less.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

As they should.

Always ask for more. It's a job interview. Ask for 100k a year even if you earn 50k in your previous job. Try to get as much out of it as you can.

 

[GAGLine]

$12M???????

The germane part of that article:

Adam Rotter: There is a feeling from some around the league that while the Rangers are definitely interested and would love to add Panarin that they are not going to get into a bidding war and that he would likely need to pass up better offers to join them. If Panarin is determined to be a Ranger then something will get worked out, but it’s not believed he is dead set on being a Ranger in the way that Kevin Shattenkirk was. Shattenkirk turned down a reported seven-year deal at $7 million per season to fulfill his dream of being a Ranger. While Panarin is believed to have a lot of interest in the Rangers, it’s believed he will go with the team that makes him the best offer.

Our bid won't be the highest. Both the Islanders and the Panthers can afford to sign both him and Bob. Florida has the tax advantage.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Panarin at 12 won't work here.

Hell Panarin at 11 won't work here.

 

[duhmetreE]

When the cap goes up, so do the salaries. 12m now is basically the same as 6m in 2006

I don't understand why this is lost on so many

 

[Tawnos]

The germane part of that article:



Our bid won't be the highest. Both the Islanders and the Panthers can afford to sign both him and Bob. Florida has the tax advantage.

Which is really the way it should be. The interest should be there IMO, but if he chooses to go elsewhere, that's ok.

 

[Priorae]

and really, why shouldn't they?




The NHL’s Most Valuable Teams

I love that link. Seriously how is Florida going to sign both of these guys. If they were a stock I’d short the crap out of it. High debt, burns money, doesn’t win.

 

[FIRE DRURY]

Krav is 6'4"?

I was surprised by that too. That's what they had him listed at on Eliteprospects.com. I've also seen him listed at 6'3". Still, our guys will be the anti-smurfs. I'll take size with skating ability and skill. This team should be a handful for opposing dmen when they're fully developed.

 

[Edge]

The germane part of that article:



Our bid won't be the highest. Both the Islanders and the Panthers can afford to sign both him and Bob. Florida has the tax advantage.

"The Rangers are interested, but will not pursue pursue players into the stratosphere."

That continues to hold true - be it Trouba, Panarin, etc.

 

[EdJovanovski]

@Edge Do the Rangers view Chytil as a center or LW for his NHL career?

Unpopular opinion but I thought he looked better at center than wing

 

[Kovalev27]

You can’t add an 11 mil player without some of your best guys on entry level deals. So if the thinking is let’s add a guy in 2 or 3 years when kakko Fox Kravtsov and Chytil are established studs and getting paid as so well that’s prob too late.

 

[Kovalev27]

Unpopular opinion but I thought he looked better at center than wing

He’s lost at wing imo. He’s a natural center

 

[Leetch3]

You can’t add an 11 mil player without some of your best guys on entry level deals. So if the thinking is let’s add a guy in 2 or 3 years when kakko Fox Kravtsov and Chytil are established studs and getting paid as so well that’s prob too late.

you are talking about signing a guy for 7 years...so if its a bad idea in 2-3 years when those kids get raises, then its a bad idea now cause we aren't winning in the next 2 years

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

you are talking about signing a guy for 7 years...so if its a bad idea in 2-3 years when those kids get raises, then its a bad idea now cause we aren't winning in the next 2 years

But in 2 years we have 20+ million coming off the books with Lundqvist, Staal, Shattenkirk, Smith and most of Girardi off the books.

 

[Hire Sather]

Always ask for more. It's a job interview. Ask for 100k a year even if you earn 50k in your previous job. Try to get as much out of it as you can.

Of course.

Doesn't have to result in a work stoppage every time though.

Both sides are at fault.

 

[Leetch3]

But in 2 years we have 20+ million coming off the books with Lundqvist, Staal, Shattenkirk, Smith and most of Girardi off the books.

but that part is true regardless...all of those contracts will be gone when the kids get their raises, then if you think that adding another $11-12 mil contract on top of those is a recipe for disaster and puts us in cap hell then that holds true whether the guy signs that deal now or in 2 years. the 'cap hell' created in the situation IF you believe that it will doesn't become less because you signed the UFA before you gave those kids a raise.

and i'm not arguing for or against the contract...just saying that if it doesn't work in 2-3 years, then it doesn't work now unless its a 2-3 year deal.

 

[Kovalev27]

you are talking about signing a guy for 7 years...so if its a bad idea in 2-3 years when those kids get raises, then its a bad idea now cause we aren't winning in the next 2 years

In 2 or 3 years some of your older guys come off the cap (like Staal Hank) while the cap at the same time increases and that contract is less and less of the overall percentage.

You aren’t adding an 11 mil a year guy the same year you have to pay kakko and Kravtsov.

 

[DanielBrassard]

In 2 or 3 years some of your older guys come off the cap (like Staal Hank) while the cap at the same time increases and that contract is less and less of the overall percentage.

You aren’t adding an 11 mil a year guy the same year you have to pay kakko and Kravtsov.

Partially because that 11M guy will cost 13-14M assuming the cap goes up.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Partially because that 11M guy will cost 13-14M assuming the cap goes up.

And also because players like Panarin don't hit the market regularly. His season LOW is still HIGHER than any Ranger not named Gaborik in the last decade

 

[NYR Viper]

"The Rangers are interested, but will not pursue pursue players into the stratosphere."

That continues to hold true - be it Trouba, Panarin, etc.

I’m not trying to get you attacked again but the conversations we all had a few days ago still pertain? Still some interest in the usual names?

 

[Leetch3]

In 2 or 3 years some of your older guys come off the cap (like Staal Hank) while the cap at the same time increases and that contract is less and less of the overall percentage.

You aren’t adding an 11 mil a year guy the same year you have to pay kakko and Kravtsov.

but the 11 mil a year guy will still be here when you have to pay those 2...it doesn't matter if you sign that guy first, at the same time or after. if those 3 contracts are on the cap at the same time its all the same when they are all on the cap. on a 7 year deal the issue isn't fitting him year 1, the issue is what you project the cap to be down the road and how you think things will fit. I'm not arguing we can or can't fit him, i'm arguing that signing him while those guys are on ELC gains us nothing cause we aren't winning during that window

 

[duhmetreE]

The new CBA lines up with when our ELCs expire.

Players want to deal with the escrow situation and I'm sure owners want some form of limit to what RFAs can earn. RFA's should be maxed out at 10ish% IMO

 

[DanielBrassard]

And also because players like Panarin don't hit the market regularly. His season LOW is still HIGHER than any Ranger not named Gaborik in the last decade

I would agree, it's just not likely that a player of his caliber will reach UFA. Maybe that's for the best, but if you are going to sign a UFA Panarin seems like the best bet.

 

[NYR94]

I've heard Florida, Rangers, Islanders and Blackhawks as suitors for Panarin. Any other teams been mentioned? Seems like a short list for such a good player.