Roster Building Thread IV (2022-23): Luck of the Irish

[RangerBoy]

The issues with Kane are still there. The hip is an issue. Watch him skate and say with an honest face that the hip isn't an issue. Come on. Why do people make excuses for him? He isn't a longtime Ranger and people have a soft spot for him. Ridiculous. I don't care if Kane is one of the greatest American players to ever play in the NHL. He is a another mercenary playing in New York. Get in line. He skates like he has small pebbles in his skates. NYC has a lot of construction going on. Sometimes I get these little small pebbles in my shoes when I am walking and I have take off my shoe to get rid of the pebbles. The streets are always being torn up. The construction from the buildings being built. He has no acceleration. He avoids contact at all costs. His stops and starts are painful to watch.

The Rangers paid a significant price for him. A 2nd, 3rd and 4th just to acquire him. Not to mention the 2nd becomes a 1st if the Rangers somehow win two playoff rounds with the way they defend in their zone. The Rangers used up all of their available cap space for him. They have played 5 straight games shorthanded to either accrue cap space before the trade and they had no more cap space after the trade. At first I was annoyed at the NHL for not allowing the Rangers to use "roster emergency exception". On second thought, the Rangers deserved what are getting here. Drury had room for one high-profile addition. Drury acquired Tarasenko. Also, the Rangers could/will have performance bonuses from this season on their 23-24 salary cap. The Rangers cap will be tight enough already for next season and it will only get tighter with performance bonuses from Miller, Schneider and Halak. Some people here don't want to talk about next year. The Rangers are a soft finesse team with zero depth. Too many similar players.

Kane had one good week and Drury moved mountains to acquire Kane. The PP set up. Mika in the bumper. People say Gallant needs to figure it. Figure it out how? Gallant will get the blame here when the roster is the issue. Gallant isn't some master strategist but he isn't a bad coach. Good luck with all of the egos.

 

[Vitto79]

So whos the emergency call up ?
Carpenter probably ?

 

[The Gloaming]

This team needs a Tkachuk in the worst way. Keith did is all a disservice by stopping at two.

Yeah they are a rare breed. Skilled and absolute PIA to play against.

Oh well. 30 teams don't have a Tkachuk.

 

[bhamill]

The issues with Kane are still there. The hip is an issue. Watch him skate and say with an honest face that the hip isn't an issue. Come on. Why do people make excuses for him? He isn't a longtime Ranger and people have a soft spot for him. Ridiculous. I don't care if Kane is one of the greatest American players to ever play in the NHL. He is a another mercenary playing in New York. Get in line. He skates like he has small pebbles in his skates. NYC has a lot of construction going on. Sometimes I get these little small pebbles in my shoes when I am walking and I have take off my shoe to get rid of the pebbles. The streets are always being torn up. The construction from the buildings being built. He has no acceleration. He avoids contact at all costs. His stops and starts are painful to watch.

The Rangers paid a significant price for him. A 2nd, 3rd and 4th just to acquire him. Not to mention the 2nd becomes a 1st if the Rangers somehow win two playoff rounds with the way they defend in their zone. The Rangers used up all of their available cap space for him. They have played 5 straight games shorthanded to either accrue cap space before the trade and they had no more cap space after the trade. At first I was annoyed at the NHL for not allowing the Rangers to use "roster emergency exception". On second thought, the Rangers deserved what are getting here. Drury had room for one high-profile addition. Drury acquired Tarasenko. Also, the Rangers could/will have performance bonuses from this season on their 23-24 salary cap. The Rangers cap will be tight enough already for next season and it will only get tighter with performance bonuses from Miller, Schneider and Halak. Some people here don't want to talk about next year. The Rangers are a soft finesse team with zero depth. Too many similar players.

Kane had one good week and Drury moved mountains to acquire Kane. The PP set up. Mika in the bumper. People say Gallant needs to figure it. Figure it out how? Gallant will get the blame here when the roster is the issue. Gallant isn't some master strategist but he isn't a bad coach. Good luck with all of the egos.

Optimistic huh? Hahaha. You’re entitled to your view, except the no depth part, they pretty much have the deepest forward corps around.
Agree the hip is still bothering Kane, but he can play through it somewhat when motivated. Look at the games he played for Chi while “auditioning” for the NYR. I think with familiarity of the system/ teammates he comes up a notch, and then turns it up another for the playoffs. I was against acquiring Kane. But at the cost I understand how Drury had to do it.
As far as next year, I can see the NYR signing Kane to a team friendly deal. As noted his hip needs work, I can also see the NYR encouraging off season surgery and then having him on LTIR for the majority of the regular season, bring him back in time to get up to speed for the playoffs. That’s a legit use of LTIR.

 

[Dijock94]

How do we make it possible to resign all of our RFAs

Chytil
Lafreniere
Miller

Do Miller and Laf get a two year bridge?

Also can we sign Kane say 1 year at like 4 million and start him on LTIR post surgery and accumulate enough cap space to add him half way through the season?

 

[Daves a mess]

The issues with Kane are still there. The hip is an issue. Watch him skate and say with an honest face that the hip isn't an issue. Come on. Why do people make excuses for him? He isn't a longtime Ranger and people have a soft spot for him. Ridiculous. I don't care if Kane is one of the greatest American players to ever play in the NHL. He is a another mercenary playing in New York. Get in line. He skates like he has small pebbles in his skates. NYC has a lot of construction going on. Sometimes I get these little small pebbles in my shoes when I am walking and I have take off my shoe to get rid of the pebbles. The streets are always being torn up. The construction from the buildings being built. He has no acceleration. He avoids contact at all costs. His stops and starts are painful to watch.

The Rangers paid a significant price for him. A 2nd, 3rd and 4th just to acquire him. Not to mention the 2nd becomes a 1st if the Rangers somehow win two playoff rounds with the way they defend in their zone. The Rangers used up all of their available cap space for him. They have played 5 straight games shorthanded to either accrue cap space before the trade and they had no more cap space after the trade. At first I was annoyed at the NHL for not allowing the Rangers to use "roster emergency exception". On second thought, the Rangers deserved what are getting here. Drury had room for one high-profile addition. Drury acquired Tarasenko. Also, the Rangers could/will have performance bonuses from this season on their 23-24 salary cap. The Rangers cap will be tight enough already for next season and it will only get tighter with performance bonuses from Miller, Schneider and Halak. Some people here don't want to talk about next year. The Rangers are a soft finesse team with zero depth. Too many similar players.

Kane had one good week and Drury moved mountains to acquire Kane. The PP set up. Mika in the bumper. People say Gallant needs to figure it. Figure it out how? Gallant will get the blame here when the roster is the issue. Gallant isn't some master strategist but he isn't a bad coach. Good luck with all of the egos.

Agree with all.

Can't imagine how anyone believes saucer passes from dot to dot and over commitments on 60/40 puck retrievals aren't going to kill this team.
Also..

Hope the Rangers are feeling the slight breeze from teams behind them on their collars. One of them is going to come HARD.

Shestys blocker side looks suspect.

KAM cost this team points with his low rent, puss move.

Goodrow needs to step his game up. I am a fan of his, but he has been a non factor for 20 games now.

Lindgren can't get back fast enough. Glue guy.

Who is going to play right wing on the Rangers next year?

Thank god they kept one 2023 1st.

I hope the Devils pass the Canes. I'd rather play them. Been watching tons of NJ games. They are REALLY good.

Bruins in the first round would be a franchise humiliation. Load up for a 5 game ( at best) thumping.

 

[jerseyjinx94]

How do we make it possible to resign all of our RFAs

Chytil
Lafreniere
Miller

Do Miller and Laf get a two year bridge?

Also can we sign Kane say 1 year at like 4 million and start him on LTIR post surgery and accumulate enough cap space to add him half way through the season?

They can make it work by allocating 11-12 million to those 3, but they don’t have much room to add otherwise without moving Goodrow or some other salary

 

[MrAlmost]

While they may not be Tkachuks and may not have the offense, the Rangers do have some piss and vinegar both on Hartford and abroad.

Othmann
Cuylle
Rempe
Edstrom
Barbashev
Sykora
Berard

Drury is still largely playing with Gorton's deck so to speak. Things will change soon enough. That's why I am a big fan of Trocheck and I don't think Goodrow is being traded. Also, Motte could get an extension. He is probably looking at a pay cut in general. 2 year at 1 or 1.1 per might get it done for the security purpose.

 

[CLW]

Going all in at the deadline with two big name additions was pure folly. Like I said previously, Tarasenko was quiet the first few games so the FO thought they had a lemon. They panicked and went for Kane too, who thus far is worse than Tarasenko ever was.

Now we're stuck with too many soft, skill players and not enough minutes in a game to make best use of them.

Getting stuck in the Kane+Panarin are aWeSOmE! thinking really won't work. Panarin is forcing the puck to Kane every time he touches the ice. Split them up ASAP.

I'd keep the kids together. Get Kane off PP1 and let Zibby do what he does best. As it is, I'd sooner not see Kane get PP time at all until he proves he's healthy and settled. Give him (and Panarin) short leashes, like they do with the kids.

Give Panarin and Kane a short leash. Haha.

That's not a dig at you but Gallant et al can't help themselves it's not in their hockey DNA.

 

[CLW]

Here's the potential scenarios.

This team flops and Turk gets canned, plenty of responsibility there.

This team flops and Drury gets canned, he took a team the team a few steps backwards back to the Pre Wilson incident.

This team flops with Panarin's friends and we trade Panarin and retool. Makes for plenty of Cap room for Miller chytil and someone better in thr trenches.

One or two of Kreider, Goodrow, Trouba get moved - cap reality

One of chytil, kakko, Laf get moved - classic Dark time Rangers move

Management had a strategy then threw it out the window on a starstruck whim.

 

[HFsNumber1Heel]

While they may not be Tkachuks and may not have the offense, the Rangers do have some piss and vinegar both on Hartford and abroad.

Othmann
Cuylle
Rempe
Edstrom
Barbashev
Sykora
Berard

Drury I still largely playing with Gorton's deck so to speak. Things will change soon enough. That's why I am a big fan of Trocheck and I don't think Goodrow is being traded. Also, Motte could get an extension. He is probably looking at a pay cut in general. 2 year at 1 or 1.1 per might get it done for the security purpose.

Yeah, I've been saying it all season. Due to cap issues, the Rangers are going to pretty much have to play guys on ELCs this fall, and luckily a lot are more aggressive players.

@RangerBoy , unless Othmann and Cullye spend the offseason drinking beer and on the Brendan Smith Summer 2017 training regime, they have roster spots waiting.

Edstrom will be 23 in October. Man strength. He's already a great skater and plays in a league that preaches defense. He has a very good shot to make the club.

They're also going to need to look into the bargain bin and find a Fedotenko or John Mitchell type. The modern NHL has a lot more of those cases. Look what Washington did with Gustafson.

Matt Nieto is a good option to finally bring to Broadway....although watch Hextall sign him just to spite me.

 

[Leonardo87]

If Gallant benched Panarin and Kane if they continue to struggle (I mean it’s been only 2 games, lol) , the media would have a field day. This place would also be fun as well .

There should be some accountability just don’t know when Gallant should implement it.

 

[Avery16]

@RangerBoy , unless Othmann and Cullye spend the offseason drinking beer and on the Brendan Smith Summer 2017 training regime, they have roster spots waiting.

Can’t wait until we hire Smith as development coach.

 

[CTRanger]

The issues with Kane are still there. The hip is an issue. Watch him skate and say with an honest face that the hip isn't an issue. Come on. Why do people make excuses for him? He isn't a longtime Ranger and people have a soft spot for him. Ridiculous. I don't care if Kane is one of the greatest American players to ever play in the NHL. He is a another mercenary playing in New York. Get in line. He skates like he has small pebbles in his skates. NYC has a lot of construction going on. Sometimes I get these little small pebbles in my shoes when I am walking and I have take off my shoe to get rid of the pebbles. The streets are always being torn up. The construction from the buildings being built. He has no acceleration. He avoids contact at all costs. His stops and starts are painful to watch.

The Rangers paid a significant price for him. A 2nd, 3rd and 4th just to acquire him. Not to mention the 2nd becomes a 1st if the Rangers somehow win two playoff rounds with the way they defend in their zone. The Rangers used up all of their available cap space for him. They have played 5 straight games shorthanded to either accrue cap space before the trade and they had no more cap space after the trade. At first I was annoyed at the NHL for not allowing the Rangers to use "roster emergency exception". On second thought, the Rangers deserved what are getting here. Drury had room for one high-profile addition. Drury acquired Tarasenko. Also, the Rangers could/will have performance bonuses from this season on their 23-24 salary cap. The Rangers cap will be tight enough already for next season and it will only get tighter with performance bonuses from Miller, Schneider and Halak. Some people here don't want to talk about next year. The Rangers are a soft finesse team with zero depth. Too many similar players.

Kane had one good week and Drury moved mountains to acquire Kane. The PP set up. Mika in the bumper. People say Gallant needs to figure it. Figure it out how? Gallant will get the blame here when the roster is the issue. Gallant isn't some master strategist but he isn't a bad coach. Good luck with all of the egos.

Don’t worry that 2nd won’t become a 1st. This team isn’t built for playoff hockey. We are terrible at controlling the front of the net and managing the puck in the D zone. We are allergic to putting pucks on net and getting dirty in front, always need to make the fancy play. Getting to the conference final would be a minor miracle at this point. And that would be just for the chance to play Boston in all probability.

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

Yeah, I've been saying it all season. Due to cap issues, the Rangers are going to pretty much have to play guys on ELCs this fall, and luckily a lot are more aggressive players.

@RangerBoy , unless Othmann and Cullye spend the offseason drinking beer and on the Brendan Smith Summer 2017 training regime, they have roster spots waiting.

Edstrom will be 23 in October. Man strength. He's already a great skater and plays in a league that preaches defense. He has a very good shot to make the club.

They're also going to need to look into the bargain bin and find a Fedotenko or John Mitchell type. The modern NHL has a lot more of those cases. Look what Washington did with Gustafson.

Matt Nieto is a good option to finally bring to Broadway....although watch Hextall sign him just to spite me.

I’ve seen Edstrom listed as a C in some places if I remember correctly, is that the case? If so, great

If we have to sacrifice Goodrow at the altar of getting Kane on a discount I think it happens. I also believe we can sign Motte cheaply if we give him some term.

Kids
Panarin Trocheck Kane
Krieder Mika Vesey/Othmann
Motte Edstrom/ Brodz, or cheap vet FA Cuylle/Vesey

 

[NikC]

The issues with Kane are still there. The hip is an issue. Watch him skate and say with an honest face that the hip isn't an issue. Come on. Why do people make excuses for him? He isn't a longtime Ranger and people have a soft spot for him. Ridiculous. I don't care if Kane is one of the greatest American players to ever play in the NHL. He is a another mercenary playing in New York. Get in line. He skates like he has small pebbles in his skates. NYC has a lot of construction going on. Sometimes I get these little small pebbles in my shoes when I am walking and I have take off my shoe to get rid of the pebbles. The streets are always being torn up. The construction from the buildings being built. He has no acceleration. He avoids contact at all costs. His stops and starts are painful to watch.

The Rangers paid a significant price for him. A 2nd, 3rd and 4th just to acquire him. Not to mention the 2nd becomes a 1st if the Rangers somehow win two playoff rounds with the way they defend in their zone. The Rangers used up all of their available cap space for him. They have played 5 straight games shorthanded to either accrue cap space before the trade and they had no more cap space after the trade. At first I was annoyed at the NHL for not allowing the Rangers to use "roster emergency exception". On second thought, the Rangers deserved what are getting here. Drury had room for one high-profile addition. Drury acquired Tarasenko. Also, the Rangers could/will have performance bonuses from this season on their 23-24 salary cap. The Rangers cap will be tight enough already for next season and it will only get tighter with performance bonuses from Miller, Schneider and Halak. Some people here don't want to talk about next year. The Rangers are a soft finesse team with zero depth. Too many similar players.

Kane had one good week and Drury moved mountains to acquire Kane. The PP set up. Mika in the bumper. People say Gallant needs to figure it. Figure it out how? Gallant will get the blame here when the roster is the issue. Gallant isn't some master strategist but he isn't a bad coach. Good luck with all of the egos.

You hated this trade before Kane even stepped foot on the ice... I'm sure you couldn't wait to write this hit piece. Every Ranger fan I know, is accusing me of making excuses for Kane, the team, etc. I am! I am giving them the benefit of the doubt until they get back both defensemen, along with the often-injured Motte.

They just came off a bad stretch of hockey, going into new acquisitions, injuries, suspensions, and trade rumours... so yes, this really is the worst time to give an UNBIASED ASSESMENT.

No one can ever accuse you of that.

Regarding your pebble analysis:

 

[Avery16]

Our success in the playoffs will be determined by whether Kreider, Shesty, Panarin and Kane will wake up in time for them.

 

[EdJovanovski]

So whos the emergency call up ?
Carpenter probably ?

We can only afford a guy from the stands

 

[HFsNumber1Heel]

I’ve seen Edstrom listed as a C in some places if I remember correctly, is that the case? If so, great

If we have to sacrifice Goodrow at the altar of getting Kane on a discount I think it happens. I also believe we can sign Motte cheaply if we give him some term.

Kids
Panarin Trocheck Kane
Krieder Mika Vesey/Othmann
Motte Edstrom/ Brodz, or cheap vet FA Cuylle/Vesey

Goodrow is gone this summer probably for mid-round picks.

If Kane continues his Eric Staal trajectory he's on his way to Buffalo or a contender with cap room like Colorado this summer in order to go for one more Cup.

Next years forwards to start the year are probably something like:

10 guaranteed: Ziba, Kreider, Trochek, Panarin, Chytil, Kaako, Laf, Vesey, Cullye, Othmann

1 most likely: Edstrom

2 open spots: If Motte comes back for cheap, I'd say he's there. Very injury prone though. One is going to be for a bargain bin older UFA, and the other for either Leshychyn (unfortunately), Blidh, or a younger player in a Kravstov situation like LAs 800 center prospects. Tarasenko could come back if he takes a pay cut.

I think most of the money not tied to the RFAs is going to a depth DMan to rotate with Harpur.

 

[Deleted member 23124]

Goodrow is gone this summer probably for mid-round picks.

If Kane continues his Eric Staal trajectory he's on his way to Buffalo or a contender with cap room like Colorado this summer in order to go for one more Cup.

Next years forwards to start the year are probably something like:

10 guaranteed: Ziba, Kreider, Trochek, Panarin, Chytil, Kaako, Laf, Vesey, Cullye, Othmann

1 most likely: Edstrom

2 open spots: If Motte comes back for cheap, I'd say he's there. Very injury prone though. One is going to be for a bargain bin older UFA, and the other for either Leshychyn (unfortunately), Blidh, or a younger player in a Kravstov situation like LAs 800 center prospects. Tarasenko could come back if he takes a pay cut.

I think most of the money not tied to the RFAs is going to a depth DMan to rotate with Harpur.

We also need another backup goalie.

 

[Deleted member 23124]

If Gallant benched Panarin and Kane if they continue to struggle (I mean it’s been only 2 games, lol) , the media would have a field day. This place would also be fun as well .

There should be some accountability just don’t know when Gallant should implement it.

Let's not forget that The Dolt would probably have a coronary -- although that's one way of getting a new owner.

 

[zlev]

Panarin was playing great until he got stapled to Patrick Leschyshyn

 

[Boris Zubov]

Our success in the playoffs will be determined by whether Kreider, Shesty, Panarin and Kane will wake up in time for them.

Not getting talked about enough because of recent events is how average Fox & Zibanejad have been. Fox in particular.

 

[HFsNumber1Heel]

We also need another backup goalie.

Halak might come back. Rittich, one of the Vegas goalies, or even Talbot are options.

If Quick had anything left in the tank, it would be a nice story to end his career for the team he rooted for, but he's cooked.

It's only going to be another one year deal because Garand could get a cup of coffee as soon as next season.

So whos the emergency call up ?
Carpenter probably ?

Should be Cullye or Robertson. If Motte is out for any length of time, Cullye should be playing the post-deadline 2007 Ryan Callahan role.

 

[Avery16]

Not getting talked about enough because of recent events is how average Fox & Zibanejad have been. Fox in particular.

Even at average, Zib and Fox bring more than the completely absent Kreider, Kane and Panarin.

We also need another backup goalie.

I hope Halak wants to return, but Greiss will leave St. Louis.