Speculation: Roster Building Thread LI: Something happen, please...

[nyrage]

CK and Buch are two of my personal favorites. I think it's because I feel as though we have been starving for home-grown forwards.

I can understand why we wouldn't want to commit to him long-term at this point, so I'm ok if we trade him for a good future piece.

Buch, on the hand, I don't want to see go. Yeah, he can be frustrating at times, but he's still young and has some skills. Just need to get him in a mental state of consistently delivering on these skills. However, if he is traded, Gorts has earned my trust (which didn't happen instantly, but has grown over time).

 

[DutchShamrock]

Look at the teams circling our roster. 3 of them have legit issues attracting free agents. Even if some of them could, they lack cap space. Colorado maybe has fewer issues, but they have some assets to spare and they are reaching the point where their core is ready and cap could dry up if they wait too long.

It's hard to appreciate their position. It's a perfect storm for Gorton where he has multiple bidders for our players and relatively few options to explore. Those players for an exact need, come relatively cheap to the cap, and still have upside.

It's not as simple as slapping a barcode on a player and paying a predetermined price. Gorton seems to have leverage and he's using it.

 

[Fitzy]

I still don't know what to make of Buch. I can see him having a Vinny Prospal career averaging 55 points with a couple outlier seasons. I can also see him back in the KHL after his next contract

In my eyes he's the perfect 'compliment' player to a top line with big possession players. He doesn't have to do as much dirty work but he finds himself open with a lot more time and space to himself. The Straka to Nylander and Jagr. I'm excited to see what he could potentially do paired with Kakko.

 

[RangerBoy]

The Rangers spent a lot of time looking at the Avs last season. They were all over the AHL team too.

 

[Ken Lund]

Yah I’m here

No, you died in 1966.
Your imposter/replacement is here.

 

[Savant]

I think that would point to the Ranhers aggressively pursuing Panarin. Your top 6 wingers next season would likely be Panarin, Kravstov, Kaako and Chytil.

Assuming they move Kreider as well.

Sure but even so that's putting a lot of chips on the table that Panarin is coming. A lot of minutes on the youth too, but I guess a lot also depends on what the expectations for the team is. Either way they have to integrate a lot of new talent

 

[Jaromir Jagr]

Well that I understand. Not wanting him for that extra year. I might be off with Shattenkirk getting 5 years at 6m. But he will get more than 2 years. And he will get more than 3.5m per.

Teams might rather pay a little extra money and term to avoid giving up assets.

Pavel frustrates me and his value took a spike up after the deadline . Sell high

You need to have a little patience. Players don't develop overnight. In fact, I find it interesting that Kreider doesn't frustrate you but Pavel does. Kreider was and has been one of the most frustrating Rangers in recent memory.

Not only now, but when he began. His beginning was much less smooth than Buch's. And I think Buch, at his age, still has a better chance of reaching expectations whereas Kreider does not.

Buch is going through struggles, but that should be expected. He is young, he played his whole life on other rinks, he has gone through 2 coaching changes. He began to find his stride in the second half of next year. You think that's an anomaly, I think it's a sign of things to come.

 

[Raspewtin]

Really don’t like the Avs as trading partners, none of their realistic assets are interesting at all.

 

[Blue Blooded]

Since we didn't qualify Claesson does that mean he's a goner?

100%

Sometimes you don't qualify a player because you want to sign him at a lesser amount than the QO, but considering that Claesson's QO was 735k and that league minimum for 2019-20 is 700k there is no chance that is what they are going for.

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

No, you died in 1966.
Your imposter/replacement is here.

I buried Paul..

 

[Jaromir Jagr]

100%

Sometimes you don't qualify a player because you want to sign him at a lesser amount than the QO, but considering that Claesson's QO was 735k and that league minimum for 2019-20 is 700k there is no chance that is what they are going for.

So Halverson and Claesson are goners then.

 

[Fitzy]

Sure but even so that's putting a lot of chips on the table that Panarin is coming. A lot of minutes on the youth too, but I guess a lot also depends on what the expectations for the team is. Either way they have to integrate a lot of new talent

It really does. I hope they don't pull a Marcus Naslund and just sign a lesser replacement if he doesn't sign.

 

[Crease]

The Rangers spent a lot of time looking at the Avs last season. They were all over the AHL team too.

Hoping the Rangers pull a Brassard for Zibanejad type trade with Kreider.

 

[cheech70]

Teams might rather pay a little extra money and term to avoid giving up assets.



You need to have a little patience. Players don't develop overnight. In fact, I find it interesting that Kreider doesn't frustrate you but Pavel does. Kreider was and has been one of the most frustrating Rangers in recent memory.

Not only now, but when he began. His beginning was much less smooth than Buch's. And I think Buch, at his age, still has a better chance of reaching expectations whereas Kreider does not.

Buch is going through struggles, but that should be expected. He is young, he played his whole life on other rinks, he has gone through 2 coaching changes. He began to find his stride in the second half of next year. You think that's an anomaly, I think it's a sign of things to come.

Kreider is frustrating also and I would like to move on from him also. Buch comes down to line assignment. He needs to be a top 6 player. His inconsistency is getting old. Sell high.

 

[Jaromir Jagr]

Kreider is frustrating also and I would like to move on from him also. Buch comes down to line assignment. He needs to be a top 6 player. His inconsistency is getting old. Sell high.

If you sold every inconsistent player who was 24, you'd be selling nearly all of them. Including almost everyone on our roster.

 

[MadHookUp]

Teams might rather pay a little extra money and term to avoid giving up assets.

That I also understand, but reports are making it seem like the Rangers cant give him away. Its not like we are hearing, "The Rangers are asking for too much". For the record though, I agree with you. I dont understand/believe reports that no one wants Shattenkirk at 2 years 3.5m. Either the Rangers arent offering to retain 50%, or they are asking for too much in return. But I don't believe they are offering Shattenkirk @ 50% for a 7th round pick and struggling to find a buyer.

 

[Edge]

@Edge What am I missing with Shattenkirk? You know if he gets bought out, someone is going to give him more than 3.5m and 2 years. So assuming the Rangers are willing to eat his contract, how on earth does he have no value? Why would a team rather sign him for 5 years @ 6m, which he would likely get, rather than 3.5m at 2?

Right now I don’t see an offer out there for more than 2 years and $3.5 million.

I think you could see a team out there that could be willing to give him a shot on a one year deal, maybe a second year. But I think the price point is lower, and I don’t know if they see the need to give up an asset in order to do so.

But let’s even say the going rate would be $3 million. That’s a $500k savings in a league where teams are fretting about a $1.5 million difference in the cap. So while on the surface $500k doesn’t seem like a deal breaker, it’s certainly a consideration.

 

[NoQuitInNewMexico]

Really don’t like the Avs as trading partners, none of their realistic assets are interesting at all.

16th pick + Kaut or Jost would be an absolute pipedream imo. But yeah, there's probably a drop to Greer, Meloche and guys like that.

 

[Off Sides]

Is Kreider allowed to talk to these possible trading teams?

I guess I feel like that would make a big difference in his return, if he said he was open to maybe extending there or not, if he gives them an idea of what he'd be looking for.

 

[Raspewtin]

16th pick + Kaut or Jost would be an absolute pipedream imo. But yeah, there's probably a drop to Greer, Meloche and guys like that.

if that's what we'd get back at best I wouldn't even trade Kreider now.

 

[RangerBoy]

Elliotte Friedman is in the background.

 

[Edge]

To be devil's advocate, wouldn't you say Rangers need wingers too?

Yes, but the Rangers also can look at their roster and see Kakko and Kravtsov on the horizon, a potential mix of Chytil and Andersson depending on how things break, and the entertain the possibility of going after a guy should they become available via free agency or trade.

And again, the Rangers are moving Buch because they have to, or even because they necessarily want to. They’re considering it because there’s another area of the team they think they can improve and they’re accepting the risk the proposal represents.

If the Oilers turn them down flat, they move on.

 

[Edge]

I would think to get 8OA in this draft it could cost Kreider AND Butch with maybe a player coming back like Puljujarvi

See, now this is where I think we tend to over value these picks a little.

We’re going to give up 50 goals and 100 points, including a guy who has room to grow, and we’re going to send 2/3 of a first line to the team with a center who is likely the face of the NHL over the next decade?

For the 8th pick and a guy who is struggling to stick in the NHL?

The 8th pick will feature a nice player. But the upside isn’t that extravagant.

 

[MadHookUp]

Right now I don’t see an offer out there for more than 2 years and $3.5 million.

I think you could see a team out there that could be willing to give him a shot on a one year deal, maybe a second year. But I think the price point is lower, and I don’t know if they see the need to give up an asset in order to do so.

But let’s even say the going rate would be $3 million. That’s a $500k savings in a league where teams are fretting about a $1.5 million difference in the cap. So while on the surface $500k doesn’t seem like a deal breaker, it’s certainly a consideration.

Thanks @Edge, I guess I have a warped perception of Shattenkirks value. Personally I thought he played fairly well last season. Last season he had to compete against 2 other Power Play RHD that they want to develop and figure out what they have in Pionk and DeAngelo. Shattenkirk was hardly in a position to succeed. This year is even worse with Fox now in the picture. I dont think there is anything wrong with Shattenkirk. On most teams I think he would be playing as well as he always had.

 

[LORDE]

@Edge do you ever sleep????

I just don’t want this to end like Kramer with you rolled up in a carpet and being tossed into the east river