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Most 2013 "re-drafts" have Buchnevich going 14-21 in the 1st round. His value is only going up at this point. I think people around here really underestimate his ceiling. Certain GM's around the league won't.
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Most 2013 "re-drafts" have Buchnevich going 14-21 in the 1st round. His value is only going up at this point. I think people around here really underestimate his ceiling. Certain GM's around the league won't.
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I still don't know what to make of Buch. I can see him having a Vinny Prospal career averaging 55 points with a couple outlier seasons. I can also see him back in the KHL after his next contract
DutchShamrock
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I wonder if Arizona's best offer is held up by the galchenyuk to the isles rumor. Cap issues, potential 1st rounder return, etc. I'm keeping an eye on that.
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I realize you might not have gone to bed yet but this post at almost 5 this morning--your tomorrow is today. There is still time for something to happen but it is running out. And there is a point in the first round where there no longer is a point to moving Kreider for a draft pick. To me that will be around 15 or somewhere around 9:30 pm EST but also depending on who is left on the board. I wouldn't be surprised either way if Kreider and/or Buchnevich are moved or not. And that is the way it should be because I really don't want Gorton doing any deal--I want him doing a good deal for us and if it's not good enough--then don't do it.
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Okay--not as a Ranger. Tomas got around. He had a few years in Detroit too. I always liked him--he was an asshole to play against.
I believe Barrie had been mentioned here or it was just speculation but Dreger tweeting late about general discussion for the Avs
Eh i dont think we are taking back Carl Soderberg.
Really interesting day it will be.
Say they move Buch and Vesey for 8th + JP.
JP could replace one of the forward spots but it opens one but no guarantees. Same with Alex Nylander and Buffalo. So then we may have two open forward spots.
If we trade Kreider could be 2-3 spots needing to be replaced depending on the return.
But also it could open a bunch of cap space. What do the Rangers do then?
They could sign Brassard on a short term deal to play in the top 9. He could start at 2C and swap with Howden or Lias depending on how they are playing.
And then there is Panarin.
A lot of the offseason game plan can shift after today
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I too really appreciate Edge and the others who have some info, yet I've also have a difficult time believing Kreider, even with retention, is going to return more than something similar to what he'd get next trade deadline, something like what the Hayes deal ultimately turned out to be, ~ #20 pick and likely bottom 6 role forward. Something similar to the Trouba deal as well.
Unless
That team sent something else back they did not want, or the Rangers included something that added value to Kreider.
or
That team was able to talk to Kreider and they came to an extension agreement or at least an agreeable framework even if he could not official sign until July 1st.
I'd love to be wrong, and have actually been called wrong about that opinion.
Buch however I do believe teams may be more willing to give up an earlier pick, not sure about top 10 or whatever, yet since he has 3 RFA years left, is probably not going to get a huge contract, and has the talent to maybe be a higher end producer even if he remains an incomplete player, there should be, in my opinion, more value there where it makes a little more sense for a team to give up a decent odds future who would be cost controlled, as he has a decent odds future and some cost control attached to him.
Buch and Vesey for 8th???? come on never happen
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Go read through the threads, that is what has been speculated given the info we have been fed.
It is believed Buch has good value around the league. He is still only 24 years old
@Edge What am I missing with Shattenkirk? You know if he gets bought out, someone is going to give him more than 3.5m and 2 years. So assuming the Rangers are willing to eat his contract, how on earth does he have no value? Why would a team rather sign him for 5 years @ 6m, which he would likely get, rather than 3.5m at 2?
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I can see this being an issue where the fan/HFBoards opinion and teams in the league disagree.
Buch, warts and all, is a skilled player. Now the question is how to get that skill out of him consistently, but the talent is inherently there. The appeal for a team like Edmonton is then matching that ability with a talent like McDavid, and not just for a year or two.
The Oilers need wingers. They get two in this negotiation that fit holes they’ve expressed an interest in plugging - McDavid’s flank, and on the third line.
Ironically, if the Rangers has slipped in the draft rankings and were picking 8th, a lot of people would be complaining about not getting a sure fire stud, they’d be pointing out the history of guys who were picked in the lower half of the top 10, and they’d be lamenting that the best odds of success often involve one of those elusive top picks.
Yet in trade proposals, suddenly that same pick is elevated in value and requires a King’s ransom to acquire.
I was a little surprised to hear Buch mentioned in some trades myself, but I don’t think the value is off. And that’s why it hasn’t been rejected yet. It might need massaging to get it across the finish line. But it’s certainly given the Oilers something to think about.
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No one was willing to trade for Girardi at 50% on his $5.5m contract, but Tampa gave him $3m as a UFA. Granted, the UFA deal was one year shorter than the bought out contract, but still.
If Gorts gets 8th without Kreider in the mix along with Buch he deserves a big raise.
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I would much rather move Kreider than move Buch for the 8th. And I don't see why anyone would argue otherwise.
Buch has upside potential. Just came off his first 20 goal season. And is cost-controlled.
Kreider is aging. About to get paid enormously. And is still enormously inconsistent.
Well that I understand. Not wanting him for that extra year. I might be off with Shattenkirk getting 5 years at 6m. But he will get more than 2 years. And he will get more than 3.5m per.
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I think that is why one would be debated for a say top 10 pick as a centerpiece, the other not so much.
I'm not even sure if I'd like the Buch deal, while I would like to see them have another pick, I'm not so sure the odds of that picks working out to even be the current Buch are 50/50
charliemurphy
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I would think to get 8OA in this draft it could cost Kreider AND Butch with maybe a player coming back like Puljujarvi
Pavel frustrates me and his value took a spike up after the deadline . Sell high
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I think that would point to the Ranhers aggressively pursuing Panarin. Your top 6 wingers next season would likely be Panarin, Kravstov, Kaako and Chytil.
Assuming they move Kreider as well.
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